Is the Holy Spirit showing us God can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time (Omnipresent|Omniscient)?

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This about what you just said :

"The price of God becoming Man was temporarily disconnecting from the Holy Spirit until Baptism"


Does the word of God support such a claim? I would argue that the Holy Spirit was completely connected to the Birth of Jesus and never was a time HE was not with Jesus.

1 The Holy Spirit was there at the incarnation and conception of Jesus
2. The Holy Spirit was with HIm in HIS youth as they were all astonished at his ability to teach and know the word of God at 12
3. The Holy Spirit was present as the baptism of Jesus and the Voice of the Father who said this is my Son whom I am well pleased.
God the Father was not saying NOW Jesus is my Son God the Father was Signifying This is my ONLY SON which means Jesus is eternal.
Do you only read posts that are a direct reply to you?

Why does 2. mean the Holy Spirit was with Him? Pretty sure Christ would know some things.

You're not getting that the Holy Spirit was withheld on purpose until a specific date.
 

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Do you only read posts that are a direct reply to you?

Why does 2. mean the Holy Spirit was with Him? Pretty sure Christ would know some things.

You're not getting that the Holy Spirit was withheld on purpose until a specific date.

Jesus's Ministry started after He was Baptized and as recorded By John

John1:32
And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him."

The Holy Spirit comes into the person as The Gospel of John says in chapter 14 -16

And the Holy Spirit comes upon a person to empower them.

Jesus did everything by the Holy Spirit directly from God the Father HE did HIS will not his own. The Holy Spirit who knows the mind of God was clearly with Jesus during HIS Ministry.

It was not yet HIS time But that did not mean HE was not able to do it. Jesus willfully submitted HIS authority yet HE always had the power to take it back.
 
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This about what you just said :

"The price of God becoming Man was temporarily disconnecting from the Holy Spirit until Baptism"


Does the word of God support such a claim? I would argue that the Holy Spirit was completely connected to the Birth of Jesus and never was a time HE was not with Jesus.

1 The Holy Spirit was there at the incarnation and conception of Jesus
2. The Holy Spirit was with HIm in HIS youth as they were all astonished at his ability to teach and know the word of God at 12
3. The Holy Spirit was present as the baptism of Jesus and the Voice of the Father who said this is my Son whom I am well pleased.
God the Father was not saying NOW Jesus is my Son God the Father was Signifying This is my ONLY SON which means Jesus is eternal.
Did Jesus rely on the Father and Holy Spirit while He was Human? Could there be a difference between the Holy Spirit being there, but not being in Jesus until Baptism?
 

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Do you only read posts that are a direct reply to you?

Why does 2. mean the Holy Spirit was with Him? Pretty sure Christ would know some things.

You're not getting that the Holy Spirit was withheld on purpose until a specific date.
IF you think Jesus at 12 was able to tell those theologians something and not under the Holy Spirit, well that is you.
 

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Did Jesus rely on the Father and Holy Spirit while He was Human? Could there be a difference between the Holy Spirit being there, but not being in Jesus until Baptism?
I explained that already

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Jesus's Ministry started after He was Baptized and as recorded By John

John1:32
And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him."

The Holy Spirit comes into the person as The Gospel of John says in chapter 14 -16

And the Holy Spirit comes upon a person to empower them.

Jesus did everything by the Holy Spirit directly from God the Father HE did HIS will not his own. The Holy Spirit who knows the mind of God was clearly with Jesus during HIS Ministry.

It was not yet HIS time But that did not mean HE was not able to do it. Jesus willfully submitted HIS authority yet HE always had the power to take it back.
You seem to be missing what I'm saying ..The Baptism is the DATE I'm screaming.
 
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IF you think Jesus at 12 was able to tell those theologians something and not under the Holy Spirit, well that is you.
I'm must be crazy to think the Spirit of Christ would know Jewish history.
 

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I'm must be crazy to think the Spirit of Christ would know Jewish history.
I guess the disconnect is two-fold because I am not trying to suggest anything other than Jesus as a Child Had the Holy Spirit with HIm and the Spirit of Christ which is to the Holy Spirit yet the distinction is there in the word of God as in the Godhead.
 

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This about what you just said :

"The price of God becoming Man was temporarily disconnecting from the Holy Spirit until Baptism"


Does the word of God support such a claim? I would argue that the Holy Spirit was completely connected to the Birth of Jesus and never was a time HE was not with Jesus.

1 The Holy Spirit was there at the incarnation and conception of Jesus
2. The Holy Spirit was with HIm in HIS youth as they were all astonished at his ability to teach and know the word of God at 12
3. The Holy Spirit was present as the baptism of Jesus and the Voice of the Father who said this is my Son whom I am well pleased.
God the Father was not saying NOW Jesus is my Son God the Father was Signifying This is my ONLY SON which means Jesus is eternal.
Jesus is God expressed in our form so we can know him . the term son comes in because he was born of the promises he made priorly

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

...Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭


He is the Christ, God in the form of a man who laid down that life for us and was glorified again in heaven as he was always in the beginning being God himself the son was manifest for our salvation and knowledge of him

eternal is Jesus our lord indeed he said let there be light , and light began to shine before the world was he is our creator who did this to save us

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( son of man ) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-15, 17KJV‬‬

he needed to become a man because there was no man who was worthy to be a high priest and intercede for the people , this displeased the lord so he became one of us to provide us that reconciliation we needed but no one could do because we all became sinners

Which produces the gospel of our salvation the son of God making himself known to man

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.

..So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.

When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.

And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God literally became a man because there was no man to intercede for us laid down his life and was receive into glory not for fun but because there was no salvation for man otherwise no
Man was worthy to interced for man as had been with men like Moses and Daniel , Noah , and all the prophets no one was left worthy so God became flesh. In the glory of his son so we can know the unknowable


“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

..And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Jesus is God expressed in our form so we can know him . the term son comes in because he was born of the promises he made priorly

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

...Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭


He is the Christ, God in the form of a man who laid down that life for us and was glorified again in heaven as he was always in the beginning being God himself the son was manifest for our salvation and knowledge of him

eternal is Jesus our lord indeed he said let there be light , and light began to shine before the world was he is our creator who did this to save us

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( son of man ) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-15, 17KJV‬‬

he needed to become a man because there was no man who was worthy to be a high priest and intercede for the people , this displeased the lord so he became one of us to provide us that reconciliation we needed but no one could do because we all became sinners

Which produces the gospel of our salvation the son of God making himself known to man

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.

..So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.

When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.

And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God literally became a man because there was no man to intercede for us laid down his life and was receive into glory not for fun but because there was no salvation for man otherwise no
Man was worthy to interced for man as had been with men like Moses and Daniel , Noah , and all the prophets no one was left worthy so God became flesh. In the glory of his son so we can know the unknowable


“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

..And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Why do you write this as if God didn't know from the beginning He was going to be injecting Himself into this reality to save us?
 
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Did Jesus rely on The Father and Holy Spirit while He was a man? Could the Spirit of Christ in Jesus have been what was fully God? Jesus had to be born a Man to do what He was here to do ..otherwise He could have just shown up here.

Could The Holy Spirit have been with Jesus before Baptism, but not entangled with Christ's Spirit until the event?

Or the opposite?

Was Christ's Spirit always entangled with the Holy Spirit, but Baptism entangled the Holy Spirit to the physical human body of Jesus?

Pretty sure God is a Spirit. A God Spirit in a man is complicated. The Baptism was not for show.
 
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Jesus is God expressed in our form so we can know him . the term son comes in because he was born of the promises he made priorly

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

...Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭


He is the Christ, God in the form of a man who laid down that life for us and was glorified again in heaven as he was always in the beginning being God himself the son was manifest for our salvation and knowledge of him

eternal is Jesus our lord indeed he said let there be light , and light began to shine before the world was he is our creator who did this to save us

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;

that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( son of man ) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-15, 17KJV‬‬

he needed to become a man because there was no man who was worthy to be a high priest and intercede for the people , this displeased the lord so he became one of us to provide us that reconciliation we needed but no one could do because we all became sinners

Which produces the gospel of our salvation the son of God making himself known to man

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.

..So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun.

When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.

And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God literally became a man because there was no man to intercede for us laid down his life and was receive into glory not for fun but because there was no salvation for man otherwise no
Man was worthy to interced for man as had been with men like Moses and Daniel , Noah , and all the prophets no one was left worthy so God became flesh. In the glory of his son so we can know the unknowable


“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

..And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
I think Christ had to become Man with His own Spirit. That makes a Man worthy of the ultimate sacrifice. It wasn't necessary for the physical body that Christ's Spirit was in to be particularly special at birth. The Baptism made it ready for what He was here to do.
 
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The reason we can't see God the Father is because He is in a higher dimension than what we can perceive. Christ is His representation for these lower dimensions. The plan and design are handed to Christ and He makes them happen with the Word.

So how does the Holy Spirit fit in? I get the Holy Spirit is in us, but I think the Spirit may be more involved than that. Like connected to matter and waves. Or maybe something to do with Time. Did the Holy Spirit take the Word from Christ and turn it into what we have right now?

Is the Holy Spirit known for Power and Love? Is the Holy Spirit about mind and heart?

Is the Holy Spirit the Universal Wave and Universal Observer? Does the Holy Spirit cause wave collapse/physicality?

The Holy Spirit creator:​
30 Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30 KJV)​
The Triune God, the one that spoke and commanded, the Word/Son of God made the universe and by the Holy Spirit (breath of God) too:​
6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.​
(Psalm 33:6-9 KJV)​
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.​
(Genesis 1:1-3 KJV)​

Does the Holy Spirit originate from more dimensions than we can perceive like the Father?

We know the Holy Spirit to be: Comforter, the source of all things, light, hope, peace, true Godly Love, forgiveness mercy and truth.​

If Love is Entanglement, then The Holy Spirit is partially the Quantum Fields. An Universal Observer would be using the Quantum Fields.

2 Corinthians 4:18​
For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.​

Quantum Waves are not seen. There is an entire side to our reality that is virtual ..unseen.

Is there something to the Holy Spirit being a Ghost in the virtual side of reality?

Is there a preexisting network for the Holy Spirit to traverse? In Quantum Mechanics it is called all possible paths. It is basically the Electromagnetic vector field ..what Light uses to propagate. I don't think it is a coincidence that we describe God as Light. I think this networks is directly tied to omnipresence.

The Ghost has the option to be everywhere at the same time if the Spirit wants. That's what all possible paths of the Electromagnetic vector field are about.

I don't know why I wasn't considering the Holy Ghost to be an actual Ghost. This one is extremely special.

Doesn't omnipresence sound like something the Holy Spirit would handle? A part of Him to report to God the Father who in another dimension?
What a lot of rubbish !!!! What were you smoking when you came up with this? Did you EVER read the Bible??

The BIBLE says the Holy Spirit bears witness to God within us. It is given when a person surrenders to the will of God and repents of their SINs and wickedness.

No one who has refused to surrender to the will of God is blessed with its presence. NO ONE.

The BIBLE says the Holy Spirit glorifies the Name of God - always. It does not bear witness to anything else and it does not teach anything but Bible based knowledge.

Jesus taught the Holy Spirit is evidence of the Kingdom of God within us. Therefore He spoke truly when He said to His disciples that no one would die until they saw the Kingdom of God arrive. In truth it arrived less than two months after Jesus' ascension into heaven - on the day gentiles call Pentacost.

The BIBLE says the Holy Spirit is evidence or a guarantee of immortal life.
The BIBLE says the Holy Spirit will teach us God's LAW that we may live by it and please Our Father in heaven.

Christians today stupidly reject God's LAW for reasons only the devil knows for sure. GRACE and LAW are two aspects of the same salvation afforded to us by Almighty God.

Do you not know that the Jewish festival of Shavout, which observes the time God gave the LAW to Moses, and the gentile festival of Pentacost, which observes the issuance of GRACE are on the same calendar day? Is this a coincidence or is God saying something significant.

READ THE BIBLE.

Are these matters not much superior than science fiction fantasy and otherwise obvious notions? They are. Let is dispense with childish ideas and embrace the truth and wonder the Holy Spirit bring to us.

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I think Christ had to become Man with His own Spirit. That makes a Man worthy of the ultimate sacrifice. It wasn't necessary for the physical body that Christ's Spirit was in to be particularly special at birth. The Baptism made it ready for what He was here to do.
NOT ONLY WAS IT NECESSARY IT WAS THE LAW.

Have you not read the BIBLE? Forgiveness and salvation depend upon the shedding of BLOOD. Nothing more and nothing less.

Christ HAD TO BE special at birth. Christ had to be an immortal man, else His death upon the cross would have as little meaning as the words you write. Baptism of Jesus by John was symbolic of the special anointing of the Father upon the Son. Have you not read the account? It was a special revelation for a special individual. It MEANT that Jesus was anointed of God for the task He undertook. That task required BLOOD. It required Jesus' DEATH. Only Jesus could do it because only God could fulfill the requirement of the LAW perfectly. Read the Bible.

No one can be saved apart from the LAW.

Do you know what anointing means? Only three types of persons were anointed of God in the Bible; priests, prophets and kings. Jesus was anointed as all three - hence His title of ha-mashiach. The Hebrew word means anointed as does the more vulgar Latin term Christ.

Read the account of Jesus' baptism in the gospels. This account is unique in that it is the ONLY TIME the Bible records the presence of all three aspects of God happening at the same time in the same place. God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and God the Son were all present on that day at that particular time. Baptism of Jesus = anointing.

You confuse the religious act of baptism with the divine act. The religious act only signifies membership in a church. Its original meaning established by John the immerser was of repentance for SIN complete with a desire to be reborn unto a life that lives at God's pleasure BY THE LAW. Christians today reject the LAW as well as all notions of repentance for SIN. In fact, quite a few of these Biblically illiterate types even reject the idea of SIN in their life.

How about reading the BIBLE?

Try it. You might learn something.

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What a lot of rubbish !!!! What were you smoking when you came up with this? Did you EVER read the Bible??

The BIBLE says the Holy Spirit bears witness to God within us. It is given when a person surrenders to the will of God and repents of their SINs and wickedness.

No one who has refused to surrender to the will of God is blessed with its presence. NO ONE.

The BIBLE says the Holy Spirit glorifies the Name of God - always. It does not bear witness to anything else and it does not teach anything but Bible based knowledge.

Jesus taught the Holy Spirit is evidence of the Kingdom of God within us. Therefore He spoke truly when He said to His disciples that no one would die until they saw the Kingdom of God arrive. In truth it arrived less than two months after Jesus' ascension into heaven - on the day gentiles call Pentacost.

The BIBLE says the Holy Spirit is evidence or a guarantee of immortal life.
The BIBLE says the Holy Spirit will teach us God's LAW that we may live by it and please Our Father in heaven.

Christians today stupidly reject God's LAW for reasons only the devil knows for sure. GRACE and LAW are two aspects of the same salvation afforded to us by Almighty God.

Do you not know that the Jewish festival of Shavout, which observes the time God gave the LAW to Moses, and the gentile festival of Pentacost, which observes the issuance of GRACE are on the same calendar day? Is this a coincidence or is God saying something significant.

READ THE BIBLE.

Are these matters not much superior than science fiction fantasy and otherwise obvious notions? They are. Let is dispense with childish ideas and embrace the truth and wonder the Holy Spirit bring to us.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
The Kingdom inside us is Quantum Entanglement, I'm sorry you can't handle Science pointing to God.
 
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NOT ONLY WAS IT NECESSARY IT WAS THE LAW.

Have you not read the BIBLE? Forgiveness and salvation depend upon the shedding of BLOOD. Nothing more and nothing less.

Christ HAD TO BE special at birth. Christ had to be an immortal man, else His death upon the cross would have as little meaning as the words you write. Baptism of Jesus by John was symbolic of the special anointing of the Father upon the Son. Have you not read the account? It was a special revelation for a special individual. It MEANT that Jesus was anointed of God for the task He undertook. That task required BLOOD. It required Jesus' DEATH. Only Jesus could do it because only God could fulfill the requirement of the LAW perfectly. Read the Bible.

No one can be saved apart from the LAW.

Do you know what anointing means? Only three types of persons were anointed of God in the Bible; priests, prophets and kings. Jesus was anointed as all three - hence His title of ha-mashiach. The Hebrew word means anointed as does the more vulgar Latin term Christ.

Read the account of Jesus' baptism in the gospels. This account is unique in that it is the ONLY TIME the Bible records the presence of all three aspects of God happening at the same time in the same place. God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and God the Son were all present on that day at that particular time. Baptism of Jesus = anointing.

You confuse the religious act of baptism with the divine act. The religious act only signifies membership in a church. Its original meaning established by John the immerser was of repentance for SIN complete with a desire to be reborn unto a life that lives at God's pleasure BY THE LAW. Christians today reject the LAW as well as all notions of repentance for SIN. In fact, quite a few of these Biblically illiterate types even reject the idea of SIN in their life.

How about reading the BIBLE?

Try it. You might learn something.

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Is there a reason Jesus couldn't have become immortal at Baptism? Did He stop aging after Baptism? Baptism was foretold in the Old Testament. It is monumental. It was a key event that needs its own Holiday.
 

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Is there a reason Jesus couldn't have become immortal at Baptism? Did He stop aging after Baptism? Baptism was foretold in the Old Testament. It is monumental. It was a key event that needs its own Holiday.
Are you referring to Jesus body or His Spirit?

Water baptism means nothing in eternity.

For the cause of Christ
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Are you referring to Jesus body or His Spirit?

Water baptism means nothing in eternity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Of course I'm talking about his human body. His Spirit was always infinite.