Is the Holy Spirit showing us God can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time (Omnipresent|Omniscient)?

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Pilgrimshope

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Was Jesus's body Born without pre-Atonement because He needed to represent everyone?
his glorified body already existed beforehand ,

he became flesh like man did in the beginning we went from what God made “ body and spirit “ the image of God ( Jesus Christ )

“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to
Was Jesus's body Born without pre-Atonement because He needed to represent everyone?
Yes exactly he himself is the atonement . he was born under Moses law and it never actually offered atonement it was all based on his sacrifice that Gods foreknowledge spoke forth in the beginning of what he would do in dying for sins when he came in the form of a man

things in prophecy were Gods foreknowledge of what came to pass in the gospel so like when he says stuff like this in prophecy almost a milenium in advance we can believe the gospel and know it for the truth like it’s a sure witness of Jesus and who he is he told us before it came to pass

“And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the Lord bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:5-8, 10-11‬ ‭

that’s a witness of this seven hundred years or more before and this is another witness of the same with further understanding now that Jesus had come and preached the gospel

“ Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

“For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: “

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus became the atonement that did not exist remember that scripture about God looking from heaven and saw no man was worthy and all sinned ? It’s what John reveals also with more understanding more revelation and more time having passed in gods plan

“And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David,

hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22,




when he was a man he was tempted like we are and he never broke even one time. This was necassary because we needed a perfect man to intercede and he didn’t exist so God became what we needed and the form he took was Jesus Christ which was established before the beginning by the foresight of God

“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high plriest after the order of Melchisedec.

Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered,......
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:7-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He needed to become a man and be perfect as a man living as one of us subject to temptation , and overcome to himself be the atonement for mans sin

No Jesus needs no atonement because he has no sin he became the atonement for us even though death had no claim on him
 

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We need to be very careful when we listen to the Holy Spirit. Scripture tells us to test the spirit, and that test is with scripture.

Over the years, there has been much harm done to us in the name of the Holy Spirit. Constantine, back in 322 established a council made up of men to judge the established church. The Holy Spirit was with them, many good things came of that council, but because they did not test with scripture, there were bad things also, like establishing principles against Jews that resulted in terrible legislation against them. They forgot "bless them and I will bless you" as scripture told them.

The Holy Spirit opens our minds to understanding, it is wonderful, but only when we test our minds constantly with scripture. The Holy spirit never contradicts the Lord.
 
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his glorified body already existed beforehand ,

he became flesh like man did in the beginning we went from what God made “ body and spirit “ the image of God ( Jesus Christ )

“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to


Yes exactly he himself is the atonement . he was born under Moses law and it never actually offered atonement it was all based on his sacrifice that Gods foreknowledge spoke forth in the beginning of what he would do in dying for sins when he came in the form of a man

things in prophecy were Gods foreknowledge of what came to pass in the gospel so like when he says stuff like this in prophecy almost a milenium in advance we can believe the gospel and know it for the truth like it’s a sure witness of Jesus and who he is he told us before it came to pass

“And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the Lord bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:5-8, 10-11‬ ‭

that’s a witness of this seven hundred years or more before and this is another witness of the same with further understanding now that Jesus had come and preached the gospel

“ Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

“For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: “

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus became the atonement that did not exist remember that scripture about God looking from heaven and saw no man was worthy and all sinned ? It’s what John reveals also with more understanding more revelation and more time having passed in gods plan

“And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David,

hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22,




when he was a man he was tempted like we are and he never broke even one time. This was necassary because we needed a perfect man to intercede and he didn’t exist so God became what we needed and the form he took was Jesus Christ which was established before the beginning by the foresight of God

“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high plriest after the order of Melchisedec.

Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered,......
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:7-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He needed to become a man and be perfect as a man living as one of us subject to temptation , and overcome to himself be the atonement for mans sin

No Jesus needs no atonement because he has no sin he became the atonement for us even though death had no claim on him
Jesus had to be like us with temptation before announcing that He was the Ultimate High Priest? Was there a difference to Jesus's physical human body before and after Baptism?
 

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Was there a difference to Jesus's physical human body before and after Baptism?
Nope. Jesus went into the water dry and came out wet but He soon dried off in the warm sun.

How about you?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Nope. Jesus went into the water dry and came out wet but He soon dried off in the warm sun.

How about you?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
So it doesn't matter that the sky opened up and a Dove appeared.
 

notuptome

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So it doesn't matter that the sky opened up and a Dove appeared.
It was not for the benefit of Jesus. It was for those who were there to report the singular nature of the event to the rest of the world.

How about you?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Pilgrimshope

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We need to be very careful when we listen to the Holy Spirit. Scripture tells us to test the spirit, and that test is with scripture.

Over the years, there has been much harm done to us in the name of the Holy Spirit. Constantine, back in 322 established a council made up of men to judge the established church. The Holy Spirit was with them, many good things came of that council, but because they did not test with scripture, there were bad things also, like establishing principles against Jews that resulted in terrible legislation against them. They forgot "bless them and I will bless you" as scripture told them.

The Holy Spirit opens our minds to understanding, it is wonderful, but only when we test our minds constantly with scripture. The Holy spirit never contradicts the Lord.
yes the one thing about the spirit speaking is he will always remind us of what Jesus spoke in the gospel as he teaches us the truth we can know the spirit , because we know Christ and recognize the voice of the lord

“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s so important to believe the gospel Jesus preached because that’s the voice of the holy ghost and as we are taught by him , we have the word to test the spirits
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus had to be like us with temptation before announcing that He was the Ultimate High Priest? Was there a difference to Jesus's physical human body before and after Baptism?

his human body was born of eves flesh through Mary. It is the atonement his earthly life was laid down fornusbhisnearthly body broken for us .

his earthly body is used as a substitute or “ propitiation” to fulfill and appease Gods decree of all flesh being damned and condemned

Jesus had two forms after he was born his true Heavenly form glorified

“And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:29-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they for just a moment we’re seeing the heavenly truth of Christ

“And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes there’s a difference in the flesh and blood body and the glorified body

remember how no one recognized him after his resurrection ? There is a glorified body and a fallen body of flesh

“There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:40, 42-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we know our natural body is doomed to die the flesh . But we have a spiritual body prepared after we part this one that is dead.

not only Jesus was raised in glory but the age what the gospel promises believers

“And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


what we are now , is only a poor reflection of who we are in Christ and who we will be for eternity with him. It’s like we are now looking into a mud puddle seeing who we’re supposed to be and the water is ripples so we just see a silhouette a shape and shadow but then we will know fully and also be fully known and manifest in glory as we stand before the lord our God
 
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his human body was born of eves flesh through Mary. It is the atonement his earthly life was laid down fornusbhisnearthly body broken for us .

his earthly body is used as a substitute or “ propitiation” to fulfill and appease Gods decree of all flesh being damned and condemned

Jesus had two forms after he was born his true Heavenly form glorified

“And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:29-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they for just a moment we’re seeing the heavenly truth of Christ

“And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes there’s a difference in the flesh and blood body and the glorified body

remember how no one recognized him after his resurrection ? There is a glorified body and a fallen body of flesh

“There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:40, 42-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we know our natural body is doomed to die the flesh . But we have a spiritual body prepared after we part this one that is dead.

not only Jesus was raised in glory but the age what the gospel promises believers

“And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


what we are now , is only a poor reflection of who we are in Christ and who we will be for eternity with him. It’s like we are now looking into a mud puddle seeing who we’re supposed to be and the water is ripples so we just see a silhouette a shape and shadow but then we will know fully and also be fully known and manifest in glory as we stand before the lord our God
Could something have happened to His Blood at Baptism?

Heb 2:17,18 “For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.”

Heb 4:15 “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are— yet was without sin.”

via Steve Amato
 

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Could something have happened to His Blood at Baptism?

Heb 2:17,18 “For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.”

Heb 4:15 “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are— yet was without sin.”

via Steve Amato
it’s telling us why God needed to make himself into a man because a priest has to be a mediator between God and man . The priest has to be a perfect man in order to mediate a relationship between God and man

Hebrews is further explaining this that there was no perfect man to intercede ( the priest) for man between them and God because the law was used by Satan to accuse and condemn us

so all men had become sinful and were not able to mediate salvation the relationship was severed until Christ came to restore it

so God say in the heavens and looked upon us to see if there was an intercessor and there wasn’t so this is what Hebrews is explaining

“The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because there was no man worthy

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus blood is without sin as no mother blood on earth is that’s the reason only his blood can atone for the blood of a sinner the shedding blood is for the purpose of atonement of the sinner It has to be sinless in order to atone for the sin

blood is life and therefore atones for life lost

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭17:11‬ ‭

everyone’s own blood is owed to death for sin except for Jesus blood his blood is without sin , and that’s the cost to purchase a sinner from death in order for thoer atonement ( remission of thier sins ) sinless blood needs to be substituted for thiers. This fulfills Gods decree of death for sin , but doesn’t condemn the sinner who was stoned for it offer hope of eternal life iltimately

if we die in unbelief we die in those sins not being stoned for and therefore death owns our soul by Gods word
 
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it’s telling us why God needed to make himself into a man because a priest has to be a mediator between God and man . The priest has to be a perfect man in order to mediate a relationship between God and man

Hebrews is further explaining this that there was no perfect man to intercede ( the priest) for man between them and God because the law was used by Satan to accuse and condemn us

so all men had become sinful and were not able to mediate salvation the relationship was severed until Christ came to restore it

so God say in the heavens and looked upon us to see if there was an intercessor and there wasn’t so this is what Hebrews is explaining

“The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because there was no man worthy

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus blood is without sin as no mother blood on earth is that’s the reason only his blood can atone for the blood of a sinner the shedding blood is for the purpose of atonement of the sinner It has to be sinless in order to atone for the sin

blood is life and therefore atones for life lost

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭17:11‬ ‭

everyone’s own blood is owed to death for sin except for Jesus blood his blood is without sin , and that’s the cost to purchase a sinner from death in order for thoer atonement ( remission of thier sins ) sinless blood needs to be substituted for thiers. This fulfills Gods decree of death for sin , but doesn’t condemn the sinner who was stoned for it offer hope of eternal life iltimately

if we die in unbelief we die in those sins not being stoned for and therefore death owns our soul by Gods word
Jesus's Blood was already sanctified, I'm asking if something extra happened to it at Baptism. Maybe something to do with becoming the High Priest.
 
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Jesus said "fulfill all righteousness" right before the Baptism.
 

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Jesus's Blood was already sanctified, I'm asking if something extra happened to it at Baptism. Maybe something to do with becoming the High Priest.
no blood is just blood jesus blood is holy because he loves his life sinless that means blood represents his sinless perfect life as a man , that is what he gives us in exchange for the punishment we deserved for our sinful life .

It’s the source of why we repent “ the shedding of his blood represents his suffering and sacrifice for us his life on earth he gave up in our place the bloods significance is the one who shed it was perfect and it was his own who came in the flesh and blood and now is glorofoed in the heavens to give us hope and reconciliation to himself , through himself being made a man giving that up for man and returning to his glory now that there is a man worthy of interceding for us

“Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:33-34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember we looked earlier at beforehand he looked and saw there was no man to intercede ? Now there is a man worthy of interceding for us because he gave his perfect life to most the price for our sins that’s who God became

Jesus had no blood until he was made flesh and “blood is the life of the flesh “

the point bro God is a spirit , but this doesn’t mean like we think he has no body he has a spiritual body both material and immaterial United in one

mankind requires one perfect man like Jesus is one with God , to be a priest between God and man.

his blood was sanctified by his victory over sin he wasn’t already victorious as a man he hadn’t yet been in the form of a man . It was already but in the form of a promise .

God can’t be tempted because he is a spirit . Says James , but flesh is required for temptation to touch someone or works through lust

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭

the heavens are the lords the spiritual places , but the earth was given to men.


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭

that’s why God became a man because all Mankind had become as he said impure and wicked at heart and dominion of earth he gave To mankind in the beginning .

as man goes , so goes all the earth and all that is of the earth ( flesh ) also included because it is made of the earth.

mankind became lost because there was no intercessor among mankind , no perfect man to be priest between God and man . So God himself came and became a man by the power of his word because he said thkngs like this the word who is God was made flesh he spoke himself into the form of a son of
Man
beforehand in prophecy , and testifies of himself glorified as a victorious son of man in heaven , afterward in the epistles and tells us to look to the son who was on earth to be saved but it was never not God Jesus is the full and true and everlasting God who came and appeared in the flesh , perfected it and became that perfect man who never was until .......

“Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

...For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:

and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:1-2, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you will recognize that quote from the gospel when Jesus was baptized and began to preach his word

when he looked and saw man was lost without a man worthy , he himself became that man by his own powerful word the same word as says ( let there be light and then light shines )

brought God to Us in the form of Jesus Christ the truth and everlasting God made known without the clouds and fire

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember he said he looked down from heaven there was no man because all had become sinful and not one was righteous , none understood ?

Jesus first lived and a man humbled himself and was perfectly obedient to Gods every word and commandment never once did Jesus the man of God transgress Gods will. But was tempted himself being made flesh and blood

because he went through it as a man victoriously it makes him the perfect priest to mediate between God and man because Jesus the priest is allowed into Gods presence and he has now invited believers in with him so we find out who is actually sitting on the throne is one in the form of a man.

it is Gods glory and credit his plan was to come and be that man that we could not have ever lived without him being “ fully man “ is as important as him being “ fully God “ as many say

because he became a Man we know have a priest capable of saving us

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The sanctity and value of Jesus blood is Gods word who spoke himself into existence as a man and shed the perfect blood of remission. The bloods value was not from eves flesh but from Jesus victory over the curse of the flesh .

Jesus the man , God in the flesh first overcame sin from our position under it , and then his blood had the value necassary to pay for sinners lives

I believe what happened to his blood is he perfected mankind’s blood which was flawed through his suffering and obedience through saving every form of temptation through the flesh
 
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no blood is just blood jesus blood is holy because he loves his life sinless that means blood represents his sinless perfect life as a man , that is what he gives us in exchange for the punishment we deserved for our sinful life .

It’s the source of why we repent “ the shedding of his blood represents his suffering and sacrifice for us his life on earth he gave up in our place the bloods significance is the one who shed it was perfect and it was his own who came in the flesh and blood and now is glorofoed in the heavens to give us hope and reconciliation to himself , through himself being made a man giving that up for man and returning to his glory now that there is a man worthy of interceding for us

“Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:33-34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember we looked earlier at beforehand he looked and saw there was no man to intercede ? Now there is a man worthy of interceding for us because he gave his perfect life to most the price for our sins that’s who God became

Jesus had no blood until he was made flesh and “blood is the life of the flesh “

the point bro God is a spirit , but this doesn’t mean like we think he has no body he has a spiritual body both material and immaterial United in one

mankind requires one perfect man like Jesus is one with God , to be a priest between God and man.

his blood was sanctified by his victory over sin he wasn’t already victorious as a man he hadn’t yet been in the form of a man . It was already but in the form of a promise .

God can’t be tempted because he is a spirit . Says James , but flesh is required for temptation to touch someone or works through lust

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭

the heavens are the lords the spiritual places , but the earth was given to men.


“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭

that’s why God became a man because all Mankind had become as he said impure and wicked at heart and dominion of earth he gave To mankind in the beginning .

as man goes , so goes all the earth and all that is of the earth ( flesh ) also included because it is made of the earth.

mankind became lost because there was no intercessor among mankind , no perfect man to be priest between God and man . So God himself came and became a man by the power of his word because he said thkngs like this the word who is God was made flesh he spoke himself into the form of a son of
Man
beforehand in prophecy , and testifies of himself glorified as a victorious son of man in heaven , afterward in the epistles and tells us to look to the son who was on earth to be saved but it was never not God Jesus is the full and true and everlasting God who came and appeared in the flesh , perfected it and became that perfect man who never was until .......

“Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

...For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:

and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:1-2, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you will recognize that quote from the gospel when Jesus was baptized and began to preach his word

when he looked and saw man was lost without a man worthy , he himself became that man by his own powerful word the same word as says ( let there be light and then light shines )

brought God to Us in the form of Jesus Christ the truth and everlasting God made known without the clouds and fire

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember he said he looked down from heaven there was no man because all had become sinful and not one was righteous , none understood ?

Jesus first lived and a man humbled himself and was perfectly obedient to Gods every word and commandment never once did Jesus the man of God transgress Gods will. But was tempted himself being made flesh and blood

because he went through it as a man victoriously it makes him the perfect priest to mediate between God and man because Jesus the priest is allowed into Gods presence and he has now invited believers in with him so we find out who is actually sitting on the throne is one in the form of a man.

it is Gods glory and credit his plan was to come and be that man that we could not have ever lived without him being “ fully man “ is as important as him being “ fully God “ as many say

because he became a Man we know have a priest capable of saving us

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The sanctity and value of Jesus blood is Gods word who spoke himself into existence as a man and shed the perfect blood of remission. The bloods value was not from eves flesh but from Jesus victory over the curse of the flesh .

Jesus the man , God in the flesh first overcame sin from our position under it , and then his blood had the value necassary to pay for sinners lives

I believe what happened to his blood is he perfected mankind’s blood which was flawed through his suffering and obedience through saving every form of temptation through the flesh
"his blood was sanctified by his victory over sin he wasn’t already victorious as a man he hadn’t yet been in the form of a man . It was already but in the form of a promise . "

Is there something that says His blood was only sanctified after His death? Wait, are you saying He had Blood before being Born Human?

I refuse to believe the Baptism was just for show. Something happened that day and it has something to do with "fulfill all righteousness".

"I believe what happened to his blood is he perfected mankind’s blood which was flawed through his suffering and obedience through saving every form of temptation through the flesh"

So why can't this be what happened at Baptism?
 

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"his blood was sanctified by his victory over sin he wasn’t already victorious as a man he hadn’t yet been in the form of a man . It was already but in the form of a promise . "

Is there something that says His blood was only sanctified after His death? Wait, are you saying He had Blood before being Born Human?

I refuse to believe the Baptism was just for show. Something happened that day and it has something to do with "fulfill all righteousness".

"I believe what happened to his blood is he perfected mankind’s blood which was flawed through his suffering and obedience through saving every form of temptation through the flesh"

So why can't this be what happened at Baptism?
what I’m saying brother is this was established well before it happened on earth . God had said “a son will be born” all the way back in history before Jesus was actually born in the flesh and blood.

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:50‬ ‭

Gods kingdom is spiritual . Blood in the Bible represents the life of the “flesh”

until Christ was born there was no flesh and blood of God is what I’m saying. Blood isn’t something God needs because he doesn’t have flesh the blood of his “man state” was shed for those like us of flesh and blood.

the Bible says his blood was shed from beforehand and threats true , the moment God speaks it is done in faith. But Jesus blood actually wasn’t shed on earth until the time of the gospel came and he was born in flesh and blood , was tempted just like we are . What I’m saying is all blood is not good or evil until the person sins or does right because the blood only represents the life of the living man

Jesus blood being holy is only because it is his blood who is holy without sin. Do you understand what I mean ? Until he became flesh he had no blood

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2, 14‬ ‭

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” ( who is a spirit )
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭

have you ever noticed this ?

“And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus holy life he lived is what made his blood special is My point. Blood itself is irrelevant but Jesus shedding his perfected blood is everything

his suffering through his life on earth perfected flesh and blood in order to be a suitable high priest between God and man so then he is the one and only
Mediator between God and men because he is God and became the perfect man through differing as one perfectly .

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

( the man ) Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think it’s important to remind you this is just my thinking I’ve said that a few times but it’s always good to
Remind I’m just telling you what I think freely . Not claiming to be an authority .

so My answers should be valued at that point just another person thinking out loud about the scripture. I appreciate free conversation

what I take out of alllll this is that God began in good relationship with us , the. Satan deceived and led
Man away from the truth of God and mans relationship.

over time Bod dealt with man through good solid men like Enoch , Noah , Abraham , Isaac and Jacob. But over time men became more
And more disconnected from our original state of being made after the image of Gods will and nature of good . Until he gets to the prophecies where he is looking upon earth and can’t find one single man to interceded anymore for
Man like they had in the past through prophets and kings

so the only solution when he saw there was no one , was to speak himself into the world as a prefect man through the prophets and do what he did in Christ

the bloodshed is something for
Mankind’s atonement blood was never needed by God but he became one of us who are Made of flesh and blood and did it perfectly and sacrificed his life for oirs and now interceded for us through the gospel
 
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what I’m saying brother is this was established well before it happened on earth . God had said “a son will be born” all the way back in history before Jesus was actually born in the flesh and blood.

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:50‬ ‭

Gods kingdom is spiritual . Blood in the Bible represents the life of the “flesh”

until Christ was born there was no flesh and blood of God is what I’m saying. Blood isn’t something God needs because he doesn’t have flesh the blood of his “man state” was shed for those like us of flesh and blood.

the Bible says his blood was shed from beforehand and threats true , the moment God speaks it is done in faith. But Jesus blood actually wasn’t shed on earth until the time of the gospel came and he was born in flesh and blood , was tempted just like we are . What I’m saying is all blood is not good or evil until the person sins or does right because the blood only represents the life of the living man

Jesus blood being holy is only because it is his blood who is holy without sin. Do you understand what I mean ? Until he became flesh he had no blood

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2, 14‬ ‭

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” ( who is a spirit )
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭

have you ever noticed this ?

“And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:49-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus holy life he lived is what made his blood special is My point. Blood itself is irrelevant but Jesus shedding his perfected blood is everything

his suffering through his life on earth perfected flesh and blood in order to be a suitable high priest between God and man so then he is the one and only
Mediator between God and men because he is God and became the perfect man through differing as one perfectly .

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

( the man ) Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think it’s important to remind you this is just my thinking I’ve said that a few times but it’s always good to
Remind I’m just telling you what I think freely . Not claiming to be an authority .

so My answers should be valued at that point just another person thinking out loud about the scripture. I appreciate free conversation

what I take out of alllll this is that God began in good relationship with us , the. Satan deceived and led
Man away from the truth of God and mans relationship.

over time Bod dealt with man through good solid men like Enoch , Noah , Abraham , Isaac and Jacob. But over time men became more
And more disconnected from our original state of being made after the image of Gods will and nature of good . Until he gets to the prophecies where he is looking upon earth and can’t find one single man to interceded anymore for
Man like they had in the past through prophets and kings

so the only solution when he saw there was no one , was to speak himself into the world as a prefect man through the prophets and do what he did in Christ

the bloodshed is something for
Mankind’s atonement blood was never needed by God but he became one of us who are Made of flesh and blood and did it perfectly and sacrificed his life for oirs and now interceded for us through the gospel
Did the Human Side of Jesus have every sin ever in Him on the Cross? Or was the Human Side the Sacrifice towards all sin?

Can temptations imposed on Jesus's Blood be a thing that needed perfected at Baptism?
 

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Jesus's Blood was already sanctified, I'm asking if something extra happened to it at Baptism. Maybe something to do with becoming the High Priest.
Baptism is a very deep, spiritual subject. It begins with the flood, as in 1 Peter 3:18-22 when Peter compares the waters that saved Noah inside the ark as a symbol of Christ's saving grace. All through the OT are examples of using the symbol of water cleansing as a cleaning of man from sin.

Just as Christ perfected all that is told in the OT, Christ perfected this cleansing. Now we are cleansed with the Holy Spirit.
 
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Was Jesus's Baptism about cleansing the Sacrifice ..Himself? Is it a big deal because it was a requirement for Jesus to become the High Priest on the Cross.