Is the right baptism necessary for salvation?

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Josh321

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ok well this has been on my mind for the whole day so just wanted to show everyone what the scripture said on this matter, is the right baptism necessary for receiving the holy spirit and your salvation, can the wrong baptism keep you from receiving the holy spirit? let us take a look into the holy word of God for the answer, he that has an ear to hear let him hear, and may God show you the right thing to do through his holy word,

now notice what Jesus said before he departed

[h=3]Matthew 28:19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


now notice here that in name here is singular, it is not literally telling you to do it in father son holy spirit, and who is that name? Jesus Christ, but don't take my word for it brothers and sisters, i want you to notice now... pay very close attention to this, after Jesus had commanded the disciples to do this, notice this is after Jesus had left the earth and went to be at the right side of our Father God


[h=3]Acts 2:37-38[/h]King James Version (KJV)

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.




do you see what i mean that " in the name " was singular and what it really meant don't take my word for it, it is right there for you to see, and notice NOT ONE PERSON in the bible was baptized in the name of the father son and holy spirit, if you can show me that i will admit that i am wrong, but if you can't just follow the word not my sayings i'm only pointing it out, NOW to the important question can having the WRONG baptism cause you not receive the holy spirit? now listen to this God does not change, if he did something one way back in the day it MUST be the same exact thing in THIS day, lets go to God's holy word to find the answer

[h=3]Acts 19:2[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

i want you to look closely at this now, NOTICE they BELIEVED in Jesus, but DID not receive the holy ghost, why was that? let's see the next question that was asked brothers and sisters


[h=3]Acts 19:3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.


do you see where the question ended up? unto WHAT then were ye baptized, and they said John's baptism,




[h=3]Acts 19:4-6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.




Do you see it friends? how important the right baptism is? AS THEY WERE baptized in Jesus Name they RECEIVE the holy ghost, now.. if back in the day the people had to be baptized in Jesus name, then the holy spirit came on them, when they were baptized in the name of Jesus christ, it WILL be the SAME exact thing THIS DAY, i pray that this may touch someone's heart and let them rethink things, he that have an ear to hear let him hear! God bless everyone
 

Radius

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Baptism is not a prerequisite to being saved and going to Heaven. Period.
The thief on the cross was not baptized.
 
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Baptism is not a prerequisite to being saved and going to Heaven. Period.
The thief on the cross was not baptized.
Yes, it's a public, symbolic declaration of what is already a spiritual reality.

Otherwise it degenerates into a superstitious ritualism, which loses sight of salvation by grace, through faith, not of works (Ephesians 2.8&9).
 

Angela53510

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You have been listening to the propaganda of the Oneness or United Pentecostals.

It is sheer legalism to think that using one verse or another for baptism is going to keep you out of heaven. And the minute you start subscribing to their beliefs, you will find that no one is saved until they are baptized. Tell that to those in the Upper Room who set the world on fire. I don't remember reading about any one of those apostles being baptized.

And what name was Jesus himself baptized in? I think that is another mystery, to show that it is the spirit, not the wording that matters.
 

notuptome

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Holy Spirit baptism saves. Water baptism does not. Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on those in the upper room and they were born again. The Holy Spirit filled those at Pentecost with power from on high that they might minister.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

pjr

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sounds as though you are a "oneness Pentecostal".
 

Josh321

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not gonna argue with anyone.. but as you saw for yourselves, they were some who did not receive the holy spirit because they were not baptized in jesus name and as they went and got baptized in Jesus name they received the holy spirit, if you don't want to accept that ok, but it's the written word of God not what i said, but they are some who receive the holy spirit before and then went and got baptized in Jesus name
 

Josh321

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sounds as though you are a "oneness Pentecostal".
please do not place me into a denomination, i'm not apart of any denomination i belong to Christ, and because i quote what the scripture said i belong to an organization? did you not read what the scripture said? they did not receive the holy spirit because of their baptism they were not baptized in Jesus name don't take my word for it read it yourself, before you accuse me of something, God bless
 

crossnote

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This is the baptism without human hands that is necessary...

Romans 6:3-5 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
 

Josh321

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This is the baptism without human hands that is necessary...

Romans 6:3-5 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
yes brother there is 2 kind of baptism, baptism of the holy spirit and baptism in the water, if water baptism wasn't necessary why did Jesus say to do it, and why did the apostles commanded people to be baptized in Jesus name?
 

crossnote

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yes brother there is 2 kind of baptism, baptism of the holy spirit and baptism in the water, if water baptism wasn't necessary why did Jesus say to do it, and why did the apostles commanded people to be baptized in Jesus name?
I didn't say water baptism is or is not necessary. I said the baptism you find in Rom 6 (done without human hands) is definitely necessary.

1 Corinthians 1:14-17 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
 
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Josh321

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I didn't say water baptism is or is not necessary. I said the baptism you find in Rom 6 (done without human hands) is definitely necessary.

1 Corinthians 1:14-17 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
ok i know that brother but all i'm saying is according to the acts we read, those people did not receive the holy spirit because they were baptized in the wrong baptism that's all i'm saying, if you disagree with me brother well then you can tell me your interpretation of what this scripture is saying because that is what i see here i'm highlight it for you i'm sure you will see the same thing also

[h=3]Acts 19:2-6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.



notice how the jump directly to what name were they baptized under? soon as they said they believe in Jesus but did not receive the holy spirit, as they said that paul ask them unto what they were baptised in, do you see it brother?
 

mustaphadrink

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Baptism is not a prerequisite to being saved and going to Heaven. Period.
The thief on the cross was not baptized.
Radius have you never been taught that you do not form a doctrine on one verse of scripture?
 

mustaphadrink

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You have been listening to the propaganda of the Oneness or United Pentecostals.
How is what is in the scripture propaganda? Either it says to be baptised in the name of Jesus or it doesn't. If it does, then it is OBVIOUS that is what happened and what we should be doing.
 

mustaphadrink

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sounds as though you are a "oneness Pentecostal".
Sorry pjr, but baptism in the name of Jesus preceded the oneness lot by over 1,000 years so they are not the source of the truth.
 

mustaphadrink

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Act_2:38 Peter said, "Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit.

Act_8:12 But when they believed what Philip was saying about God's kingdom and about the name of Jesus Christ, they were all baptized.

Act_8:16 Before this, the Holy Spirit had not been given to anyone in Samaria, though some of them had been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Act_10:48 Peter ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and they asked him to stay on for a few days.

Act_19:5 After the people heard Paul say this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

1Co_1:13 Has Christ been divided up? Was I nailed to a cross for you? Were you baptized in my name?


Act_2:41 On that day about three thousand believed his message and were baptized.

Act_8:13 Even Simon believed and was baptized. He stayed close to Philip, because he marveled at all the miracles and wonders.

Act_8:36 As they were going along the road, they came to a place where there was some water. The official said, "Look! Here is some water. Why can't I be baptized?"

Act_8:38 He ordered the chariot to stop. Then they both went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.

Act_9:18 Suddenly something like fish scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see. He got up and was baptized.

Act_16:15 Then after she and her family were baptized, she kept on begging us, "If you think I really do have faith in the Lord, come stay in my home." Finally, we accepted her invitation.

Act_16:33 While it was still night, the jailer took them to a place where he could wash their cuts and bruises. Then he and everyone in his home were baptized.

Act_18:8 Crispus was the leader of the meeting place. He and everyone in his family put their faith in the Lord. Many others in Corinth also heard the message, and all the people who had faith in the Lord were baptized.

Act_22:16 What are you waiting for? Get up! Be baptized, and wash away your sins by praying to the Lord."

Rom_6:3 Don't you know that all who share in Christ Jesus by being baptized also share in his death?

Rom_6:4 When we were baptized, we died and were buried with Christ. We were baptized, so that we would live a new life, as Christ was raised to life by the glory of God the Father.

Rom_6:5 If we shared in Jesus' death by being baptized, we will be raised to life with him.

1Co_15:29 If the dead are not going to be raised to life, what will people do who are being baptized for them? Why are they being baptized for those dead people?

Gal_3:27 And when you were baptized, it was as though you had put on Christ in the same way you put on new clothes.

Col_2:12 And when you were baptized, it was the same as being buried with Christ. Then you were raised to life because you had faith in the power of God, who raised Christ from death.

1Pe_3:21 Those flood waters were like baptism that now saves you. But baptism is more than just washing your body. It means turning to God with a clear conscience, because Jesus Christ was raised from death.

NOW, what do we deduce from all these verses about baptism?

One. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus, NOT in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Two. Baptism was integral to the experience of being born again as it is an indication of putting on Christ; we share his death through baptism; it now saves us; it is the same as being buried with Christ; we share in Jesus death; we live a new life after baptism; it washes away your sin; it was evidence of faith in the Lord.

These verses clearly show I believe that baptism is not an optional extra.
 

Josh321

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all i did was shared the word of God and i got told i'm in a oneness creed which i never heard about... my only creed is the lord Jesus Christ, let his word be true and every man a lie, if he said in his holy word, to be baptized in Jesus name then why are you fighting me down, take it up with God not me and who is man to question the will of God?
 

crossnote

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ok i know that brother but all i'm saying is according to the acts we read, those people did not receive the holy spirit because they were baptized in the wrong baptism that's all i'm saying, if you disagree with me brother well then you can tell me your interpretation of what this scripture is saying because that is what i see here i'm highlight it for you i'm sure you will see the same thing also

Acts 19:2-6

King James Version (KJV)

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.



notice how the jump directly to what name were they baptized under? soon as they said they believe in Jesus but did not receive the holy spirit, as they said that paul ask them unto what they were baptised in, do you see it brother?
What is confusing is your title...
[h=2]Is the right baptism necessary for salvation?[/h] then look at v.2 again...Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

These were already believers and saved...or are you trying to say they weren't saved when they believed...not until they received the Holy Spirit?
 

Josh321

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What is confusing is your title...
Is the right baptism necessary for salvation?

then look at v.2 again...Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

These were already believers and saved...or are you trying to say they weren't saved when they believed...not until they received the Holy Spirit?
how can they already had been believers when they had not receive the holy spirit? you only become a believer when you receive the holy spirit, and there is nothing confusing about the title for we see later down in the verse as they were baptized in Jesus name they received the holy spirit, no one is saved until they received the holy spirit, for that is where our new body comes from, how can you not have the new body and be saved?
 

Josh321

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if an experience does not come from believing upon the Lord Jesus Christ, can that belief save you? something must happen when you believe upon God or you have not been saved, these people believed but they DID NOT receive the holy spirit although they believed that's why it's so important in the doing it the right way, God's way.