Is the teaching of Jesus before His crucifixion only for Jews?

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Guojing

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How about go to Jesus, Jesus is not only Jews but the big boss of Jews.
Obviously Rahab and Ruth could not have gone thru Jesus, since he had not come in the flesh yet when they were around.

But as the Roman Centurion and the Canaanite lady showed us, even if they could have, Jesus would still require them to bless Israel in some way first, before he would be willing to bless them.

Its all set in the protocol in Genesis 12:3.
 
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Obviously Rahab and Ruth could not have gone thru Jesus, since he had not come in the flesh yet when they were around.

But as the Roman Centurion and the Canaanite lady showed us, even if they could have, Jesus would still require them to bless Israel in some way first, before he would be willing to bless them.

Its all set in the protocol in Genesis 12:3.
How about samarithan woman?
 
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Samaritans were half Jews so you cannot compare them to gentiles, but anyway, as I have covered already

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Of the Jews mean from the Jews but not for the Jews only
Salvation is for whosoever believe john 3:16
 

garee

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Obviously Rahab and Ruth could not have gone thru Jesus, since he had not come in the flesh yet when they were around.

But as the Roman Centurion and the Canaanite lady showed us, even if they could have, Jesus would still require them to bless Israel in some way first, before he would be willing to bless them.

Its all set in the protocol in Genesis 12:3.
You are using the earthen body that he used as a propmised demonstration. The earthen body of death it had no power. Jesus said clearly his flesh profits for zero or nothing . God is not a man .

He redeemed mankind by a work of His unseen Spirit as eternal God. The same power that worked in Jesus worked in Rahab, Ruth, Abraham, Abel, Jacob Isaac etc.

Two working together as one .The unseen father empowered the Son of man, Jesus seen. Just as with any born again believer. We cannot isolate Jesus or the father. Can't have one without the other.

We are saved by the unseen work of Christ's faith or called a labor of His love. His faith that works in us to both will and empower us to do his good pleasure. Nothing on our behalf could be added to it

Note. . (Faith Christ's ) Not of our own selves

Seest thou how (Christ's) faith wrought with his works, (Christ's) and by works (Christ's) was faith (Christ's) made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it (Christ's) was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works (Christ's) a man is justified, and not by faith (Christ's) only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works (Christ's) , when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith (Christ's) without works (Christ's) is dead also. James 2:22-25

If we were to attribute His work of faith to or own selves then we have blasphemed the His power by which we are called .
James 2 :7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

In that way our new faith belongs to us but no power of us.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The imputed power of Christ not seen faithfully working in us .Our daily bread.
 

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Yes!

16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”


22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
This is outta whack.

The law came as a school master to point to our sin.
The law exposes sin.

But to you paulines you need,for some bizarre reason,for Jesus to ignorantly suggest salvation is through the law.

GET THIS DOWN PLEASE....
JESUS SAID "NOBODY COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME"
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"UNLESS YOU BE BORN AGAIN YOU CAN NOT ENTER HEAVEN"

PLEASE STOP REFRAMING JESUS AND HIS TESTIMONY.
 
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Was that known during the time of the 4 gospels? Did Jesus teach that to Israel during that time?
Jesus commanded His disciples to literally say, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." What would telling someone that message do today? Nobody is getting saved preaching that message.
 
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His faith that works in us to both will and empower us to do his good pleasure. Nothing on our behalf could be added to it
His faith mean Christ faith?

Hebrew 11
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Evidence of thing that not seen

We have faith in Jesus though we never see jesus

Jesus have faith in Jesus? He seen Himslef how He have faith in Him?
 

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Jesus commanded His disciples to literally say, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." What would telling someone that message do today? Nobody is getting saved preaching that message.
Paul did not get the "kingdom is bad" memo

Acts 28
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,

31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence
 

garee

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His faith mean Christ faith?

Hebrew 11
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Evidence of thing that not seen

We have faith in Jesus though we never see jesus

Jesus have faith in Jesus? He seen Himself how He have faith in Him?
It can get confusing

Faith is the power to see the outcome of the will. It is the power that works to perform it. " let there be" the will of faith and "it was good" the work seen.

Roman 3 asks the question. What is some do not believe God not seen. Would his atheistic faithlessness (no faith). work of unbelief make make the Faith of God without effect?

To make to no effect is a work .If that was true how could we seek the approval of God by obeying the commandment? he commands it and empowers it so we can believe in a God not seen . If he would commandment it will it, and not empower it .No one could please Him not seen. The law of faith

Roman 3 :3-4 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Christ the anointing Teachers faith. The faith of Christ the power as it is written .not according to our own understanding. But his that does work in to both will and perform His good pleasure.

Does Jesus have faith in Jesus? Salvation is the work of two working of one faith or will. The father and the Son . One seen the other not seen working inside. the peace of God that surpasses all human understanding him giving us that understanding of peace again working in perfect harmony and mutual submissiveness .
 
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Paul did not get the "kingdom is bad" memo

Acts 28
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,

31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence
Preaching the kingdom of God...the spiritual kingdom of righteousness. That's not the same thing. Words are important. Paul did not go around preaching "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." His gospel was the d,b,r for sins. The disciples had no clue about Christ's d,b,r for sins.
 
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Preaching the kingdom of God...the spiritual kingdom of righteousness. That's not the same thing. Words are important. Paul did not go around preaching "The kingdom of heaven is at hand." His gospel was the d,b,r for sins. The disciples had no clue about Christ's d,b,r for sins.
Peter have a clue
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
 
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Peter have a clue
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Again, that’s after the cross.🤦‍♂️