Is there a common theme ?

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GraceAndTruth

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GaryA said:
So?

Yes - it is one sentence - in two parts - separated by a colon.

Do you understand the significance of the colon? What it is? What it is not?

Yes - the two parts go together - that is, they are associated with each other in the context of the whole sentence.

In the context of the whole sentence, [what I put in post #29] is plainly obvious.
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A semicolon is most commonly used to link (in a single sentence) two independent clauses that are closely related in thought. When a semicolon is used to join two or more ideas (parts) in a sentence, those ideas are then given equal position or rank.

I can't even put my head around what you are trying to say.
It is one complete sentence
I see no conflict here with my position

12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

You said in post 29:
In this context, according to this definition, one cannot receive [anything] without one's own will coming into play.

I disagree. That verse is just stating that those who believed and received Him, He had secured their right to become adopted chidren of God, per Ephesians 1:5 as they had been predestined.

What do I have that God did not give me?
Take all the credit you want, I am not in that camp.
 
GraceAndTruth

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GaryA said:
Did you not read what I wrote? Did you not read the Bible verse I quoted?

The Word of God has the power to show man that which is outside of himself. And then gives him the option to choose that which is outside of himself.

The power of God can break the curse.

The power of God:

~ draws a man to Him
~ shows him another option
~ gives him the ability to accept/take that option

You are looking at the depraved nature of man as though it were greater than God. It is not.

Man by himself can do nothing. However, when God gets involved - all things are possible...

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I have things going on here, I am replying as soon as I can.
And your posts are confusing......one is about man plays a part in salvation and the other is God has all the power
synergism and monergism rolled into one little oyster.

You know what they say about oysters...............every one has a pearl, I am looking for the one in you.
 
GraceAndTruth

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Do I understand the meaning of a colon?? WHAT THE HECK IS THAT ABOUT??

:rolleyes:
DO NOT ANSWER THAT.
 
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Its seems to me from my work with evangelism that there is a common theme that crops up time and time again . To one degree or another its ' works salvation ' . It usually is disguised and couched in less than obvious ways ,but winds up the same. This is from cults to false religions and sadly within christianity. The more subtle variations of the theme are usually framed in terms connected to baptism, obedience, perseverance, endurance, faithfulness , commitment, surrendering, Lordship, ect . I see this as virtue
signalling . But the hardest message to be accepted , and is hotly contested is the simple truth of salvation through faith and once your sealed by the Holy Spirit this is until the day of redemption. Paul was constantly attacked for preaching ' licence to sin ' , turning the message of grace into a message of licence. I see this one truth that stands alone . Where as all other groups , isms, cults , false religions are on the opposite end with different degrees of course , but essentially argue against ' sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. I believe that is the Gospel and all other messages are attacking the Gospel.
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Jesus cleared up this issue entirely in the book of revelation.
A lukewarm christian can and will lose there inheritance possibly there salvation.
We need to be doers of the word and not hearers only. How many can really say they have been persecuted for his name same?
Contending for the faith is a action not a thought. Perseverance is a struggle of will when subjected through numerous trails.
 
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throughfaith said:
Its seems to me from my work with evangelism that there is a common theme that crops up time and time again . To one degree or another its ' works salvation ' . It usually is disguised and couched in less than obvious ways ,but winds up the same. This is from cults to false religions and sadly within christianity. The more subtle variations of the theme are usually framed in terms connected to baptism, obedience, perseverance, endurance, faithfulness , commitment, surrendering, Lordship, ect . I see this as virtue
signalling . But the hardest message to be accepted , and is hotly contested is the simple truth of salvation through faith and once your sealed by the Holy Spirit this is until the day of redemption. Paul was constantly attacked for preaching ' licence to sin ' , turning the message of grace into a message of licence. I see this one truth that stands alone . Where as all other groups , isms, cults , false religions are on the opposite end with different degrees of course , but essentially argue against ' sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. I believe that is the Gospel and all other messages are attacking the Gospel.
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Even as a child in church we learned John 3:16. I don't know what part of the bible would be used to argue the Christian strives by their actions to attain salvation after that.
 
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pottersclay said:
Jesus cleared up this issue entirely in the book of revelation.
A lukewarm christian can and will lose there inheritance possibly there salvation.
We need to be doers of the word and not hearers only. How many can really say they have been persecuted for his name same?
Contending for the faith is a action not a thought. Perseverance is a struggle of will when subjected through numerous trails.
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Where is that said in revelation?
 
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throughfaith said:
Its seems to me from my work with evangelism that there is a common theme that crops up time and time again . To one degree or another its ' works salvation ' . It usually is disguised and couched in less than obvious ways ,but winds up the same. This is from cults to false religions and sadly within christianity. The more subtle variations of the theme are usually framed in terms connected to baptism, obedience, perseverance, endurance, faithfulness , commitment, surrendering, Lordship, ect . I see this as virtue
signalling . But the hardest message to be accepted , and is hotly contested is the simple truth of salvation through faith and once your sealed by the Holy Spirit this is until the day of redemption. Paul was constantly attacked for preaching ' licence to sin ' , turning the message of grace into a message of licence. I see this one truth that stands alone . Where as all other groups , isms, cults , false religions are on the opposite end with different degrees of course , but essentially argue against ' sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. I believe that is the Gospel and all other messages are attacking the Gospel.
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I didn't mean to click reply, I meant to click the thumbs up button.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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GraceAndTruth said:
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.
Adding your words to God's. tsk tsk
...".to all those who choose to receive and believe". <----- You won't find those words in the bible.

and whooops again! You quoted only PART of the whole sentence!!!
Johnl 1: 12-13
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
born -physical birth free will choice appoint oneself as a child of God by God alone

as for 'received'...one cannot receive what is not gifted

I really, really, really HATE scripture abuse. IF a person cannot make their point without mangeling the word of God; they have no point
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I want to shake your hand.
 
breno785au

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They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?” Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
John 6:28‭-‬29
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
I didn't mean to click reply, I meant to click the thumbs up button.
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Are you aware that you can cancel a post - even delete one (within the first 5 minutes after initially posting it)? You don't have to post after having clicked on 'Reply'.
 
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throughfaith

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pottersclay said:
Jesus cleared up this issue entirely in the book of revelation.
A lukewarm christian can and will lose there inheritance possibly there salvation.
We need to be doers of the word and not hearers only. How many can really say they have been persecuted for his name same?
Contending for the faith is a action not a thought. Perseverance is a struggle of will when subjected through numerous trails.
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That's not glad tidings is it ?
 
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throughfaith said:
The Gospel is not that difficult or complicated. Is that Good news what you say ?
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That is indeed Good News. The Good News of salvation means that the sinner has been set free (or delivered from) (1) the penalty for sins, (2) the power of sin, and (3) shall be delivered from the presence of sin in the future.

Salvation = deliverance. "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS" ( 1 Tim 1:15)

Unless the FULL GOSPEL is preached, the preacher has not only done a disservice to the hearer, but he has not presented the whole counsel of God. On the other hand, Paul said that he had indeed presented the whole counsel of God to his hearers.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That is indeed Good News. The Good News of salvation means that the sinner has been set free (or delivered from) (1) the penalty for sins, (2) the power of sin, and (3) shall be delivered from the presence of sin in the future.

Salvation = deliverance. "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS" ( 1 Tim 1:15)

Unless the FULL GOSPEL is preached, the preacher has not only done a disservice to the hearer, but he has not presented the whole counsel of God. On the other hand, Paul said that he had indeed presented the whole counsel of God to his hearers.
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The Full Gospel is able to be grasp by a child . Rom 1.16 . 1cor 15 .1-4 . Rom 10 ,9,10 . Eph 1.13-14 . Thats why the warning in Galations about the legalists affecting the believers is ' who has moved you from the simplicity in Christ ' .
 
oyster67

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GraceAndTruth said:
And how does man become able?
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All men have been given the choice to come to their Maker. God has a wonderful plan for every little baby ever born. No baby was born to burn. Whosoever will may come. God is not willing that any should perish. The call is to all.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Romans
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
What do I have that God did not give me?
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Nothing. God gave you a choice. Jesus hung on a cross so that all men would have a choice. To suggest otherwise borders on blasphemy. Grace, grace, marvelous grace that is extended to all. This is the Good News. This is the Gospel. Whosoever will may come. You have been shown the truth and rejected it far too many times in the last couple months.
 
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oyster67 said:
All men have been given the choice to come to their Maker. God has a wonderful plan for every little baby ever born. No baby was born to burn. Whosoever will may come. God is not willing that any should perish. The call is to all.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Romans
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
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wow, I'm undone
 
posthuman

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He knows all whom He created, both what they are capable of doing and what they will in fact do
 
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