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ForestGreenCook

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This is the problem with a system that dictates what the bible has to mean . Thats essentially what you've just said there. You think your ' harmonising ' ,but What your actually doing is this ," well I know regeneration preceding faith ' must be true , so therefore when it says they hold the truth , well hmm this must really be a born again believer, because only regenerated people hold truth " Rather than seeing the obvious fact that it is Paul describing man's general condition after the fall . That no one can attain through their own righteousness eternal life . They hold the truth in unrighteous rather than acknowledge and come to God .
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Another attempt to make the natural man understand the things of the Spirit.
 
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"babes "in" Christ" indicates that they had been regenerated. Regenerated people who do not see, and understand the righteousness of God, are still babes in Christ, and that includes you, along with the rest of God's regenerated children that do not see, and understand.
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Can we be saved today by not believing the resurrection , like Peter and the rest of the apostles?
 
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They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?” Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
John 6:28‭-‬29
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So Jesus just gave the Jews another work to do......to add to the other 613 they have.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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Two problems. You don't have a verse that anyone was regenerated in the OT . And the sheep are Jews who were learning of the Father from the Scriptures. The bereans are an example of this also.
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Moses, Isaiah 63:11.

The lost sheep of the house of Israel is not referencing the nation of Israel, but the house of Jacob. For they are not all Israel which are of Israel. Rom 9:6.
 
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You were born naturally. Hello natural man !
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We all have the natural man within us.......he just had his mind re-engineered so behaves better........but will still tempt to sin.
Anyone who says they are never tempted to sin has not checked his/her thoughts lately.
 
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breno785au said:
Do people not like this scripture or something? Hasn't had very good reception so far.
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I have no problem with any scripture......maybe it was your analysis of it......what did you think Jesus was saying?
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
I have no problem with any scripture......maybe it was your analysis of it......what did you think Jesus was saying?
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I think it's exactly what He said, the only work the Father wants from us is to believe on the One He sent.
 
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breno785au said:
I think it's exactly what He said, the only work the Father wants from us is to believe on the One He sent.
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And I agree it is our only work acceptable to God, since all our own works are as filthy rags.
you might have gone wrong with the other Posters when you implied that a work was requited before being born again...that is a no-no

Other works are expressions of our faith.
"no one CAN come to me unless the Father grants it to him"
'can' always implies ability........so it might just as well read........no one can come to me......

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Moses, Isaiah 63:11.

The lost sheep of the house of Israel is not referencing the nation of Israel, but the house of Jacob. For they are not all Israel which are of Israel. Rom 9:6.
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One verse ? your whole theology is based on one verse ? ( A mis understood one at that , because in hundreds of other places the Holy Spirit is UPON and LEAVES , and your clinging to one misunderstood verse ? )
Not all Israel? Not every descendant of Israel is chosen to carry out the purpose for which God elected Israel. Not every descendant of Israel is blessed to be in the lineage of the Messiah or to be an inspired messenger of God's word. Not every descendant of Israel is guaranteed salvation on the basis of being of Israel is the point.
 
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OK sure. I'll post the old school version which says the same thing..
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
John 6:28‭-‬29
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That's good. Can you see the difference?
 
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One verse ? your whole theology is based on one verse ? ( A mis understood one at that , because in hundreds of other places the Holy Spirit is UPON and LEAVES , and your clinging to one misunderstood verse ? )
Not all Israel? Not every descendant of Israel is chosen to carry out the purpose for which God elected Israel. Not every descendant of Israel is blessed to be in the lineage of the Messiah or to be an inspired messenger of God's word. Not every descendant of Israel is guaranteed salvation on the basis of being of Israel is the point.
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Jacob, as Israel, include all of those that will inhabit eternal heaven, from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
So Jesus just gave the Jews another work to do......to add to the other 613 they have.
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John 6:28-29, verse 29, the work of God, is that man should believe, not the work of of the person. The fact that any of us believe is because of the work of God in regenerating us.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
That's good. Can you see the difference?
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Within the context of what was happening at the time, there is no difference. He addresses their human thinking by drawing their thinking to God's will and He made it quite clear :giggle:
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
You are stretching Rev 3:16 to fit your beliefs that the elect can lose their inheritance of eternal heaven. That is not what the verse says.
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And what do you say it says?.
 
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So what would have happened if jesus acted on his own and did not do the will of the father?
 
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