Is there an end of sin?

[eternally-gratefull]

Slander! I have not read mine but thine! It is in your KJV says that after 62 (69) "week" Christ will be put to death! Is it not written in the early 70's or in the middle but after 69. This word angel. 70 Weeks remained unopened.

I think you can see she has no desire at all to discuss anything. Only to bellittle and trash those who do not believe the way she does. She gets offended very easily we can see.

You also notice that as you have correctly stated, Daniel was told after 69 weeks he will get cut off. Then, As I showed, Many things will happen before the 70th week (which starts with a signing of a covenant by the prince who has not yet come) starts.

We have also seen that the day the 70 weeks starts does not start when she thinks it does. but much later. As Gabriel did NOT SAY when the command goes out to rebuild the temple. But the command to rebuild the City. Which was many years after the date she has set in her mind it started.

Yet we see she has not commented on any of these things. But instead took the cheap easy way out by cutting and pasting from someone she has based her faith in to prove her point. which does nothing to support her claims.

Jesus fulfilled the 69th week when he was cut off. But he has not fulfilled the 70th week. As the prince who is to come (who;s nation destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD) has not even been reveiled yet.

 

[Necto]

Yes I noticed this about her.

 

[zone]

Then, As I showed, Many things will happen before the 70th week (which starts with a signing of a covenant by the prince who has not yet come) starts..

assigning the Finished Work of The Most Holy to a devil.

disgraceful.

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

God cannot lie. "Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked" (Ephesians 6:16).

You have to believe in Jesus , Jesus is the WORD OF GOD...

if a person falls to sin.. they dont believe .

 

[zone]

Jesus has fulfilled all of the scriptures, including Daniel 9, but not as you suppose.

now you've modified your story.

please tell me how He has fulfilled Daniel 9 (and how it is not as i suppose)?

is this a "spiritualized" or "mystical" fulfillment from a literal interpreter?

i thought you were adament He had NOT fulfilled the 7 things listed in Daniel.

You have placed way too much emphasis on time

i love it when the dispensationalists (who deny they are dispensationalists) first insist upon a LITERAL and chronlogical interpretation of TIME (1,000 years furture) with all sorts of literal things happening in a literal future earthly reign.....until it suits them, at which time TIME is just an illusion or some such spiritualization.

there is a reason to think about TIME.

there's only Judgment and eternity after the Second Advent.

Now you will say that even then the Jews were expecting the kingdom to be restored to them. But these were not educated men, versed in the prophecies and in the religious thinking of the Jews of that age. They were simple men, working men. They asked this question because they expected the kingdom from hearing Jesus teach them about it. Just a few days before, He was telling them about the end of days, about the tribulation and the shaking of the world, and great destruction. These men were not heretics as you would claim all other Jews are, who are twisting scripture to show a future glory for their nation. "

that was 2,000 years ago.
they got the answer and its been recorded for us since then.
we have canon.
what's our excuse?

Israel received certain promises from God, given to many of His servants. God is not slack concerning His promises like we are, and He remembers His word and He will fulfill every single one. It is said that the Jews are guilty of His blood. That God has turned His back on them. That they are not His people any more. The plain truth is that God's choice is not revocable. He does not chose a people and then decide that they are no longer chosen. Israel is and has been since Jacob God's chosen people. Through them Jesus was brought into the world, descended of David. The throne in Jerusalem is His by birth right.

so why do you and others continue to overturn The New Covenant, effectively shutting jews out by promising something OTHER THAN THE FULFILLMENT of ALL Promises, JESUS CHRIST.

by allowing the judaization of Christianity, dispensationlists (including you) have reversed the ORDER and purpose of God that israel merge into THE NEW COVENANT, along with grafted in gentiles, making ONE BODY, ONE FAITH, ONE CHURCH...Called after its founder already BACK IN ACTS: Christians.

Jerusalem is not the harlot. Jesus said this of Jerusalem:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now one you shall not see Me until you say, 'Blesses is He who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

THEN WHO IS THIS?

Luke 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and [some] of them they shall slay and persecute:

Revelation 16:6
For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Revelation 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration

Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Revelation 19:2
For true and righteous [are] his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Revelation 18:20
Rejoice over her, [thou] heaven, and [ye] holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

all those passages aren't talking aout APOSTATE EARTHLY JERUSALEM...but this one is?

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

ya sure.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

assigning the Finished Work of The Most Holy to a devil.

disgraceful.

Yeah you are a disgrace assigning the work of Satan to God.

Jesus would not ocmmit an abomination of his own temple now would he?

Yet you want us to believe he would,

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

Where did Jesus say the kindom was?? THe kindom of GOd is within you. There is no sin in the kindom . there is no sin in Christ.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:23

If sin manifest we know one thing.. it came from our unpure heart.. and only the pure in heart shall see God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God cannot lie. "Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked" (Ephesians 6:16).

You have to believe in Jesus , Jesus is the WORD OF GOD...

if a person falls to sin.. they dont believe .

If a persons sins they can't believe? Can you show me where it states a person who believes (has faith) will never sin again? or is this a typo??

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

1 john 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

lord willin im about to leave to go eat but should be back shortly.. GOd bless

 

[zone]

Yeah you are a disgrace assigning the work of Satan to God.

Jesus would not ocmmit an abomination of his own temple now would he?

Yet you want us to believe he would,

His Own Temple? His disciples believed what He had said ABOUT HIMSELF after He had risen: that was a long time ago...why don't YOU?

John 2
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. 24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, 25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.


John 4
19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

what are you doing reversing His Work?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 john 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So which is true? 1 John 3: 9, or 1 John 1: 8 ?

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

John is quite clearly talking to believers in vs 8. did he contradict himself??

 

[VW]

now you've modified your story.

please tell me how He has fulfilled Daniel 9 (and how it is not as i suppose)?

is this a "spiritualized" or "mystical" fulfillment from a literal interpreter?

i thought you were adament He had NOT fulfilled the 7 things listed in Daniel.



i love it when the dispensationalists (who deny they are dispensationalists) first insist upon a LITERAL and chronlogical interpretation of TIME (1,000 years furture) with all sorts of literal things happening in a literal future earthly reign.....until it suits them, at which time TIME is just an illusion or some such spiritualization.

there is a reason to think about TIME.

there's only Judgment and eternity after the Second Advent.



that was 2,000 years ago.
they got the answer and its been recorded for us since then.
we have canon.
what's our excuse?



so why do you and others continue to overturn The New Covenant, effectively shutting jews out by promising something OTHER THAN THE FULFILLMENT of ALL Promises, JESUS CHRIST.

by allowing the judaization of Christianity, dispensationlists (including you) have reversed the ORDER and purpose of God that israel merge into THE NEW COVENANT, along with grafted in gentiles, making ONE BODY, ONE FAITH, ONE CHURCH...Called after its founder already BACK IN ACTS: Christians.



THEN WHO IS THIS?

Luke 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and [some] of them they shall slay and persecute:

Revelation 16:6
For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Revelation 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration

Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Revelation 19:2
For true and righteous [are] his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Revelation 18:20
Rejoice over her, [thou] heaven, and [ye] holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

all those passages aren't talking aout APOSTATE EARTHLY JERUSALEM...but this one is?

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

ya sure.

This is such a work of misdirection.

Sodom and Egypt, but where is it called Babylon? Where does it say that the great harlot lives there?

Do you imagine that when Jesus dwells in a place that it becomes holy?

Good thing he dwells in us, huh?

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

When John said this .. he was directing it to unbelievers..the context of the first chapter was to expose the darkness.
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
there is an IF to being cleansed of all sin. To walk even as he walked?? with no darkness?? here we see no sin as well, so this itself looks like it contradicts vs 8.
To answer your queston...... those people thought they were walking in the light as he is in the light.. they were walking stil in darkness.
If you take good note of vs 9 and 10
vs 9 He is saying this so that get there forgiveness and cleansing . and how much?? it says ALL..
in vs 10..
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

notice the past tense.. we all have sinned and fallen short of his glory.. Jesus came to fullfill the law

in chapter 2 we see how we should walk.. perfect .. even as your father in heaven is perfect.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When John said this .. he was directing it to unbelievers..the context of the first chapter was to expose the darkness.
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
there is an IF to being cleansed of all sin. To walk even as he walked?? with no darkness?? here we see no sin as well, so this itself looks like it contradicts vs 8.
To answer your queston...... those people thought they were walking in the light as he is in the light.. they were walking stil in darkness.
If you take good note of vs 9 and 10
vs 9 He is saying this so that get there forgiveness and cleansing . and how much?? it says ALL..
in vs 10..
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

notice the past tense.. we all have sinned and fallen short of his glory.. Jesus came to fullfill the law

in chapter 2 we see how we should walk.. perfect .. even as your father in heaven is perfect.

Sorry, But I can not agree. John said if we (including him) do not sin, we are decieving ourselves and truth is not in us, He is not directing it to unbelievers, unless he at the time he wrote this is an unbeliever.

Secondly. When John said those born of him can not sin, The greek does not mean literally "never sin" it means that one who is born of God can not "continue, or make a habit" of sin. That verse is horibly mistranslated. and does not say what the english says.

Scripture can not contradict. Even Paul stated he struggled with sin (present tense) and called himself a wretched man because of this failure to be sinnless.

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

Sorry, But I can not agree. John said if we (including him) do not sin, we are decieving ourselves and truth is not in us, He is not directing it to unbelievers, unless he at the time he wrote this is an unbeliever.

Secondly. When John said those born of him can not sin, The greek does not mean literally "never sin" it means that one who is born of God can not "continue, or make a habit" of sin. That verse is horibly mistranslated. and does not say what the english says.

Scripture can not contradict. Even Paul stated he struggled with sin (present tense) and called himself a wretched man because of this failure to be sinnless.

In romans 7 Paul is talking about the past..He was making a example..he says O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Did the lord not deliver him yet??He was already delivered .. Paul was a righteousman not a wicked. He was wicked in the past..i can elovrate alot on this mose if u would like?

listen to this verse
2john1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Love is the fullfillment of the law. WE are to love one another with nothing less then Christ's love..
how do we know that we love the children of God???
5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments
If we transgress( not keep the commandments..) we know its not coming for Jesus. Its still coming from the old man ,our sin nature..
Can Jesus sin?? No of cousre not. That same Jesus when he abides in the man. the lord keeps him.
5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. does one believe this? That Sin sahll not have dominion over you.
Brother think about this .. God does not want a imitation.. The only way we can love with Christ love.. be steadfast, unmovable, and to keep the commandments ..
It has to be Jesus ! that's why Paul said he no longer lives,but Christ lives in me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In romans 7 Paul is talking about the past..He was making a example..he says O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Did the lord not deliver him yet??He was already delivered .. Paul was a righteousman not a wicked. He was wicked in the past..i can elovrate alot on this mose if u would like?

This is a common mistake taken from Pauls words. If one reads what Paul said, he did not use past tense, He used present tense.

That I want (present tense) to do. I don't. He did not say, Not that that I wanted to dowhich would be past tense. Then he said I do not (present tense) Not I did not do..

Then he says "Oh what a wretched man I AM (present tense) He did not say I was. whe should not try to change what Paul said, we should take him literally at his word.

listen to this verse
2john1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

yes read it. there are two clauses there. Those who sin AND does not abide. To abide in something you are continuously living in it. it does not mean we do not fall from time to time. One who abides (nothing about sin) has both the father and the son.

This goes exactly with what I said about the first passage, it does not say one can not sin, it says one cannot habitually, or continue in sin, for they would be abiding in sin. and not god.

Love is the fullfillment of the law. WE are to love one another with nothing less then Christ's love..
how do we know that we love the children of God???
5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments
If we transgress( not keep the commandments..) we know its not coming for Jesus. Its still coming from the old man ,our sin nature..
Can Jesus sin?? No of cousre not. That same Jesus when he abides in the man. the lord keeps him.
5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. does one believe this? That Sin sahll not have dominion over you.
Brother think about this .. God does not want a imitation.. The only way we can love with Christ love.. be steadfast, unmovable, and to keep the commandments ..
It has to be Jesus ! that's why Paul said he no longer lives,but Christ lives in me.

My friend think of this. God did not make us "superchristians" The moment he gave us the spirit. He also did not remove the OSN. We are told all over th eplace in the NT of christians living in sin (read 1 corinthians and pauls chasticement of the corinthian believers. when he told them he should feed them meet, but he has to feed them mild as babes. Why? Because they were still sinning. scripture must not contradict. If we think we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and truth is not in us. If being sinnless is a requirement for salvation. Then salvation is based on works not grace. for one could earn their salvation by not sinning after they recieved the gift of God, yet Scripture states we are continuously under state of grace. Not to mention. No one will get to heaven.

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

This is a common mistake taken from Pauls words. If one reads what Paul said, he did not use past tense, He used present tense.

That I want (present tense) to do. I don't. He did not say, Not that that I wanted to dowhich would be past tense. Then he said I do not (present tense) Not I did not do..

Then he says "Oh what a wretched man I AM (present tense) He did not say I was. whe should not try to change what Paul said, we should take him literally at his word.





yes read it. there are two clauses there. Those who sin AND does not abide. To abide in something you are continuously living in it. it does not mean we do not fall from time to time. One who abides (nothing about sin) has both the father and the son.

This goes exactly with what I said about the first passage, it does not say one can not sin, it says one cannot habitually, or continue in sin, for they would be abiding in sin. and not god.




My friend think of this. God did not make us "superchristians" The moment he gave us the spirit. He also did not remove the OSN. We are told all over th eplace in the NT of christians living in sin (read 1 corinthians and pauls chasticement of the corinthian believers. when he told them he should feed them meet, but he has to feed them mild as babes. Why? Because they were still sinning. scripture must not contradict. If we think we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and truth is not in us. If being sinnless is a requirement for salvation. Then salvation is based on works not grace. for one could earn their salvation by not sinning after they recieved the gift of God, yet Scripture states we are continuously under state of grace. Not to mention. No one will get to heaven.

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Not it says destro..
The man ins not the one keeping himself it is the lord.
tell me what this means please
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Not it says destro..
The man ins not the one keeping himself it is the lord.
tell me what this means please
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

brother do you believe peter was converted when Jesus called him Satan??
just like the corinathins he was talking to them that were not converted yet.
It brother my bible does say cant just to let u know

 

[Crazy4GODword]

It would seem that we would not even have to ask this question. If one says that they do not have sin then they are a liar and the truth is not in them. What is the end of sin?

God's creation, as He first created it in the beginning, was perfect, pure, holy, true, eternal, and without sin. There was no death. There was no sin. There was no dishonesty, no injustice, no inequity. God, being perfect Himself, has only perfect creations.

But sin entered. Lies entered. Death entered. Transgressions and inequity and injustice, all came about because of one lie, and one choice to believe that lie. Creation itself is subject to sin, even now, in the hope of a restoration to perfection.

Paul wrote that the entire creation groans and travails awaiting the revealing of the sons of God. Does this sound like sin is ended?

When we see Him, we will know just as we are known. But what is it we will know? Among other things, we will know the true depths of the deception, the lies, the utter sinfulness that we are in even now. Not sins themselves, but the sinfulness that still resides in us. There is nothing good that dwells in my flesh, only sin.

We will finally see sin in the way that God sees it, when we see Jesus with these eyes.

Not until the new heavens and the new earth will there be an end to sin, to the stain of sin, to the results of sin, when the creature is no longer subject to futility.

Do not believe the lie, sin is not ended. Sin has been paid for. Sin has been covered. We are able to fellowship with God because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. But do not believe that when you fellowship with Him that He will not vividly point out to you your sins. Go to Him seeking revelation, seeking to know true righteousness, to be cleansed completely, each time you go to Him.

In His love,
vic

we still do make mistakes in life....no Christian is sinless completely, but Christ did cover our sins and the Father has forgiven us for all we do...but yet there are times where we still make mistakes.

So as you were saying is there an end of sin as a human? By meaning can we completely stop making mistakes in life?....then no, cause even though we are in Christ all Christians make mistakes but we must go to the Father and ask forgiveness.

So we shouldn't worry about sinning, let us try to repent.