Is there any other group or are there any other individuals besides the elect who believe in Jesus that are proven to ultimately be saved?

[Magenta]

For my edification, can you suggest some ways I could have posted to demonstrably love you?

Perhaps try calling him dense as he did you? His idea of what constitutes love is obviously amiss.

 

[Cameron143]

Perhaps try calling him dense as he did you? His idea of what constitutes love is obviously amiss.

I probably am dense.

 

[Magenta]

I probably am dense.

Well, how long did it take for you to catch on to him?

 

[Cameron143]

I probably am dense.

I was right. Since I have mass, I am dense and voluminous.

 

[GWH]

I have never called you a liar. If you believe otherwise, please reference the post. I haven't even called you disingenuous, though I believe your understanding is incorrect.

So far, I have asked you questions, and characterized your responses. For my edification, can you suggest some ways I could have posted to demonstrably love you?

I referenced the post in #21.

If you had not liked #11,818 in the UGE thread, I would not have believed you disliked me,
so who is confused?

Re your poem:

I saw you in church and I shook your hand. [A, approximate rhyme, iambic meter, tetrameter throughout]
I told you how eternity is going to be grand. [A, approximate rhyme, parallelism, alliteration, iambic meter]
I never saw the heartache that your eyes pleaded: [B, parallelism, irony, irregular meter]
Won't you just love me in the way that is needed? [B, four meters, poser: who is asking the question]

I saw you broken down on the side of the road. [C, parallelism continues, meter ends with two anapests; broken echoes heartache]
I gave you a ride as your car was towed. [C, parallelism, iamb-anapest-anapest-iamb]
Of your financial situation I never inquired, [D, mainly iambic, never echoes previous never]
And I never loved you in the way you required. [D, mainly iambic, required echoes needed]

I didn't see you in church so I called on the phone. [E, mainly iambic, contrast with two previous saws]
I told you it's not good to be all alone. [E, parallelism, mainly iambic, poser: who is all alone]
I never considered visiting as I hung up undaunted, [F, parallelism, mainly iambic, poser: why undaunted]
And I never loved you in the way that you wanted. [F, parallelism, mainly iambic, wanted echoes required & needed]

Love is not Love just because you show care. [G, anapestic meter, poser: what is love]
Love becomes love when you're succinctly aware [G, parallelism, anapestic meter, [poser: succinctly aware]
That you cannot love according to generic creeds. [H, irregular meter, poser: generic creeds]
Love becomes love when it actually meets others needs. [H, parallelism, pentameter, poser: why no love]

 

[GWH]

I probably am dense.

I like your sense of humor and rhyme.

 

[Cameron143]

I referenced the post in #21.

If you had not liked #11,818 in the UGE thread, I would not have believed you disliked me,
so who is confused?

Re your poem:

I saw you in church and I shook your hand. [A, approximate rhyme, iambic meter, tetrameter throughout]
I told you how eternity is going to be grand. [A, approximate rhyme, parallelism, alliteration, iambic meter]
I never saw the heartache that your eyes pleaded: [B, parallelism, irony, irregular meter]
Won't you just love me in the way that is needed? [B, four meters, poser: who is asking the question]

I saw you broken down on the side of the road. [C, parallelism continues, meter ends with two anapests; broken echoes heartache]
I gave you a ride as your car was towed. [C, parallelism, iamb-anapest-anapest-iamb]
Of your financial situation I never inquired, [D, mainly iambic, never echoes previous never]
And I never loved you in the way you required. [D, mainly iambic, required echoes needed]

I didn't see you in church so I called on the phone. [E, mainly iambic, contrast with two previous saws]
I told you it's not good to be all alone. [E, parallelism, mainly iambic, poser: who is all alone]
I never considered visiting as I hung up undaunted, [F, parallelism, mainly iambic, poser: why undaunted]
And I never loved you in the way that you wanted. [F, parallelism, mainly iambic, wanted echoes required & needed]

Love is not Love just because you show care. [G, anapestic meter, poser: what is love]
Love becomes love when you're succinctly aware [G, parallelism, anapestic meter, [poser: succinctly aware]
That you cannot love according to generic creeds. [H, irregular meter, poser: generic creeds]
Love becomes love when it actually meets others needs. [H, parallelism, pentameter, poser: why no love]

I appreciate the detailed analysis of the poem, but my interest in your opinion was strictly a matter of message. Any thoughts?

 

[Intersection]

Romans 8:22
Who shall accuse against the elect of God? God that justifieth.

 

[Dino246]

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Romans 8:22
Who shall accuse against the elect of God? God that justifieth.

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect....

Romans 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake....

 

[Intersection]

2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation, which is in Christ Jesus, with heavenly glory.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 9 verses 11-13 ~ Before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad, in order that Gsod’s plan of election might stand, not by works but by Him who calls, she (Rebekah) was told, “The older will serve the younger.” So it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

 

[Intersection]

Revelation 7:14
These shall fight with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, because he is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with him are called, and elect, and faithful.

 

[Hakawaka]

Do you believe wheat can become tares, and tares become wheat?
What do you believe the teaching concerning wheat and tares mean?

I would say so, its called being born again.

 

[GWH]

I appreciate the detailed analysis of the poem, but my interest in your opinion was strictly a matter of message. Any thoughts?

I liked the poetry, but the message did not seem consistent with the posers.
The first three stanzas seemed to be a developing love story, although the final lines in each foreshadowed a sad ending.
Thus, I would prefer reworking the final stanza so there was a breakthrough in the relationship with a happy ending.
However, if you prefer the sad ending, then I suggest revamping conclusion along the following lines:

Re "Love is not Love just because you show care.": Realize that love IS showing you care, but it takes two to tango.
Re "Love becomes love when you're succinctly aware": Perhaps "acutely" would be better than succinctly?
Re "That you cannot love according to generic creeds.": Perhaps "That love is not simply rote memory of creeds"?
Re "Love becomes love when it actually meets others needs.": Omit "actually" because it disrupts the meter.

One of us is still confused re you liking me being called a liar. That does not meet my need.

 

[Cameron143]

I would say so, its called being born again.

Everything reproduces after its kind. Never in nature has a tare become wheat, or a goat become a lamb.
When we are born again, we remain human. We have simply become a new humanity, a new creation.

 

[Cameron143]

I liked the poetry, but the message did not seem consistent with the posers.
The first three stanzas seemed to be a developing love story, although the final lines in each foreshadowed a sad ending.
Thus, I would prefer reworking the final stanza so there was a breakthrough in the relationship with a happy ending.
However, if you prefer the sad ending, then I suggest revamping conclusion along the following lines:

Re "Love is not Love just because you show care.": Realize that love IS showing you care, but it takes two to tango.
Re "Love becomes love when you're succinctly aware": Perhaps "acutely" would be better than succinctly?
Re "That you cannot love according to generic creeds.": Perhaps "That love is not simply rote memory of creeds"?
Re "Love becomes love when it actually meets others needs.": Omit "actually" because it disrupts the meter.

One of us is still confused re you liking me being called a liar. That does not meet my need.

In the post that I liked, was you being called a liar the only thing written in the post? Or was more in the post that was under consideration?
For the record, I don't believe you are a liar. I do believe your understanding is wrong about a number of things. Simply because you believe you have reconciled scripture doesn't mean others accept the way you handle scripture.

 

[GWH]

In the post that I liked, was you being called a liar the only thing written in the post? Or was more in the post that was under consideration?
For the record, I don't believe you are a liar. I do believe your understanding is wrong about a number of things. Simply because you believe you have reconciled scripture doesn't mean others accept the way you handle scripture.

It was the gist of the post, but I am glad to learn that you think I am merely mistaken about some number of things,
which I trust does not include the kerygma, so that we can continue discussions respectfully without liking demeaning posts.
What do you think of my thoughts regarding the last stanza?

 

[Cameron143]

It was the gist of the post, but I am glad to learn that you think I am merely mistaken about some number of things,
which I trust does not include the kerygma, so that we can continue discussions respectfully without liking demeaning posts.
What do you think of my thoughts regarding the last stanza?

I appreciate your thoughts, and your conclusion fits well with your understanding and inclinations. But when I write poetry, my purpose isn't to have a happy ending. I'm writing either to share some insight or challenge people to action. The purpose of the poem isn't to see where one might be exercising love, but where they neglect to do so and are ignorant of their shortcoming. What often appears loving superficially may not hold up under scrutiny. Many are convinced they are very loving in their own mind when their actions fall short of actually loving another. If you read the poem and are not moved to consider that you can be more loving, I have failed in my goal.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

Everything reproduces after its kind. Never in nature has a tare become wheat, or a goat become a lamb.
When we are born again, we remain human. We have simply become a new humanity, a new creation.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (Jn 3:6)​

​

You are right that everything reproduces after its own kind. God giving birth to us from out of His Spirit does not make us new human beings. It makes us offspring of God. We literally become His children through spiritual birth. Lost people become saved people (Lk 19:10). Those who were formerly darkness become light (Eph 5:8). Children of flesh and blood become children of God (Jn 3:6). This is why people must be born again to enter the kingdom of God.

 

[Magenta]

For the record, I don't believe you are a liar.

Do you believe I blaspheme God and attribute hatred of humanity to Him?

GWH has falsely accused me of that more than once. That makes him a liar.

Then he claimed I should be seeking peace with him while he continued to slander me.

While he goes around telling other people they should be more loving and accepting.

Apparently he sees nothing wrong with the way he relates to others.