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Is it very rigorous to refer to a difference between such large groups of people? Inevitably, you will end up mischaracterizing things in your attempt to simplify the world.
Maybe what follows is a difference between some atheists and some Christians, but I think it's an obvious categorical mistake to make such general inferences about the entirety of such large groups. For someone who regards themselves as a paragon of using "solid evidence" and "facts" and "informed decissions", it seems a little amaterurish.
I don't know how you can possibly make a conclusion like that except based on anecdotal information.
Yes, anecdotal information. It's not very useful.
They would? Based on what?
The difference is pure fiction.
Maybe what follows is a difference between some atheists and some Christians, but I think it's an obvious categorical mistake to make such general inferences about the entirety of such large groups. For someone who regards themselves as a paragon of using "solid evidence" and "facts" and "informed decissions", it seems a little amaterurish.
I don't know how you can possibly make a conclusion like that except based on anecdotal information.
Yes, anecdotal information. It's not very useful.
They would? Based on what?
The difference is pure fiction.
Eighty percent of Indians follow Hinduism, according to the 2001 census. That's some 800 million people. Guess they are all going to Hell? Christians comprise only slightly more than 2% of the population of India. It's hard to fathom how an all-powerful and all-loving deity could consign so many to damnation, and all for the crime of not believing the correct things about him (sounds like something the Supreme Leader of North Korea might do). Forgive me, but this doesn't sound like a loving God.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the categorical error you made. Rather than just admitting the mistake and moving along, you're now choosing to throw out a red herring, for what reason I'm not real sure, but I surmise in hopes that you can steer me away from pointing out your mistake again.
So you were given specific evidence of a classic categorical error that you yourself made based on some scattering of anecdotal information from your own experience. Then you try to steer the subject onto something unrelated. Sure, perhaps there are Christians who would offer you anecdotal information as "proof" the same as you just did. I guess you would be in good company then. There's not much difference in your thought process and those Christians you have in mind, which further goes to undermining your previous point.
Should I take you serious when you say that you would change your mind if given good evidence when you just didn't admit to your own mistake? I mean, now there is specific evidence that you wouldn't change anything based on good reason. Once pointed out, fallacious reasoning on our part is good reason to make us reasses our position.
So you were given specific evidence of a classic categorical error that you yourself made based on some scattering of anecdotal information from your own experience. Then you try to steer the subject onto something unrelated. Sure, perhaps there are Christians who would offer you anecdotal information as "proof" the same as you just did. I guess you would be in good company then. There's not much difference in your thought process and those Christians you have in mind, which further goes to undermining your previous point.
Should I take you serious when you say that you would change your mind if given good evidence when you just didn't admit to your own mistake? I mean, now there is specific evidence that you wouldn't change anything based on good reason. Once pointed out, fallacious reasoning on our part is good reason to make us reasses our position.
Quite the contrary. I have a nice family with four children and seven grandchildren. I am retired and enjoy my hobbies of hunting and fishing. I do enjoy life but, human experience, whether good or bad, must be subordinate to the eternal. When I pass from this life, the quality of my experiences will have meant nothing. All that matters is the quality of life beyond. If there is not God or if one lives as if there is no God, it is all for nothing.
Yes. It was a very general statement. I was just mentioning how believers and non believers think. I'm not saying either one is right or wrong. But believers will say that they have some sort of personal experience with God and an atheist can't say that. So its one less obstacle for an atheist to contend with if he was confronted with evidence. An atheist has much less ties to sever and much less emotional attachment to their beliefs than a Christian so I believe it would be harder for a Christian to accept evidence than an atheist.
This is my opinion and it might well be wrong. Never said i couldn't Be.
This is my opinion and it might well be wrong. Never said i couldn't Be.
No, I believe you behave the way you do, as most people do, because people are largely are the product of their social environment. From our earliest childhood certain behaviors are instilled in us by our parents and those closest to us. As we mature our behavior begins to be influenced by wider and wider circles of social influences, church, school, neighbors, television, books, etc.... We make choices about how we will respond to restrictions placed upon us by society. Some people's behavior is restrained out of a sense of fear for consequences. Others, those we regard as the more noble of society, are constrained out of a sense of honor and integrity. All of this is nothing more than the impact of socialization on the individual.