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^Thanks I have hit the wall at 90 plus MPH. And turned to God to know truth over errors that I ahve made many a times over and over again. Got off that merry-go-round and around, being spun out of control, stressing and striving to please others and God, found our not possible. So today at rest in trust from God to just love all
I'm sorry, but your response is completely incoherent. The story JesusLives told is not in the Bible, so telling me we have to take God's word and the Bible into perspective answers nothing.
Imagine if someone told you Abe Lincoln slayed zombies? You might be compelled to ask, "Where did you hear about this?" Can you imagine if someone responded, "All the letters and words of Lincoln must be taken into perspective."
If I remember correctly, the story JesusLives told came from a book that was omitted from the Bible when it was being constructed. But, I don't remember for sure. That's why I asked for the source of the story.
Imagine if someone told you Abe Lincoln slayed zombies? You might be compelled to ask, "Where did you hear about this?" Can you imagine if someone responded, "All the letters and words of Lincoln must be taken into perspective."
If I remember correctly, the story JesusLives told came from a book that was omitted from the Bible when it was being constructed. But, I don't remember for sure. That's why I asked for the source of the story.
Einstein thought that the idea of a personal god was naive. For some time he wrote kindly about the idea of 'the God of Spinoza', which most people wouldn't even recognize as a god. Einstein jumped around with the labels of himself depending on who he was talking to, but he most often referred to himself as an agnostic. He did not like calling himself an atheist, but did so when referring to what other people would label him based on their definitions. For example; "From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist." -Einstein, 1945.
As Einstein grew older he had to deal with people accusing him of being an atheist more often. He hated the label, and did not like agreeing with the definition used by the religious who would accused him, but he would often find himself conceding that according to their definitions he would be an atheist. If Einstein did believe in a god then it was nothing like the god of the bible, and those who believed in the god of the bible would more than likely label him to be an atheist or, at the very least, a non-believer.
I find the very concept of an all mighty creator to be a very strange one. It was a bit of a culture shock when I found out that people who lived around me believed in such things. Until I was about 10 years old I thought that religions were pretty much a thing of the past, with the exceptions of some isolated groups of monks living on mountain sides. I didn't learn about religion being so wide spread until my teacher pointed out that a friend of mine was Muslim a few days before the start of Ramadan (which looking back was an EXTREMELY rude thing for her to do). I guess my late exposure to the idea might be what makes it so difficult for me to put myself in the shoes of a believer.
When I was in middle school a gang pushed me down in a bathroom. One of them pulled a knife out on me, and told me that I was going to get what I deserve for rejecting god. This is the most extreme example from my life, but I can tell you that the threats that a lot of atheists receive are no laughing matter. It is probably also good to look at the historical context of how atheists have been persecuted. Until just a few centuries ago, it was very common for people who didn't believe to either be put to death or ostracized. The knowledge of this can make atheists be extremely defensive. Many studies in the United States have shown that atheists are extremely distrusted by the majority of the population. It might be very different in Portugal, but that is not something I can comment on.
As Einstein grew older he had to deal with people accusing him of being an atheist more often. He hated the label, and did not like agreeing with the definition used by the religious who would accused him, but he would often find himself conceding that according to their definitions he would be an atheist. If Einstein did believe in a god then it was nothing like the god of the bible, and those who believed in the god of the bible would more than likely label him to be an atheist or, at the very least, a non-believer.
I find the very concept of an all mighty creator to be a very strange one. It was a bit of a culture shock when I found out that people who lived around me believed in such things. Until I was about 10 years old I thought that religions were pretty much a thing of the past, with the exceptions of some isolated groups of monks living on mountain sides. I didn't learn about religion being so wide spread until my teacher pointed out that a friend of mine was Muslim a few days before the start of Ramadan (which looking back was an EXTREMELY rude thing for her to do). I guess my late exposure to the idea might be what makes it so difficult for me to put myself in the shoes of a believer.
When I was in middle school a gang pushed me down in a bathroom. One of them pulled a knife out on me, and told me that I was going to get what I deserve for rejecting god. This is the most extreme example from my life, but I can tell you that the threats that a lot of atheists receive are no laughing matter. It is probably also good to look at the historical context of how atheists have been persecuted. Until just a few centuries ago, it was very common for people who didn't believe to either be put to death or ostracized. The knowledge of this can make atheists be extremely defensive. Many studies in the United States have shown that atheists are extremely distrusted by the majority of the population. It might be very different in Portugal, but that is not something I can comment on.
We were and are all born after in the same similitude as Adam and Eve ever since they ate from that tree:
So not our fault to how we each are born, and to what we are drawn to magnetically speaking and do>
Sp God so loved us all that we gave us an escape to be right again as Adam and Eve were before they ate from that tree of knowledge, that simple, Mercy from God in understanding us, and loves that much that he sent his Son for us, and only left us to either believe God or not in his love, Mercy to all, maybe time to recieve this Mercy and be as God loving all, not just those that love us only/
Man flesh does that, so how can one be different if one does the same as the Heathen, only being selfish, Which unfortunately ther are many professing Christians that are exactly this selfish to this day, masquerading as if they love all, yet there fruit has and does prove different.
So not our fault to how we each are born, and to what we are drawn to magnetically speaking and do>
Sp God so loved us all that we gave us an escape to be right again as Adam and Eve were before they ate from that tree of knowledge, that simple, Mercy from God in understanding us, and loves that much that he sent his Son for us, and only left us to either believe God or not in his love, Mercy to all, maybe time to recieve this Mercy and be as God loving all, not just those that love us only/
Man flesh does that, so how can one be different if one does the same as the Heathen, only being selfish, Which unfortunately ther are many professing Christians that are exactly this selfish to this day, masquerading as if they love all, yet there fruit has and does prove different.
I think the major sticking point on any of these discussions is that no person, theist or atheist can truly know what is in the mind of another.
In my personal opinion, most faith systems offer an easy way out to the universal unknowns. I have worked with people who are scared of heights, scared of wide open spaces. The world is a big place, and the world doesn't even register on the scale of just the known universe. Some people are scared of the things they don't know or understand. So religion offers some nice comfortable stories and limits and gives responsibility to something which can be comprehended. A world without fear could only be a good thing. The problem comes when people use this tool of comfort and a construct for control of others. Which, unfortunately, every religion in the world has always done. The only leads to intolerance and eventually violence of which there are countless historical and current day references for. So whether you put your trust in a book which bears little or no relations to it's source material or in observations that we can make about the world around us and theoretical models which can be adapted when proven wrong.
Is there a part of me that thinks there is a god? No. Do I have any doubts, yes of course, because scientific knowledge does not deal in true absolutes but only in how we currently understand our world. But that doubt is not replaced with a simple man made construct. Our world is full of unknowns, and each one of those is a prize waiting to be gained.
In my personal opinion, most faith systems offer an easy way out to the universal unknowns. I have worked with people who are scared of heights, scared of wide open spaces. The world is a big place, and the world doesn't even register on the scale of just the known universe. Some people are scared of the things they don't know or understand. So religion offers some nice comfortable stories and limits and gives responsibility to something which can be comprehended. A world without fear could only be a good thing. The problem comes when people use this tool of comfort and a construct for control of others. Which, unfortunately, every religion in the world has always done. The only leads to intolerance and eventually violence of which there are countless historical and current day references for. So whether you put your trust in a book which bears little or no relations to it's source material or in observations that we can make about the world around us and theoretical models which can be adapted when proven wrong.
Is there a part of me that thinks there is a god? No. Do I have any doubts, yes of course, because scientific knowledge does not deal in true absolutes but only in how we currently understand our world. But that doubt is not replaced with a simple man made construct. Our world is full of unknowns, and each one of those is a prize waiting to be gained.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
But read it all in context now that you have a place to start to see, and will as God gives the grant to see if one believes God to start and God shows you the Mercy he has for you through son
But read it all in context now that you have a place to start to see, and will as God gives the grant to see if one believes God to start and God shows you the Mercy he has for you through son
Religion is no more than what am I doing to get God to respond to me, alomg with others in my religious group? Kind of like making God a vending Machine
A relationship with the living God best known through Christ the Son who came to earth to redeem us, is now by Faith in his
Son's finished work, sating since God has reconciled us through Son, then be reconciled to God personally and be that loving person to all whether they beleive or not
Too simple right?
A relationship with the living God best known through Christ the Son who came to earth to redeem us, is now by Faith in his
Son's finished work, sating since God has reconciled us through Son, then be reconciled to God personally and be that loving person to all whether they beleive or not
Too simple right?
Do you use a mobile phone? Mobile Broadband? Watch TV? You can't see the electromagnetic waves which permeate both around and even through you. Yet you use technology which takes advantage of this invisible energy. Are you comparing the technology to God's Influence? Centuries ago this would have been considered mystical energies and magical apparatus. The Visible spectrum of human beings '1 Octave' and audible spectrum '8 octaves' show us only a narrow view of our universe. Through technology we have been able to see much more. The part of the universe has always existed but we could not perceive it until recently. Wondrous, yes. Magical, no.
Thank you for your stories, appreciated and you are loved back as I see you are a loving person, not dogmatic or mad here on this forum, Thank you for that, it shows more love than many really do have.
Have had the same experiences and been kicked out of Churches for what I have said, But not to my shame as I know Goid does just love me and all, whether they chose to beleive God or not.
I am seeing we are choosing to believe God and love as God, it is the people that get in others ways, trying to dogmatically say their belief with no open mind in listening to others, seeing what they say from their point of view
Thanks to all for your point of view, it helps me personally as in elector-magnetic forces that are here on this earth being a constant drawing, a sway to each of us to beleive this way or that.
Have had the same experiences and been kicked out of Churches for what I have said, But not to my shame as I know Goid does just love me and all, whether they chose to beleive God or not.
I am seeing we are choosing to believe God and love as God, it is the people that get in others ways, trying to dogmatically say their belief with no open mind in listening to others, seeing what they say from their point of view
Thanks to all for your point of view, it helps me personally as in elector-magnetic forces that are here on this earth being a constant drawing, a sway to each of us to beleive this way or that.
I attribute the air we all breathe to photosynthesis. This bit from Wikipedia expresses my views:
“Before photosynthesis evolved, Earth's atmosphere had no free oxygen (O[SUB]2[/SUB]). Oxygen was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O[SUB]2[/SUB] as a waste product. These organisms lived long before the first build-up of oxygen in the atmosphere, perhaps as early as 3.5 billion years ago. The oxygen they produced would have almost instantly been removed from the atmosphere by weathering of reduced minerals, most notably iron. This 'mass rusting' led to the deposition of banded iron formations. Oxygen only began to persist in the atmosphere in small quantities about 50 million years before the start of the Great Oxygenation Event.”
Geological history of oxygen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
“Before photosynthesis evolved, Earth's atmosphere had no free oxygen (O[SUB]2[/SUB]). Oxygen was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O[SUB]2[/SUB] as a waste product. These organisms lived long before the first build-up of oxygen in the atmosphere, perhaps as early as 3.5 billion years ago. The oxygen they produced would have almost instantly been removed from the atmosphere by weathering of reduced minerals, most notably iron. This 'mass rusting' led to the deposition of banded iron formations. Oxygen only began to persist in the atmosphere in small quantities about 50 million years before the start of the Great Oxygenation Event.”
Geological history of oxygen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
JesusLives
Lucifer was an angel in heaven with high position became prideful and wanted to be equal to or set himself above God. There was war in heaven and Michael cast out Satan and 1/3 of the angels of heaven.
I just knew your were going to ask, but that's o.k. I am happy to do the research for you and here it is below. Thanks for asking.
Bible Ezekiel 28:
End of verse 12 - Thus says the Lord God;
13 - You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering; The sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx and jasper, sapphire turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you the day you were created.
14 - You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 - You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
Now you might try to say to me that God was talking to the King of Tyre, but the bible also refers to Satan as being the King of Tyre and human kings are not generally referred to as cherubs/angels. God was talking about Lucifer/Satan in the above verses.
When it says cherub that covers it meant that Lucifer was next to God as a covering cherub for God. But because Lucifer was so talented and beautiful he became prideful and wanted to ascend above Gods throne.
Isaiah 14:
13 - For you have said in your heart; I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north;
14 - I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.
Revelation 12:
3 - {First part} - And another sign appeared in heaven; behold, a great, fiery red dragon, (referring to Satan)
4 - His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven, (refers to angels), and threw them to the earth.
Lucifer was an angel in heaven with high position became prideful and wanted to be equal to or set himself above God. There was war in heaven and Michael cast out Satan and 1/3 of the angels of heaven.
I just knew your were going to ask, but that's o.k. I am happy to do the research for you and here it is below. Thanks for asking.
Bible Ezekiel 28:
End of verse 12 - Thus says the Lord God;
13 - You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering; The sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx and jasper, sapphire turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you the day you were created.
14 - You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 - You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
Now you might try to say to me that God was talking to the King of Tyre, but the bible also refers to Satan as being the King of Tyre and human kings are not generally referred to as cherubs/angels. God was talking about Lucifer/Satan in the above verses.
When it says cherub that covers it meant that Lucifer was next to God as a covering cherub for God. But because Lucifer was so talented and beautiful he became prideful and wanted to ascend above Gods throne.
Isaiah 14:
13 - For you have said in your heart; I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north;
14 - I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.
Revelation 12:
3 - {First part} - And another sign appeared in heaven; behold, a great, fiery red dragon, (referring to Satan)
4 - His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven, (refers to angels), and threw them to the earth.
Okay, out of a lifetime here we gain much knowledge, and in one's lifetime can we know all there is to know?
out of 100% knowledge to know all there is to know, can we know it all by the time we die?
So out of 100% knowledge to know, how much can one know by the time one dies?
10%, 20%, 30% say one is really smart like Einstein, would you give him 50%?
No matter what is left 50%, 40%, 90% Can there still not be a God of all? And I am not talking religiously either
Anyway, something, or someone of greater force created all.
out of 100% knowledge to know all there is to know, can we know it all by the time we die?
So out of 100% knowledge to know, how much can one know by the time one dies?
10%, 20%, 30% say one is really smart like Einstein, would you give him 50%?
No matter what is left 50%, 40%, 90% Can there still not be a God of all? And I am not talking religiously either
Anyway, something, or someone of greater force created all.
I am noticing a phrase this morning: "Soul of the cosmos".
A phrase like "soul of the cosmos" seems to ascribe divine or god-like qualities and attributes to the cosmos or universe. The soul has been defined in some circles as the component of a person that includes their mind, will and emotions. I don't want to quibble about this little phrase "soul of the cosmos" but again it seems more consistent with a worldview of pantheism (everything is part of god) rather than a worldview of atheism (there is no god).
I found this phrase in the foreword to the book: The Universe of Peter Max by Peter Max with foreword by Neil deGrasse Tyson (Harper Collins Publishers, 2013).
A phrase like "soul of the cosmos" seems to ascribe divine or god-like qualities and attributes to the cosmos or universe. The soul has been defined in some circles as the component of a person that includes their mind, will and emotions. I don't want to quibble about this little phrase "soul of the cosmos" but again it seems more consistent with a worldview of pantheism (everything is part of god) rather than a worldview of atheism (there is no god).
I found this phrase in the foreword to the book: The Universe of Peter Max by Peter Max with foreword by Neil deGrasse Tyson (Harper Collins Publishers, 2013).
