The people who lived before Christ walked the earth, technically heard the Gospel, but differently than we hear it today. They put their trust in God that the Messiah would come and they were deemed righteous by believing God. So you and I are in agreement. I also like to believe that many people who lived life never hearing of Jesus have salvation through Christ, somehow, someway.
Isaiah 55: Salvation is for ALL
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I believe the scriptures to teach that some of the Jew's righteousness was eternal, depending upon whether they were Jews of the nation of Israel, or the Jews of Jacob, as Israel. Jacob's name was changed by God to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel.(Gen 33:28). Jacob is representative of God's elect (Rom 9:11). There are several words in the scriptures that have different meanings, such as; Israel, world, salvation, and more that I can't call to mind right now.
I would offer. Its not so much is there scripture, but rather how do we hear God . Good works follow after those that Christ's works in to both will and perform his good pleasure. Immediately after that statement in the next verse God reveals without him we can do nothing. He lovingly commands his children don't murmur by looking for a spec in a brothers eye. We all as laborers receive the same reward (a penny )eternal life..
Philippians 2:13-14 King James Version (KJV) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Matthew 20:9-11 King James Version (KJV) And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
As one of the better things that accompany salvation, we are informed that he will not forget the good works we offer towards Him who does work in the these bodies of death.
The first will be last.
A great verse to encouraging us who are yoked with him making our burden lighter.
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. Hebrews 6:9-10
Minsiter the good works he works in us. Perhaps he will cause growth .
Philippians 2:13-14 King James Version (KJV) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Matthew 20:9-11 King James Version (KJV) And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
As one of the better things that accompany salvation, we are informed that he will not forget the good works we offer towards Him who does work in the these bodies of death.
The first will be last.
A great verse to encouraging us who are yoked with him making our burden lighter.
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. Hebrews 6:9-10
Minsiter the good works he works in us. Perhaps he will cause growth .
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Garee,
Here's a tip: When you read a person's post in which they are responding to someone else, read the previous post in the discussion so that you understand the context. Otherwise your post is irrelevant, unhelpful, and usually incoherent.
Once again, in simpler terms: Person A posts something, Person B posts something in response to Person A, and you jump in and respond to Person B without having read Person A's post. It's going to bring about confusion rather than understanding. Please take the time to understand the broader issue before responding.
Here's a tip: When you read a person's post in which they are responding to someone else, read the previous post in the discussion so that you understand the context. Otherwise your post is irrelevant, unhelpful, and usually incoherent.
Once again, in simpler terms: Person A posts something, Person B posts something in response to Person A, and you jump in and respond to Person B without having read Person A's post. It's going to bring about confusion rather than understanding. Please take the time to understand the broader issue before responding.
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It is your contention then that Acts 15 sustains what you stated? Pasted here for reference: As for Gentiles, before Paul, they have to be saved as a Jew. Gentiles could only be saved as a Jew, meaning they have to be willing to be circumcised and under the Law of Moses (Exodus 12:48). There was no other way a Gentile can be saved.
I believe those would then be Jews who converted to the teachings of Christ, in Acts 15.
Verse 1 Except ye be circumcised, etc. - The persons who taught this doctrine appear to have been converts to Christianity; but, supposing that the Christian religion was intended to perfect the Mosaic, and not to supersede it, they insisted on the necessity of circumcision, because, by that, a man was made debtor to the whole law, to observe all its rites and ceremonies. This question produced great disturbance in the apostolic Church; and, notwithstanding the decree mentioned in this chapter, the apostles were frequently obliged to interpose their authority in order to settle it; and we find a whole Church, that at Galatia, drawn aside from the simplicity of the Christian faith by the subtilty of Judaizing teachers among themselves, who insisted on the necessity of the converted Gentiles being circumcised.
Ye cannot be saved - Ye can neither enjoy God's blessing in time, nor his glory in eternity. Such an assertion as this, from any reputable authority, must necessarily shake the confidence of young converts.
Verse 1 Except ye be circumcised, etc. - The persons who taught this doctrine appear to have been converts to Christianity; but, supposing that the Christian religion was intended to perfect the Mosaic, and not to supersede it, they insisted on the necessity of circumcision, because, by that, a man was made debtor to the whole law, to observe all its rites and ceremonies. This question produced great disturbance in the apostolic Church; and, notwithstanding the decree mentioned in this chapter, the apostles were frequently obliged to interpose their authority in order to settle it; and we find a whole Church, that at Galatia, drawn aside from the simplicity of the Christian faith by the subtilty of Judaizing teachers among themselves, who insisted on the necessity of the converted Gentiles being circumcised.
Ye cannot be saved - Ye can neither enjoy God's blessing in time, nor his glory in eternity. Such an assertion as this, from any reputable authority, must necessarily shake the confidence of young converts.
There are no lost Tribes. And God does not change the way he works when he was working the first 6 days. ..He works by His faith as a labor of His love.
It was the same spirit of faith that comes from hearing God in the old or the new, (one Spirit, one faith ) We look back to the reformation they looked forward to that glory.
1 Peter 1:10-12 King James Version (KJV) Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
They clearly had the same gospel. . . not building a faith on the things seen the temporal. Walking by sight .Jesus said to them. . . unless you see as a sign you will not believe. Calling them faithless.
If any man has not the "faith of Christ" not seen. They simply do not belong to Him.
2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
It was the same spirit of faith that comes from hearing God in the old or the new, (one Spirit, one faith ) We look back to the reformation they looked forward to that glory.
1 Peter 1:10-12 King James Version (KJV) Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
They clearly had the same gospel. . . not building a faith on the things seen the temporal. Walking by sight .Jesus said to them. . . unless you see as a sign you will not believe. Calling them faithless.
If any man has not the "faith of Christ" not seen. They simply do not belong to Him.
2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Obviously if you are Abraham, Issac or Jacob, you will feel very much secure in your salvation.
However, going down the line, the security gets lesser and lesser. King David was apparently very worried that God will take the Holy Spirit away from him after he committed adultery with Bathsheba. Psalm 51:11
As Paul revealed later on, David saw in the future a blessed group of believers, which is us under the grace dispensation, whose salvation is so secure that God will never impute sins to our account. Romans 4
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
However, going down the line, the security gets lesser and lesser. King David was apparently very worried that God will take the Holy Spirit away from him after he committed adultery with Bathsheba. Psalm 51:11
As Paul revealed later on, David saw in the future a blessed group of believers, which is us under the grace dispensation, whose salvation is so secure that God will never impute sins to our account. Romans 4
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.