Isaiah 55: Salvation is for ALL

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ForestGreenCook

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David first son was put to death by God due to his adultery. His sin was imputed to him.
If he was one of those that God gave to his Son, then he has the imputed righteousness of Christ.
 

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You and I were saved by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Is that how they were saved? Were they even saved?
Yes, they were saved. Can you imagine your favorite Old Testament prophet or patriarch being condemned for eternity? :( Bummer.
They were saved by faith, because even though they followed the law they knew the law did not save. The law was intended to have a people comport themselves righteously and morally. It did not save people.
The Book of Habakuk 2
4. Behold, his soul is puffed up, it is not [d]upright in him; but the righteous shall live [e]by his faith.
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John146

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Yes, they were saved. Can you imagine your favorite Old Testament prophet or patriarch being condemned for eternity? :( Bummer.
They were saved by faith, because even though they followed the law they knew the law did not save. The law was intended to have a people comport themselves righteously and morally. It did not save people.
The Book of Habakuk 2
4. Behold, his soul is puffed up, it is not [d]upright in him; but the righteous shall live [e]by his faith.
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Faith in what? The d,b,r like you and I? You and I were saved instantly upon belief having Christ’s righteousness imputed to us. They did not have Christ’s righteousness imputed to them, if so, they would have been present with the Lord upon death.
 

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Faith in what? The d,b,r like you and I? You and I were saved instantly upon belief having Christ’s righteousness imputed to us. They did not have Christ’s righteousness imputed to them, if so, they would have been present with the Lord upon death.
The Saint Apostle Paul's letter (epistle) to the Romans chapter 4
4 What then shall we say [a]that Abraham, [b]our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified [c]by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? [d]And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,

[e]Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness. 10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision.....
 
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If he was one of those that God gave to his Son, then he has the imputed righteousness of Christ.
Read the bible literally. David was punished by God for committing adultery.

Do you understand what the term imputed righteousness means?
 

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Read the bible literally. David was punished by God for committing adultery.

Do you understand what the term imputed righteousness means?
After we are born again we are in Christ and Christ is in us. We, by nature have no righteousness of our own, we are but filthy rags, the only righteousness that we have is the righteousness of Christ imputed to us and in us. David was reborn the same way that we are today.
 
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After we are born again we are in Christ and Christ is in us. We, by nature have no righteousness of our own, we are but filthy rags, the only righteousness that we have is the righteousness of Christ imputed to us and in us.
You keep using the term imputed righteousness without understanding what it meant.

So if David was punished by God for his sin, how can jesus righteousness be imputed to him?

God punish the same sin twice?
 

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You keep using the term imputed righteousness without understanding what it meant.

So if David was punished by God for his sin, how can jesus righteousness be imputed to him?

God punish the same sin twice?
The Book of Romans chapter 4 speaks of King David's sins.
6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
[e]Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.


As does the song of king David. The Psalm chapter 51
 

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The Book of Romans chapter 4 speaks of King David's sins.
6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
[e]Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.


As does the song of king David. The Psalm chapter 51
David was a sinner saved by God's grace. He repented of his sins, even adultery and murder, and God forgave him.
 

ForestGreenCook

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You keep using the term imputed righteousness without understanding what it meant.

So if David was punished by God for his sin, how can jesus righteousness be imputed to him?

God punish the same sin twice?
There is no one, besides Christ, that does not sin. When you sin do you feel the chastening rod of God that pricks your heart that brings you to repent of that sin? We do not lose the imputed righteousness of Christ when we sin. When we sin we lose our fellowship with God until we repent. We do not lose our eternal inheritance every time we sin. Once we have been born again and have the imputed righteousness of Christ we never at any time lose our new birth. Yes, God does punish the same sin twice. Those that Christ died for are looked upon by God as holy and without blame as far as our eternal life is concerned.
 
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There is no one, besides Christ, that does not sin. When you sin do you feel the chastening rod of God that pricks your heart that brings you to repent of that sin? We do not lose the imputed righteousness of Christ when we sin. When we sin we lose our fellowship with God until we repent. We do not lose our eternal inheritance every time we sin. Once we have been born again and have the imputed righteousness of Christ we never at any time lose our new birth. Yes, God does punish the same sin twice. Those that Christ died for are looked upon by God as holy and without blame as far as our eternal life is concerned.
Okay your understanding of the term "imputed righteousness" is very different.
 
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The Book of Romans chapter 4 speaks of King David's sins.
6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
[e]Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.


As does the song of king David. The Psalm chapter 51
You are one who believes that David was talking about himself in that Romans passage?