Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end

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Locutus

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Of the increase of government spending there shall be no end - Trump 15:6

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JaumeJ

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To those who have never listened to the posts explaining about the law and grace according to Jesus Christ, although you will most likely go along with the votes and not pay attention.

Our Savior did not lie when He said He came to fulfill the law and not destroy it.

He did so in many ways and is yet doing it within all of us. The Word does not say the law was destroyed on the cross rather its power, death, was destroyed, that curse you should already know about.

Because of this we are not under the law, that is, its power. Yet we are to obey God.

Do not say in your heart, "Because I am free of the power of the law, I may disobey Jesus Christ, God." We are to obey all the laws not yet fulfileld, and as long as we are in the flesh they are not yet.

None of us will be perfected until God finishes His work within us, that work He began once we each called upon Jesus Christ. You and I are not doing this work, but we are yielding to God's will working within each of us.

Yes, our Father overlooks the guilt of our sin now just as in Psalm 32, but this is not to say we are to break the laws that remain, very few by the way.

If you do not know all of this, learn it and more. Do you believe killing is now allowed? You do not know Love, and God is Love.

Do you have parents? Are you to disrespect them? I do not think so, even if they are wicked there is a certain amount of respect yet due them, or did you bring yourself into this age?

I speak from certain experience which very few have experienced. Do yo forgive all who have wronged you?

If your attitude is to continue arguing that we are free to disobey, I am afraid your piety is feigned and will not endure the wash. God bless all who hear Jesus Christ and do His Word, amen

Please forgive my missplacing the post pasted here……….Now I cannot find where I wanted it to be...…..
 

posthuman

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Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

In the above John sees the "new heaven and earth" - the same heaven and earth Isaiah predicted:

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

But then Isaiah tells us that there is still physical death and sinning:

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

^ There's yer generations for ever and ever.

More could be said on "death" through the Law but it gets unwieldy in one post.
is Isaiah speaking of the millineum or of after it?
re: Revelation 20:1-10 or so, a period of time when Christ reigns, yet even with Him seated on the throne men rebel against Him.
 

luigi

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Will human procreation here on earth always continue? How can God's Kingdom keep increasing if there's going to be a finite number of people entering into it? And as an aside, What about pregnant women who are Christians and who are alive when Jesus Christ returns? Will they go on to give birth once they receive their glorified bodies?

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
In order for the Lords governance to increase continually on the earth, there would have to be a continual new supply of individuals, on the earth. There are also scriptures which state the saints will rule over the people with a rod of iron.
Likewise, the saints who are given a certain amount to work with now and produce positive results are given a corresponding number of cities to rule over after their resurrection.
 

plcarver

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In eternity future there will be no sin . . . it will have been totally eradicated. Had Adam not fallen in the garden all of his offspring would have been born entirely free of sin and would have no need of redemption. Likewise those that are born in eternity future.
Rev 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Then who are all these sinners who exist living outside the gates of the city?
 
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What about it? Revelation 22 is not eternity future, it is still in the present for John. He is being told that Jesus will come quickly when He does and all these things will happen. How about perhaps you read more than just a couple of words and yell gotcha! m'kay?

Eternity future will happen after everything that needs to be done is done . . . no bad doggies then.
 

plcarver

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What about it? Revelation 22 is not eternity future, it is still in the present for John. He is being told that Jesus will come quickly when He does and all these things will happen. How about perhaps you read more than just a couple of words and yell gotcha! m'kay?

You need not sound so conceited. What couple of words did i not read?

Eternity future will happen after everything that needs to be done is done . . . no bad doggies then.
 
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I get like that with people that purport themselves to know what they are talking about when they haven't a clue. My bad, though, it should have been a couple of verses. They have nothing to do with eternity future . . . because, uh, that is in the future.
 

plcarver

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I get like that with people that purport themselves to know what they are talking about when they haven't a clue. My bad, though, it should have been a couple of verses. They have nothing to do with eternity future . . . because, uh, that is in the future.
I get like that with people that purport themselves to know what they are talking about when they haven't a clue. My bad, though, it should have been a couple of verses. They have nothing to do with eternity future . . . because, uh, that is in the future.
i'm sorry you have the propensity to become conceited everytime you converse with someone more ignorant than yourself rather than correct them in a godly manner. i simply asked a question with no intention of looking like a know-it-all, sorry for that.
 
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i'm sorry you have the propensity to become conceited everytime you converse with someone more ignorant than yourself rather than correct them in a godly manner. i simply asked a question with no intention of looking like a know-it-all, sorry for that.
Okay, I jumped the gun on you. I apologize for that. I took it in a different light from how you presented it. Lot's of wolves on this site and I need to be more careful in my responses.

Anyway, do you see that those verse you quoted are not referring to eternity future? In the context Jesus is telling John that all His revelation will happen quickly when it comes.

Again, I am sorry for my response. I suppose the two 'likes' from Luigi and Jaumej added to my response. Maybe it was they to whom my darts were fired.