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[awelight]

All of God's attributes flow from His LOVE.

God is Righteous because He is LOVE.
God is Just because He is LOVE.
God is Wise because He is LOVE.
God is Jealous because He is LOVE.
God is Wrathful because He is LOVE.
God is Vengeful because He is LOVE.
God is Merciful because He is LOVE.
God is Holy because He is LOVE.

Love is not only gentle and kind, Love can also be fierce and unrelenting..... It never fails. LOVE is always VICTORIOUS.

How can I NOT think about LOVE when I think about God??!!! I cannot separate the TWO....they are ONE and the SAME.

Somehow, I expected you to answer in this way. In my experience, the only ones that believe what you posted, are also identified with the Charismatic movement. With a few exceptions.

Scripture clearly says God Is Holy. In Isaiah, He is said to be Holy, Holy, Holy. Therefore - Everything flows from His Holy nature. We are commanded to be holy, as God is Holy. Love is just one of His attributes but is not higher or lower than the others. Just as Mercy is equal to Justice. His Holiness demands satisfaction when the Law was broken. His Love was expressed when He showed unmerited Mercy upon some.

However, His Love is not so great as to excuse all Trespasses and sin. If it were, His other attributes would be debased. Therefore, when Adam and Eve broke the only commandment they had, His Holy Justice demanded death.

You probably won't except this from me but I always have hope.

 

[joecoten]

I was born into a family. I was given the family name. I never stopped being my father's son and he never stopped being my father.
I was born into God's family. I took on His name. I became my Father's son and He became my Father. It was His will to adopt me. I will never stop being His son. He will never stop being my Father.

 

[awelight]

I was throwing no shade on you but asked why you said: "I assume to much"? Assume too much in what way?

I would suggest you slow down and read posts more clearly. I did not throw water ON YOUR LOVE FEST - that was not posted to you. It was posted to Lafftur.

Aw, man, that's twice today. Sorry about that. I'm having problems with my mouse...and my meds.
There are many believers who are infants and seem to stay that way. If you had been talking to me, you would've assumed I knew little about God's attributes, which is not so. God's love in Christ is absolute and unconditional.
Now I see that I've always been saved and always will be saved. If you are one of those that go on about "a license to sin," then you assume too much.
God is love. Everything He does comes from His love.

Hey - no worries. I have posted to the wrong person on several occasions. It happens.

Once a person is Born Again and understands God's message for him - he cannot go on sinning as a lifestyle. He may occasionally sin but not live in it. The only ones that believe in a "license to sin" are the antinomians.

 

[Lafftur]

Somehow, I expected you to answer in this way. In my experience, the only ones that believe what you posted, are also identified with the Charismatic movement. With a few exceptions.

Scripture clearly says God Is Holy. In Isaiah, He is said to be Holy, Holy, Holy. Therefore - Everything flows from His Holy nature. We are commanded to be holy, as God is Holy. Love is just one of His attributes but is not higher or lower than the others. Just as Mercy is equal to Justice. His Holiness demands satisfaction when the Law was broken. His Love was expressed when He showed unmerited Mercy upon some.

However, His Love is not so great as to excuse all Trespasses and sin. If it were, His other attributes would be debased. Therefore, when Adam and Eve broke the only commandment they had, His Holy Justice demanded death.

You probably won't except this from me but I always have hope.

Somehow I expected you to answer in this way....lol!

You believe that Love is just one of His attributes......hmmm..... Nope! Love is His Character....WHO He Is. All His attributes are evidence of His Character of LOVE.

Go, talk to Him.... ask Him about LOVE.... Enjoy!

 

[joecoten]

Somehow I expected you to answer in this way....lol!

You believe that Love is just one of His attributes......hmmm..... Nope! Love is His Character....WHO He Is. All His attributes are evidence of His Character of LOVE.

Go, talk to Him.... ask Him about LOVE.... Enjoy!

Those Charismatics...always talking about the love of God. He's ho-ho-holy! lol

 

[joecoten]

John Wimber, the founder of the Vineyard movement, once had a vision of God’s mercy. While driving his car he saw an unusual cloud in the sky. He stopped to have a better look, and as he did so he realized it wasn’t a cloud but a honeycomb that was dripping with honey. Below it he saw people. Some were excited about the honey that rained down and they ran about collecting it and sharing it with each other. Others were irritated by the honey that dropped on them and they tried to get away from it.
When John asked God what it was, God said “That’s my mercy, for some people it’s a blessing and for some people it’s not … look at it, there’s plenty for everyone.”

 

[Lafftur]

I don't know why people go around slapping labels on people.... charismatics, antinomians (whatever that means! lol!), baptist, calvinists, universalists, methodist, catholics, 7th day adventist, shakers and quakers, etc......blah, blah, blah....

All these labels only divide us and cause confusion. Just a bunch of Lies and Truth twisted together forcing its members into "Works" - causing them to focus on all the does and don'ts of their "label" instead of knowing and loving God.

The simplicity of Jesus Christ is knowing and loving God, loving others and ourselves all in a healthy way that is pleasing in God's sight, according to God's Word and God's Holy Spirit which leads us, teaches us, guides us, comforts us, counsels us, instructs us, corrects us...

Knowing God loves me is not a "license to sin" - who in their right mind could think such a thing as that?!

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I would suggest you slow down and read posts more clearly. I did not throw water ON YOUR LOVE FEST - that was not posted to you. It was posted to Lafftur.

I was throwing no shade on you but asked why you said: "I assume to much"? Assume too much in what way?

I read and reread the post.
Perhaps you are confusing me with Joe?

 

[Lafftur]

I read and reread the post.
Perhaps you are confusing me with Joe?

Oh dear, too funny!

So sorry @HealthAndHappiness and @joecoten - looks like both of you got caught in the crossfire of @awelight and me. Got to learn how to duck! lol!

awelight meant the post for me, no worries.

 

[Magenta]

Oh dear....

Everybody be careful... pride may be causing some strife in the camp.....

When the Holy Spirit opens our understanding and teaches us what the scriptures mean.... the knowledge we receive from God does NOT and will NEVER puff us up with pride which causes us to attack each other and/or we feel the need to declare how much study we have done during our lifetime or pull out all the seminary degrees and big words. lol!

Rather, the knowledge we receive from God will HUMBLE us, making us gentle towards each other when discussing scripture. For we know, that we only know what we know, because God in His GREAT mercy revealed His Truth to us.

Many of us will feel a little guilt from reading your post. Every word in your post is exactly right.

What came to me was a little poem:

I know I know
Because God sowed
His Living Word in me

 

[awelight]

I read and reread the post.
Perhaps you are confusing me with Joe?

The post might not have attached properly and yes, it was for another.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I don't want to be the one throwing cold water on your Love Fest and God is a God of Love. However, you do realize that God has other attributes - right? He is Righteous, Just, Wise, Jealous, Wrathful, Vengeful.... etc.

Should not these other Attributes get equal attention?
Did you know that there is not one verse of Scripture that authorizes believers to tell someone that "God loves them"?

Emphasizing "Love" apart from a proper understanding of Sin and the need for Repentance, helps no one. It may indeed give that person the illusion that God loves them in their sins and thus have no true knowledge of what genuine Repentance is nor what it looks like.

while we were yet sinners Christ died for us

thats Love.

His love for us as sinners. so great he paid the price.

God is a god of love. the gospel is all about Gods love.. We better share it, thats the good news.

 

[Lafftur]

It's so freeing to be like a child and see through eyes of God's Love....

 

[awelight]

I don't know why people go around slapping labels on people.... charismatics, antinomians (whatever that means! lol!), baptist, calvinists, universalists, methodist, catholics, 7th day adventist, shakers and quakers, etc......blah, blah, blah....

All these labels only divide us and cause confusion. Just a bunch of Lies and Truth twisted together forcing its members into "Works" - causing them to focus on all the does and don'ts of their "label" instead of knowing and loving God.

The simplicity of Jesus Christ is knowing and loving God, loving others and ourselves all in a healthy way that is pleasing in God's sight, according to God's Word and God's Holy Spirit which leads us, teaches us, guides us, comforts us, counsels us, instructs us, corrects us...

Knowing God loves me is not a "license to sin" - who in their right mind could think such a thing as that?!

Let's see now - the issue of labels.

I guess you don't like being called a Christian. Maybe have a problem with the term Gospel - which is a complicated series of Doctrines - placed under a single word. Anti-Eternal Election and Predestinationist , love using the term Calvinist when talking to those who believe in both. Labels are nothing more than a shortcut form of a more complicated subject.

You asked about an Antinomian. It is the combination of two Greek words - Nomos (Law) and Anti (Opposite or Reversed) - Put together meaning "Anti Law" or "Without Law". Therefore an Antinomian, is one who believes that ALL of the God's Law has been done away with. Perhaps you should spend a little more time studying.

You said:
The simplicity of Jesus Christ is knowing and loving God, loving others and ourselves all in a healthy way that is pleasing in God's sight, according to God's Word and God's Holy Spirit which leads us, teaches us, guides us, comforts us, counsels us, instructs us, corrects us...

While all of this is true - it can be imitated by the flesh. How do you know that you are genuinely saved? This is why we study the Doctrines because in them is the assurance of the Faith. Our hearts are desperately wicked and everyone of us can be deceived. By others or ourselves. Therefore Scripture says the following about others:

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

It says the following about ourselves:

2Co 13:5 Try your own selves, whether ye are in the faith; prove your own selves. Or know ye not as to your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you? unless indeed ye be reprobate.

Here is one of those trial questions:

1Jn 2:15-7 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vainglory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abides for ever.

Just trying to help.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Let's see now - the issue of labels.

I guess you don't like being called a Christian. Maybe have a problem with the term Gospel - which is a complicated series of Doctrines - placed under a single word. Anti-Eternal Election and Predestinationist , love using the term Calvinist when talking to those who believe in both. Labels are nothing more than a shortcut form of a more complicated subject.

You asked about an Antinomian. It is the combination of two Greek words - Nomos (Law) and Anti (Opposite or Reversed) - Put together meaning "Anti Law" or "Without Law". Therefore an Antinomian, is one who believes that ALL of the God's Law has been done away with. Perhaps you should spend a little more time studying.

You said:
The simplicity of Jesus Christ is knowing and loving God, loving others and ourselves all in a healthy way that is pleasing in God's sight, according to God's Word and God's Holy Spirit which leads us, teaches us, guides us, comforts us, counsels us, instructs us, corrects us...

While all of this is true - it can be imitated by the flesh. How do you know that you are genuinely saved? This is why we study the Doctrines because in them is the assurance of the Faith. Our hearts are desperately wicked and everyone of us can be deceived. By others or ourselves. Therefore Scripture says the following about others:

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

It says the following about ourselves:

2Co 13:5 Try your own selves, whether ye are in the faith; prove your own selves. Or know ye not as to your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you? unless indeed ye be reprobate.

Here is one of those trial questions:

1Jn 2:15-7 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vainglory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abides for ever.

Just trying to help.

the problem is people label someone. and everyone assumes they know who and what they are.

As we have seen in this chatroom. most of the time the ones who think, are wrong.

I agree with my sister. lets dis the labels and just look at the word.

 

[awelight]

while we were yet sinners Christ died for us

thats Love.

His love for us as sinners. so great he paid the price.

God is a god of love. the gospel is all about Gods love.. We better share it, thats the good news.

I am well aware of God's love and have no idea why He would want to save a wretch like me!

I am able to Love God because He first loved me. Many say they believe this and even quote it but have no idea what it really means. They think God's Love starts and stops in Jesus Christ's sacrifice. Jesus Christ's sacrifice is a manifestation of God's Love and opened the door for it's fullest expression.

However God's Love goes all the way back to Eternity. It is best described in these verses:

Eph 1:3-9 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love: having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved: in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, making known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he purposed in him.

The question is, how many believe what this says? If one reads the red highlights and puts them together - they will see a great Truth.

 

[Lafftur]

Let's see now - the issue of labels.

I guess you don't like being called a Christian. Maybe have a problem with the term Gospel - which is a complicated series of Doctrines - placed under a single word. Anti-Eternal Election and Predestinationist , love using the term Calvinist when talking to those who believe in both. Labels are nothing more than a shortcut form of a more complicated subject.

You asked about an Antinomian. It is the combination of two Greek words - Nomos (Law) and Anti (Opposite or Reversed) - Put together meaning "Anti Law" or "Without Law". Therefore an Antinomian, is one who believes that ALL of the God's Law has been done away with. Perhaps you should spend a little more time studying.

You said:
The simplicity of Jesus Christ is knowing and loving God, loving others and ourselves all in a healthy way that is pleasing in God's sight, according to God's Word and God's Holy Spirit which leads us, teaches us, guides us, comforts us, counsels us, instructs us, corrects us...

While all of this is true - it can be imitated by the flesh. How do you know that you are genuinely saved? This is why we study the Doctrines because in them is the assurance of the Faith. Our hearts are desperately wicked and everyone of us can be deceived. By others or ourselves. Therefore Scripture says the following about others:

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

It says the following about ourselves:

2Co 13:5 Try your own selves, whether ye are in the faith; prove your own selves. Or know ye not as to your own selves, that Jesus Christ is in you? unless indeed ye be reprobate.

Here is one of those trial questions:

1Jn 2:15-7 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vainglory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abides for ever.

Just trying to help.

Oh dear....@awelight,

I believe you are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit but, you need the baptism of the Holy Spirit! You're relying on yourself too much. Let the Holy Spirit teach you and lead you and guide you into ALL TRTUTH. He's wonderful!

The Gospel is NOT a complicated series of doctrines... it is easily understood.... God doesn't use big words with me, He speaks plain, clearly and very simple... even a child can understand.

Just humble yourself and ask Jesus Christ to baptize you with the Holy Spirit so He can teach you and empower you to do the works of God. There is great joy and peace and love with God.

Dear Heavenly Father,

Help awelight to humble himself and receive the Holy Spirit baptism, in the Name of Jesus Christ. Thank You Father, amen.

 

[Magenta]

Eph 1:3-9 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love: having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved: in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, making known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he purposed in him.

From Ephesians 1:4-6

Ephesians 1:5-6

 

[awelight]

From Ephesians 1:4-6

Ephesians 1:5-6

In these verses - I say amen.

 

[awelight]

Oh dear....@awelight,

I believe you are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit but, you need the baptism of the Holy Spirit! You're relying on yourself too much. Let the Holy Spirit teach you and lead you and guide you into ALL TRTUTH. He's wonderful!

The Gospel is NOT a complicated series of doctrines... it is easily understood.... God doesn't use big words with me, He speaks plain, clearly and very simple... even a child can understand.

Just humble yourself and ask Jesus Christ to baptize you with the Holy Spirit so He can teach you and empower you to do the works of God. There is great joy and peace and love with God.

Dear Heavenly Father,

Help awelight to humble himself and receive the Holy Spirit baptism, in the Name of Jesus Christ. Thank You Father, amen.

I appreciate your concern but I am baptized in the Holy Spirit - just as everyone is that has been Born Again.

This is why Doctrine is so important. Your understanding of the Baptism of the Spirit will not hold up to Scripture teaching. Scripture does not teach nor is there any term called Baptism of the Spirit, except in Matthew 3:11 and John_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizes with the Holy Spirit.

In John 1:33 - The Greek word for Baptizes, is a very unique verb. It is used as a Future Perfect Active Indicative. It means, that what Christ will do will have everlasting effect.

No where else in Scripture is the term "Baptizing" and "Spirit" found together as an active event. It is found in looking back at what has happened. Every believer - then and today - are immersed in the Holy Spirit upon Regeneration and Conversion.

1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The words marked in red are Past Tense events. Since you are a believer - you have been placed in the body of Christ. For what purpose?

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

This Baptism was a corporate event not individual. The Jewish believers were all impowered and immersed in the Spirit at Pentecost and later the Gentiles would receive the same. Thus, to the Jews first then to the Gentiles. These two events covered all Jews and Gentiles. Read and study it for yourself. No solitary individual has ever experienced this according to Scripture. How many were assembled at Pentecost? How many were assembled when the Gentiles received it? Where in Scripture does it say this event took place again or on any solitary individual? The Charismatics have adulterated what is really taught. They rely on their experiences rather than the Word of God. Come out from this error.