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Jesus Christ came to this earth to take away all our sins....most of you already know that i suppose....but do any of you know about the FINISHED work at the cross?? Most Christians only believe in half this truth....BUT, to go to heaven, you NEED to know and BELIEVE that Jesus came to this earth and took all the sins of the world unto him when He was baptized by John the Baptist at the River of Jordan. Three years later, he went to the Cross, and DIED. And three days later, HE ROSE AGAIN and is now seated at the right hand of God...And HE WILL BE COMING BACK AGAIN!!

That is the finished work at the Cross,Jesus WANTS us to believe in THAT!!! But most importantly, He wants us to believe that WE are SINLESS and RIGHTEOUS!! Yes, we may sin, but Jesus wants us to believe that he already took all the sins of the world unto Him ONCE AND FOR ALL.. like He said on the Cross, IT IS FINISHED!!!

The Gospel Truth of the water and the Spirit ( baptism, death and Resurrection of Jesus) has BROKEN our slavery to sin once and for all. This is the truth of the Gospel of Righteousness that God has given to us in Christ. Read Romans 6:6-11 and John 8:34-36.

One can only become sinless and righteous by faith in believing in the ABSOLUTE finished work of Christ through the Gospel Truth of the water and Spirit.When we realize this truth and walk by faith, the Holy Spirit makes it a reality for us. The power of sin is broken by grace, Not self effort. Any other way puts people in a never ending cycle of defeat and sin. This is because our focus is turned in on the problem itself. Self is still the center. God's way was to place self and all it's problems on the baptism and death of Jesus on the Cross. Read 2 Timothy 3:5 , Galatians 2:21 and Galatians 3:27.

Jesus was sinless, BUT then, He BECAME OUR Bearer OF SIN...

The Gospel Truth of the water and Spirit is God's complete answer to the problem of sin. the Gospel releases a tremendous power of God's grace in all it's truth to attain FREEDOM IN Christ.​
 
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I like the post.
 
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BUT, to go to heaven, you NEED to know and BELIEVE that Jesus came to this earth and took all the sins of the world unto him when He was baptized by John the Baptist at the River of Jordan.
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Thats works salvation, for believing is an action of man. This statement seems to be saying that one must perform this act of believing to get saved ! Or am I not understanding it correctly ?
 
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Thats works salvation, for believing is an action of man. This statement seems to be saying that one must perform this act of believing to get saved ! Or am I not understanding it correctly ?
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Believing in the finished work of Christ on the cross for salvation is not "works salvation" for one cannot neither have peace with God nor get to Heaven without faith...
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house (Acts 16:31).

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation (Rom 10:10).

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Eph 2:8).

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him (Heb 11:6).
 
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Believing in the finished work of Christ on the cross for salvation is not "works salvation
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Yes it is. Do you deny that believing is something man does ?
 
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Yes it is. Do you deny that believing is something man does ?
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Faith and repentance is man's response (submission to God with a broken heart and contrite spirit) to the Holy Spirit's conviction. The Spirit's conviction also results in man's assurance that Christ's sacrifice on the cross is sufficient to cleanse all their sins. As per scripture, man HAS to believe and confess to God to be saved: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation (Rom 10:10).

If one doesn't have to believe then Muslims, Pagans, Atheists, etc., will get to Heaven too without faith in Jesus.
 
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The concept that we don't have to do anything because that would be works is pure error.

When the Bible says it is not of works it means not of works done apart from the grace of God. Simply put, man cannot be saved in rejecting the will of God and turning to his own methodology, whether it be "law" or some other means.

Satan wants people to believe that "not of works" means "do nothing and God will do it all." It is not true, men must submit and yield and access the grace of God via a working obedient faith.

Jesus stated very clearly that it is the DOERS of the word that will inherit the kingdom. Jesus never taught that God would do it for you. God leads and we follow. Following is doing, obedience, yielding, submission, abiding, walking in the light etc.

Don't be deceived by those who would twist "not of works" into "do nothing and wait for God to make you do it."

God won't be mocked and if we sow to the Spirit (do according to God's lead) we will inherit eternal life, if we sow to the flesh we will reap corruption.

God leaves the choice of who we serve up to us.
 
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Jesus stated very clearly that it is the DOERS of the word that will inherit the kingdom. Jesus never taught that God would do it for you. God leads and we follow. Following is doing, obedience, yielding, submission, abiding, walking in the light etc.
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I concur. A saving relationship with Jesus is one where the believer is relying and yielding to the Spirit's lead instead of the dictates of the flesh. Galatians 5:25 - If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 
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It is our "free will" given to us by God..
In that there is a "choice" to receive or deny what Has already been done .
The work was finished by God the decision is ours to make to recieve this "free" grace
 
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In that there is a "choice" to receive or deny what Has already been done .
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Thats works salvation. For receiving or denying is an act of man !
 
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When the Bible says it is not of works it means not of works done apart from the grace of God.
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It says not of works, or works of righteousness which we have done. Eph 2:8=9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Also you cannot mix grace with our works Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
 
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It says not of works, or works of righteousness which we have done. Eph 2:8=9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Also you cannot mix grace with our works Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more (NOT) of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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It is not "works" to believe the next bus is coming in five minutes time, that is faith, in this case faith in the bus company.

Works are visiting the fatherless and widows in their affliction (and similar things), and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Jas 1:27

The scripture you posted confirms it is God's grace, NOT our works.
 
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Sved if you don't believe or have faith how are you saved? By grace? You believe that right. This is Kinda like beating a dead horse... The OP is nice though!

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It seems that you are intent on starting a Calvinist battle in a place where no one is warring. There are many threads on the Calvanism vs Arminianism thing, perhaps that would be a better place for your argument.

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It is not "works" to believe
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It is a work to believe, its an act of the mind. The word work is the greek word ergon and means:

work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.

/érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).


any product whatever, anything accomplished by hand, art, industry, mind

Do you deny that believing is an action or deed of the mind ?
 
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It is a work to believe, its an act of the mind. The word work is the greek word ergon and means:

work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.

/érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).


any product whatever, anything accomplished by hand, art, industry, mind

Do you deny that believing is an action or deed of the mind ?
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The word used in the Bible (works G2041 er'-gon) means to toil (as an effort or occupation); by implication a physical act: - deed, doing, labour, work.

What the Bible is saying is that we are not saved by our works (labour). In modern parlance it is saying our works don't earn us any brownie points.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost (KJV)

(We are saved not by service but to serve others.)
 
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It says not of works, or works of righteousness which we have done. Eph 2:8=9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Also you cannot mix grace with our works Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
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You missed a verse
Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV
(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

So according to these verses we are saved by grace through faith for good works.
 
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