It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

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If they do not have to persevere to be saved, then you neglect Jesus words.

He said this, not me. I even gave you the scripture that showed Him saying to persevere to be saved.

I am sorry you don't either like or agree with this scripture, but it is from the Lord.

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So salvation is based on your ability or willingness to stand, in other words, it is based on your own merit.

Thanks you just proved what I have been saying all along.



I never said you were. No one deserves eternal life. But that is not the context of matt 24. It is being saved physically from the great persecution. And being alive when Christ returns to set up his kingdom.



They do not have to persevere to be saved, (eternally) that would be salvation based on himan merit, not the work of God. Rev shows many who died in this time who have been saved, they did not persevere to the end now did they? yet they are saved.

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Your trust is in self and your ability to do those things. Not jesus, If you trusted jesus, Yuo would trust him to carry you through to the end. And keep his promise to save you based on his works, His work. His adoption. His redemption. His justification, His righteousness.


Sorry to be so blunt, But I see no other way to put it.
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Atwood you are right about OSAS not being a good title. Lets use ACDWTWD,Aliester Crowley do what thou wilt doctrine.
 
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On second thought that's too long, lets just call it satanism since it so closely mirrors it.
 
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Paul continually say's that those who endure. Paul also stated that he turned many over to Satan.
 
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Sinnner said:
Atwood you are right about OSAS not being a good title. Lets use ACDWTWD,Aliester Crowley do what thou wilt doctrine.
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We could just call it licentiousness then But that is not the topic of this thread. the topic is does God keep his promise, or does he lie in order to get us to do good works. then if we do nto live up to his standard. he takes his gift back. (sounds like what a master does to his dog to get him to do a trick. If he does it, he gets his reward. if he does not. He loses it)

I guess God is nothing but a dog trainor. and we are his dogs..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Kerry said:
Paul continually say's that those who endure. Paul also stated that he turned many over to Satan.
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Paul continually said salvation is by faith NOT WORKS or merit.

Enduring is a work of merit .

If salvation is not of work of merits. then enduring HAS NO PART IN SALVATION.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Another warning to keep steady in your walk with God, striving to do as requested or commanded to receive eternal life..
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Kenneth, you really do need to stop adding to God's Word & pretending things are there which are not. The verse you quoted does not say
1) warning,
2) keep steady in your walk,
3) striving to do,
4) commanded to receive eternal life.

There nothing in the verse about receiving eternal life. Receive does not occur. Doing things to receive eternal life is not in the verse either. We indeed look to our guaranteed eternal life to encourage us.

We do need to keep loving God. His love for us in not in doubt.

Funny how this matches
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Funny how your rewriting of a verse in the epistles matches your rewrite of what the Lord Jesus said on earth.

[qute]what our Lord Jesus said to persevere to the end to be saved.[/quote]

He never said that at all. You make it up. He said that those who endure the tribulation will be saved from their troubles when He returns. And it is also a fact that all believers do endure to the end & are saved. But there is no condition for enduring, and enduring is not a condition of salvation either. It is a fact that those who endure will have eternal life, which in fact they already got when they trusted Christ as Savior. Your endure to the end proves nothing toward disproving security of the believer.

Both to me would suggest that the gift of eternal life ( saved ) is not granted tell you pass from life in the flesh to life in the spirit. As in a actual death, or the transformation at the rapture.
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Salvation comes in 3 tenses: past present & future.

I give [present tense] eternal life, and they shall [future tense] never perish.
 
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Sinnner said:
Atwood you are right about OSAS not being a good title. Lets use ACDWTWD,Aliester Crowley do what thou wilt doctrine.
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ROFL. I have no idea who AC is. I do know that libertinism is a heresy, just as is legalism. Good works prove salvation, but they do not cause it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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kennethcadwell said:
If they do not have to persevere to be saved, then you neglect Jesus words.
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They do if they want to be alive when Jesus comes, and enter his earthy kingdom alive (imagine how great that would be)

But not to be saved eternally, I already proved that


He said this, not me. I even gave you the scripture that showed Him saying to persevere to be saved.

I am sorry you don't either like or agree with this scripture, but it is from the Lord.
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No. I love the scripture. If I am alive at this time and not taken out. I am going to do all I can to be alive at the end when christ returns. Imagine seeing the god of heaven come and destroy all evil. Being a personal witness to this.. Then enter the kingdom.

I just do not like your interpretation. It causes jesus to contradict himself. and makes his promise of eternal life to all who have faith in him to no effect.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Paul continually said salvation is by faith NOT WORKS or merit.

Enduring is a work of merit .

If salvation is not of work of merits. then enduring HAS NO PART IN SALVATION.
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No part in bringing salvation.
But eternal security it precisely the doctrine that the believers do endure.
 
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Atwood:

I believe that you are correct and scripture will confirm these truths.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Paul continually said salvation is by faith NOT WORKS or merit.

Enduring is a work of merit .

If salvation is not of work of merits. then enduring HAS NO PART IN SALVATION.
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of course salvation is by faith, but what happens when your faith is in something else?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Atwood said:
ROFL. I have no idea who AC is. I do know that libertinism is a heresy, just as is legalism. Good works prove salvation, but they do not cause it.
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Both are false gospels which come from pride.

One says I can earn it
One says I can have it and eat my candy (live my sin) also

Both trust in self. and reject the cross of Christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Kerry said:
of course salvation is by faith, but what happens when your faith is in something else?
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Then were you ever saved? How can one be saved if their trust is not in Christ?
 
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Kerry said:
Paul continually say's that those who endure. Paul also stated that he turned many over to Satan.
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Good evening Kerry.
Why is it that I think that you may some day drop your fears and actually trust the Lord Jesus as your only & sufficient Savior, the one who guarantees your eternal destiny?

And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
 
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I don't practice legalism. Ive already told you that.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
If they do not have to persevere to be saved, then you neglect Jesus words.

He said this, not me. I even gave you the scripture that showed Him saying to persevere to be saved.

I am sorry you don't either like or agree with this scripture, but it is from the Lord.
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You have no such scripture. Let's see your verse where it says "have to persevere to be"
as opposed to the concept that all who are saved will persevere?

That is precisely the topic of this thread: Believers persevere.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't practice legalism. Ive already told you that.
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if you do not believe God will save you eternally but that it can be lost based on what you do or do not do.

You are a legalist depending on human merit to save you and not God.

you do. thus you are a legalist. you can deny it all you want.
 
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