It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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Why? To let out the hot air of his religiosity and pride. There is a hypothetical justification by works, if you could keep all God's commands; but man never does this. Trying it may help you realize how lost you are and turn to the Savior. The Law is a schoolmaster to lead to Christ. Read on to the punch line of the passage:
Who then can be saved?
With man this is impossible,
but all things are possible with God.
So salvation is impossible for man by good works.
Only the Lord can save.
Who then can be saved?
With man this is impossible,
but all things are possible with God.
So salvation is impossible for man by good works.
Only the Lord can save.
What is fallacious is to base claims on human tradition or I said it. Your post is your word, not God's. It is human straw.
God's word brings light.
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.
To an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
If the inheritance is incorruptible and does not fade away, it is eternal and not something one loses. If it were, it would not be salvation at all, but a chance at it.
They Christians are kept. The fact that faith is a means does not negate the fact of the keeping.
Rev 2:10 says nothing about being saved, but about getting a crown, a reward -- like even the martyr's crown. Rewards come from works; salvation is secured by faith alone. and it doesn't fade away.
Stanley is not the standard, it is the word of God. God's people cannot disbelieve or stop being His people. But to stop believing is impossible. And to disbelieve would prove they never believed. So I can't agree completely with this out of context quote.
As to the other quotes (for which I know not the context):
I find no where in the Bible that says that a believer can become an unbeliever. I do read that if one believes he will not perish, but have everlasting life. So I don't agree with your other quotes. If a man does not believe, it is that he never believed. 1 John & Heb 6 speak of apostasy, as by those who never were of us -- and their departure shows that --, and as by those who did not have the things that accompany salvation (6:9).
Face the Word of God; don't worry about Stanley.
"To those who are called, beloved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ "
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I agree with this here also 100 percent. Another point: We can't judge someone as good either, nor bad by our own rights but by THE WORD, His Word. We judge by His Word... all mouth and more of actions coming from a heart. His word is given for us to judge both FOR OURSELVES to make sure we are in the faith believing HIS Words. We judge our actions good and bad.... before GOd will have to. Paul said and found this very thing to be true. Amen.
Again, Cassian goes making assertions with no proof. But then he does allude to a parable in the Bible:
You cannot establish doctrine by parables. The parables have to be interpreted in the light of propositional teaching. Neither should one try to make a parable run on all fours. There is generally a main point and then details in the story without allegorical significance. There are 4 responses to the gospel in the parable of the 4 soils.
It says nothing about faith being snuffed out, neither do you quote any verses that say, "took root." You make up things. Look at all the references to (taking) root or not taking root in Mat 13's parable of the 4 soils:
4 and as he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the birds came and devoured them: 5 and others fell upon the rocky places, where they had not much earth: and straightway they sprang up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 and when the sun was risen, they were scorched; and
because they had no root, they withered away. 7 And others fell upon the thorns; and the thorns grew up and choked them: 8 and others fell upon the good ground, and yielded fruit, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the evil one, and snatcheth away that which hath been sown in his heart. This is he that was sown by the way side. 20 And he that was sown upon the rocky places, this is he that heareth the word, and straightway with joy receiveth it; 21 yet he has not root in himself, but endureth for a while; and when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, straightway he stumbleth. 22 And he that was sown among the thorns, this is he that heareth the word; and the care of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 And he that was sown upon the good ground, this is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; who verily beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
You cannot establish doctrine by parables. The parables have to be interpreted in the light of propositional teaching. Neither should one try to make a parable run on all fours. There is generally a main point and then details in the story without allegorical significance. There are 4 responses to the gospel in the parable of the 4 soils.
It says nothing about faith being snuffed out, neither do you quote any verses that say, "took root." You make up things. Look at all the references to (taking) root or not taking root in Mat 13's parable of the 4 soils:
4 and as he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the birds came and devoured them: 5 and others fell upon the rocky places, where they had not much earth: and straightway they sprang up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 and when the sun was risen, they were scorched; and
because they had no root, they withered away. 7 And others fell upon the thorns; and the thorns grew up and choked them: 8 and others fell upon the good ground, and yielded fruit, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the evil one, and snatcheth away that which hath been sown in his heart. This is he that was sown by the way side. 20 And he that was sown upon the rocky places, this is he that heareth the word, and straightway with joy receiveth it; 21 yet he has not root in himself, but endureth for a while; and when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, straightway he stumbleth. 22 And he that was sown among the thorns, this is he that heareth the word; and the care of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 And he that was sown upon the good ground, this is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; who verily beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Yes, most of what you say is just you saying it, as you rarely prove anything from the Bible, nor quote it.
How do you know what I have studied? I studied "Church History" in college, and have a history major, even having studied history in graduate school. I even taught Church History in a graduate school.
I have the so-called "Church Fathers" in my library. I have done research in them.
My beliefs are based on the word of God. Your mentioning other names, like Calvin, is straw man. I see your Gnostics and raise you a Dormition of Mary.
It is not the eternal life which waits, it is the revelation that waits. The Lord has promised to freely give all things to those who believe. Eye has not seen, Ear has not heard all the great blessing which await the one who trusts in the crucified.
I commend you for actually reading the verses.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The blessings come from our new birth, which happened in the past tense for current believers. They were begat again. We get an incorruptible inheritance which does not fade away. God's power guards us to a salvation, which will be revealed fully in the future. In the NT, believers are saved, being saved, and to be saved in future. We don't get it all realized right away; but it is guaranteed.
How do you know what I have studied? I studied "Church History" in college, and have a history major, even having studied history in graduate school. I even taught Church History in a graduate school.
I have the so-called "Church Fathers" in my library. I have done research in them.
My beliefs are based on the word of God. Your mentioning other names, like Calvin, is straw man. I see your Gnostics and raise you a Dormition of Mary.
It is not the eternal life which waits, it is the revelation that waits. The Lord has promised to freely give all things to those who believe. Eye has not seen, Ear has not heard all the great blessing which await the one who trusts in the crucified.
I commend you for actually reading the verses.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
The blessings come from our new birth, which happened in the past tense for current believers. They were begat again. We get an incorruptible inheritance which does not fade away. God's power guards us to a salvation, which will be revealed fully in the future. In the NT, believers are saved, being saved, and to be saved in future. We don't get it all realized right away; but it is guaranteed.
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Nice statements, but no proof of OSAS.
You say scripture. Every man, sola scripturist uses scripture. Yet they all come up with different meanings. They are just one man's opinion and all of them have come long after the Gospel of Christ was given.
Someone in an earlier post made the remark that Calvinism today is much different than it was 400 years ago, even from 50 years ago. That is a proof positive statement that Calvinism was not the Gospel of Christ. If it had been, it would not have changed. These false teachings of man that are so prevelent within the Protestant milieu have become so pervasive that many do not even realize they are teachings and inventions of men. This is the problem eternally_grateful has who is not a Calvinist but holds to a Calvinistic tenet.
If you really want to prove OSAS you need to start from the beginning, the early Church, to see if they and all subsequent believers held to the view of OSAS. If it has always been a principle doctrine from the beginning you will find a record of it from the beginning. If not, it cannot be the Gospel of Christ given once and preserved from the beginning the same.
You say scripture. Every man, sola scripturist uses scripture. Yet they all come up with different meanings. They are just one man's opinion and all of them have come long after the Gospel of Christ was given.
Someone in an earlier post made the remark that Calvinism today is much different than it was 400 years ago, even from 50 years ago. That is a proof positive statement that Calvinism was not the Gospel of Christ. If it had been, it would not have changed. These false teachings of man that are so prevelent within the Protestant milieu have become so pervasive that many do not even realize they are teachings and inventions of men. This is the problem eternally_grateful has who is not a Calvinist but holds to a Calvinistic tenet.
If you really want to prove OSAS you need to start from the beginning, the early Church, to see if they and all subsequent believers held to the view of OSAS. If it has always been a principle doctrine from the beginning you will find a record of it from the beginning. If not, it cannot be the Gospel of Christ given once and preserved from the beginning the same.
LOL, you're the only one with the human tradition. You are aspiring to the tradition of Calvin with OSAS. You probably nuanced a lot of his other teachings, but it is still a man made tradition. Every Protestant denomination is a human made tradition. They have all been started by men who derived their particular sectarian philosophy from scripture.
I have yet to see any post of yours that is NOT based on your opinion/interpretation or accepted interpretation of another man such as Calvin. Every man, just like you, can quote scripture. Quoting scripture does not prove anything.
I have yet to see any post of yours that is NOT based on your opinion/interpretation or accepted interpretation of another man such as Calvin. Every man, just like you, can quote scripture. Quoting scripture does not prove anything.
You have used this three times now, it has not changed. It still says "believes". To be OSAS it must state it other than present tense with the outcome in the present. To be truly OSAS it must say one believed, and has eternal life, not shall have or will have.
It thought you said you were highly educated. How come you don't understand present tense?
The inheritance is guaranteed, but ONLY to those that are faithful to the end. That present tense follows every day of their lives to the last. Then you can say they absolutely received eternal life.
Keep that text in front of you every day until your death. Read it every day because if you can say yes, every day, then the last day you will receive eternal life, the inheritance. However, if there comes a day that you cannot or don't want to, then you are no longer a beleiver and you will not inherit the promise at the end.
So, get rid of the OSAS, it does not exist in scripture. It is man made imposition upon scripture and contradicts scripture.
It thought you said you were highly educated. How come you don't understand present tense?
The inheritance is guaranteed, but ONLY to those that are faithful to the end. That present tense follows every day of their lives to the last. Then you can say they absolutely received eternal life.
Keep that text in front of you every day until your death. Read it every day because if you can say yes, every day, then the last day you will receive eternal life, the inheritance. However, if there comes a day that you cannot or don't want to, then you are no longer a beleiver and you will not inherit the promise at the end.
So, get rid of the OSAS, it does not exist in scripture. It is man made imposition upon scripture and contradicts scripture.
You are a man of contradictions. A true sola scripturist. You say one should never depend on man's word. Then you tell me I should depend on your word. The only thing you might be consistant on is that each man must determine what scripture means. You disavow Stanley, he is his own man just as you are your own man. I didn't have any difficulty in understanding the short quote that was made and immediately knew is was not scriptural.
If a person cannot speak for other Christians, then that person should not be teaching since it cannot be the Gospel according to Christ. This is the problem with sola scripturist and the whole Protestant milieu, no one can actually speak for Christians because they are all different. They all aspire to different theologies, have created completely isolated, human, self devised systems of belief, sectarian, private philosophies. It is confusion and chaos at its best. It is truly the synogogue of Satan. Satan has succeeded in making scripture null and void. He has you divided and becoming ever more divided. Paul had this phenonomon in mind I'm sure in II Tim 4:3-5.
If a person cannot speak for other Christians, then that person should not be teaching since it cannot be the Gospel according to Christ. This is the problem with sola scripturist and the whole Protestant milieu, no one can actually speak for Christians because they are all different. They all aspire to different theologies, have created completely isolated, human, self devised systems of belief, sectarian, private philosophies. It is confusion and chaos at its best. It is truly the synogogue of Satan. Satan has succeeded in making scripture null and void. He has you divided and becoming ever more divided. Paul had this phenonomon in mind I'm sure in II Tim 4:3-5.
Cassian, again you go on & on, not proving a thing from scripture, though you do try to make a personal attack on me via 2 Tim 4:3-5, which you don't bother to post. But it is you who advance human fables.
Where did I ever say to depend on my word? I post scripture, It is written! Thus saith the Lord. Believe what you believe because you are convicted from scripture, not because I say it.
Be a Noble Berean.
"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."
Stop any concern about Stanley and myself; be concerned about the Word of God. Prayerfully consider the scripture. See is you can bring yourself to trust the Lord Jesus with your salvation. He paid for it at so great a price on the cross. He loves you and offers you eternal life.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.
Ask Him for salvation today, and trust Him to do it.
Whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved.
Where did I ever say to depend on my word? I post scripture, It is written! Thus saith the Lord. Believe what you believe because you are convicted from scripture, not because I say it.
Be a Noble Berean.
"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."
Stop any concern about Stanley and myself; be concerned about the Word of God. Prayerfully consider the scripture. See is you can bring yourself to trust the Lord Jesus with your salvation. He paid for it at so great a price on the cross. He loves you and offers you eternal life.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.
Ask Him for salvation today, and trust Him to do it.
Whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved.
Here 'tis, Stephen:
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 Peter 1:3->
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
2 Tim 1:8-9
… God; who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,
2 thes 2:16-17
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 8:34
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 3:20-21
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that every one who beholds the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be.
Jude 1:24
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
[View these 2 together]
Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus
Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
[A lot of the above is from the ESV, some from the ASV]
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 Peter 1:3->
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
2 Tim 1:8-9
… God; who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,
2 thes 2:16-17
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 8:34
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 3:20-21
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that every one who beholds the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be.
Jude 1:24
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
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Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus
Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
[A lot of the above is from the ESV, some from the ASV]
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Belief is in the present as well as the past for a Christian. The outcomes is a present inheritance which fades not [present tense]. Reserved is a past condition which continues. Are Guarded is a present tense. The revelation of that salvation, which fades not away in the present and is guarded in the present -- the revelation of that salvation is future.
It is good that you are looking at the text Cassian. Let the Spirit convict you as to the truth, and believe it for that reason rather than my say so. But note that "faithful" does not occur at all. The salvation-inheritance is not corruptible, never in any tense; it fades not away in the present. It is reserved from past to present; it is presently guarded. Those facts remain. There is a means that is employed, "through faith," which does not change the fact in the slightest. If a rock will not be moved, but kept stationary through steel bars, that doesn't effect the fact of kept stationary. The implication is that the Lord maintains our faith.
The Bible doesn't agree with you Cassian. Eternal life is a present possession, but something awarded after a judgment. I have posted enough verses. It won't hurt you to study them.
As first John says, the Christian is to know that he has [present tense] eternal life.
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus
Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Belief is in the present as well as the past for a Christian. The outcomes is a present inheritance which fades not [present tense]. Reserved is a past condition which continues. Are Guarded is a present tense. The revelation of that salvation, which fades not away in the present and is guarded in the present -- the revelation of that salvation is future.
It is good that you are looking at the text Cassian. Let the Spirit convict you as to the truth, and believe it for that reason rather than my say so. But note that "faithful" does not occur at all. The salvation-inheritance is not corruptible, never in any tense; it fades not away in the present. It is reserved from past to present; it is presently guarded. Those facts remain. There is a means that is employed, "through faith," which does not change the fact in the slightest. If a rock will not be moved, but kept stationary through steel bars, that doesn't effect the fact of kept stationary. The implication is that the Lord maintains our faith.
The Bible doesn't agree with you Cassian. Eternal life is a present possession, but something awarded after a judgment. I have posted enough verses. It won't hurt you to study them.
As first John says, the Christian is to know that he has [present tense] eternal life.
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus
Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
On the contrary, you are the one pontificating humanly without quoting the Word to prove a thing.
Nonsense, you may as well accuse me of aspiring to the tradition of Calvin if I advocate the Trinity, as he did. Then what are you for attacking Calvin? A heretic who denies the Trinity? Calvin is a straw man. Focus on the Word of God.
Well, go argue with some Prots, since I am not a Prot. I am catholic. A member of the Unversal Body of Christ, the only Church that ever existed. But why don't you cease the ad hominem, and focus on what the Word says.
Quoting scripture proves everything. Thy word is a light to my path and a lamp to my feet. As the Lord Jesus spoke of old, so I speak when I say, "It is written!" that ends my argument. You examine the text, be convicted or not.
Psalm 34:22
"The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned."
Nonsense, you may as well accuse me of aspiring to the tradition of Calvin if I advocate the Trinity, as he did. Then what are you for attacking Calvin? A heretic who denies the Trinity? Calvin is a straw man. Focus on the Word of God.
Well, go argue with some Prots, since I am not a Prot. I am catholic. A member of the Unversal Body of Christ, the only Church that ever existed. But why don't you cease the ad hominem, and focus on what the Word says.
Quoting scripture proves everything. Thy word is a light to my path and a lamp to my feet. As the Lord Jesus spoke of old, so I speak when I say, "It is written!" that ends my argument. You examine the text, be convicted or not.
Psalm 34:22
"The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned."
The beginning and the end is God's Word. What humans in the Church said later is not God's Word; it is human tradition, which the Lord condemned as a substitute for God's Word. The Word of God is clear enough so that we are responsible. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
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Strawman
OSAS is eternal life. The words eternal life literally means to live forever. that is what those in the greek would interpret it. Jesus said this himself in john 6. Whoever food on the food he came to give (the words of eternal life as peter described the) would live forever. And never die.
God did predestine. Before time began That what he claimed and he said. not me. Calvanists have it wrong as the what they say, But predestination is just a valid doctrine when interpreted correctly as the doctrine of the trinity. In fact, predestination, chosen before the foundation of the earth, are words of God. Trinity is not. So it would be even more scriptural.
Again, You need to stop listening to men. And study the word of God.
OSAS is eternal life. The words eternal life literally means to live forever. that is what those in the greek would interpret it. Jesus said this himself in john 6. Whoever food on the food he came to give (the words of eternal life as peter described the) would live forever. And never die.
God did predestine. Before time began That what he claimed and he said. not me. Calvanists have it wrong as the what they say, But predestination is just a valid doctrine when interpreted correctly as the doctrine of the trinity. In fact, predestination, chosen before the foundation of the earth, are words of God. Trinity is not. So it would be even more scriptural.
Again, You need to stop listening to men. And study the word of God.