It's going to happen ...

[valiant]

im making a point if God excepted King James as being good enough to revise the bible
then you my brother should not worry of such things and never had posted this stuff in the first place it shows me your heart. Indeed

God did not 'accept King James as being good enough to revise the Bible'. King James decided to do it on the advice of his ministers. God does not interfere in such things. He allows anyone to revise the Bible. It says nothing about James standing before God at all.

I certainly think that a church must allow anyone in to hear the Gospel ad related teaching. But they should not be welcomed into the membership or given positions in the church. They will no doubt realise soon enough how their position is viewed. But time should be given before they are actually broached with it directly, so that they have time for God to speak to them, and then it should only be by an authoritative person.


The difference between their sin and others is that theirs is permanent and continued and unrepented of..

 

[Blain]

Most accounts from stored record keeping in England from the period in time which wasn't that long ago 1500's there's no secret he was Gay..

I would have to see this for myself before I believe it, if it's from the internet then such info doesn't carry much credibility many ppl make rumors about things like this to discredit someone or something they don't agree believe or understand. If he was in fact gay then what does that say about the kjv? But honestly the whole debate about which version to read is old and I have read many many versions including the kjv and God has spoken to me through all of them

 

[VioletReigns]

Most accounts from stored record keeping in England from the period in time which wasn't that long ago 1500's there's no secret he was Gay..

This article explains how that attack on his character got started, Edison:

The Story Of King James

 

[Blain]

anywho let's not derail the thread

 

[atwhatcost]

Noah got drunk.

Abraham lied about his wife.

Sarah laughed at God.

Jacob was a deceiver.

Moses murdered an Egyptian.

Rahab was a harlot.

Gideon was fearful.

Jephthah made a foolish vow.

Samson had serious problems with lust and anger.

Eli failed as a father.

David was an adulterer and a murderer.

Solomon married foreign wives who turned his heart toward idolatry.

Elijah struggled with depression.

Jonah got angry and ran away from God.

Peter denied Christ three times.

Thomas doubted Jesus.

Paul fought with Barnabas.

Paul also consented to murdering Christians.

Barnabas compromised the gospel.

James and John wanted special seats in the kingdom.

All the apostles argued about who was the greatest.

Let's not forget our own weaknesses....

God is able to accomplish His purpose in everyone He calls.

And VioletReigns is great at remembering who did what wrong. lol

 

[EdisonTrent]

Most accounts from stored record keeping in England from the period in time which wasn't that long ago 1500's there's no secret he was Gay..

But yet many will try and say he wasn't gay saying in those times men slept together called each other sweethearts etc. Like
Dr. Phil Stringer who is baptist. who can't swallow the truth.
I don't care if he was Gay so what, God didn't care he used him for a reason. I don't read the King James Version but surely don't mind if others do.

 

[Jason0047]

I believe the true church are those that meet in homes and small private gatherings today. They will be the church that is not corrupted by any of man's sinful ways because they will only have fellowship with like minded believers who honor God's Word. For if a church is going to truly survive during persecution (that might happen during the future), it will of course be forced to go underground.

 

[cmarieh]

I believe the true church are those that meet in homes and small private gatherings today. They will be the church that is not corrupted by any of man's sinful ways because they will only have fellowship with like minded believers who honor God's Word. For if a church is going to truly survive during persecution (that might happen during the future), it will of course be forced to go underground.

You know, this is kinda funny because I was just talking to a friend of mine about this and it really got me thinking and I do agree with you. I prefer smaller church gatherings because they are intimate and you have the ability to get to know each one on a personal level where you are free to hold each other accountable for things without feeling wronged or judged and it is purely out of love and understanding. I have had some bad experiences at churches whether it be gossip or the elders following you outside to verbally attack you and the pastor defends their actions. I think down the road I would prefer holding a bible study with a few families and go out in the community and serve them because I believe that is what God wants his children to do to reach out to others. My dream is actually to have a friend where we read the bible separately and talk discuss it to gain better understanding of it.

 

[atwhatcost]

How do you do that? I don't mean, how could you do such a horrible thing, I mean, how do you approach it? There's a guy in the gym where I workout who smells so bad he literally stings your nose, lungs and eyes. I couldn't approach him about his fowl odor let alone approach someone about their sexual endeavors. I just don't have that kind of talent.

This is going to be a shocker to many, but in real life, I absolutely hate confronting people about sin. I don't usually have to. In the last few years, God's been giving me impromptu confrontation lessons. Steep learning curve, but it's becoming second nature to me. (That part shouldn't shock anyone on here. lol)

Dad has dementia, and he thinks I'm not going to say anything when he either doesn't remember something or does, but doesn't want me to think he can't. So confront has become more like this kind of situation:
Dad: What have you been up to?

Me: Summertime, so working on my garden.

Dad: Oh, I haven't thought of that. I usually grow lettuce and radishes and then grow tomatoes. I should go buy some radishes and lettuce.

Me: No, actually you haven't grown either in a few years, and it's too late to grow lettuce and radishes now.

Dad: Says who?

Me: They're springtime vegetables and it's already summer. They can't grow.

Dad: Says who? I'm going to go buy some later today.

Me: No. Don't. First they aren't for sale, because they're done. Second, you shouldn't drive anymore.

Dad: Says who?

Me: Says the two cops who pulled you over and had one of us pick you up.

So, really? How to approach someone? Pretty much have a regular conversation, and if the sin comes up and they try justifying it, simply tell the reality, and judge what way to go from there by their reaction. Oddly enough, the most Dad gets with me is mildly annoyed that I won't play along. I don't condemn him, don't get harsh, I simply let him see reality for a brief moment. Up to him where he wants to go from there.

 

[atwhatcost]

We would welcome them!

And that's a problem, because no one would ever tell them there was a problem.

 

[Jason0047]

You know, this is kinda funny because I was just talking to a friend of mine about this and it really got me thinking and I do agree with you. I prefer smaller church gatherings because they are intimate and you have the ability to get to know each one on a personal level where you are free to hold each other accountable for things without feeling wronged or judged and it is purely out of love and understanding. I have had some bad experiences at churches whether it be gossip or the elders following you outside to verbally attack you and the pastor defends their actions. I think down the road I would prefer holding a bible study with a few families and go out in the community and serve them because I believe that is what God wants his children to do to reach out to others. My dream is actually to have a friend where we read the bible separately and talk discuss it to gain better understanding of it.

I am glad God was talking to your heart about this. Praise be unto the Lord. I believe the Scriptures teach that we can have whatever we ask for if we continue to obey Him. But in the mean time, I will pray for you to find those right believers whereby you can have close and private fellowship with so that you can all honor God and His Word alone (and to help those who live in a lost and dying world).

 

[atwhatcost]

Sorry, I thought you were telling me to read it and agree.

He states "Because of this ... " which refers to vv. 18-25, which says nothing about homosexuality, the result of which was that He gave them over to "shameful lusts," of which homosexual behavior is just one. That "giving over" potentially brings on the sin of homosexuality, but all sorts of others sins as well. Look at v. 28, where He "gave them over to a depraved mind," which brings on "every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity ... full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice."

Sin of any type, coming from a depraved heart, not just homosexual behavior.

I'm not saying it should. You should know my stance by now on same-gender marriage. But the reality is, we will be confronted by people who genuinely believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, but do not see their LGBT lifestyle as sin. That's what this poll essentially asks about.

Bummer. I am seriously bragging about my church, because they already have a ministry -- complete with a couple of full time, full paid workers and lots of volunteers that help people with sexual sin -- all sexual sin. The LBGT community doesn't know what to do with them. On the one hand they're not shy calling sexual sin sin. On the other hand, they're the biggest organization in my city feeding people with AIDs. Then again, they also minister to them. Kind of a two edge sword the LBGTers have problems with. If they don't want the Christian message to get through, then who are caring for those who are too sick to are for themselves?

What I see on this thread is people scrambling to deal with something that's been happening for decades as if it's a brand new thing they just noticed. What's happening within the church that so few have noticed until now? When wasn't there sexual sin at our door steps? And it's not just homosexuals!

 

[atwhatcost]

that's ok Sir, and again your place words I never said promoting the KJV that is your words excusing me of promoting preferred versions. I simply stated a fact a gay King revise a bible which was inspired by God.. And if as you say the topic has nothing to do with bible verses which was your first reply to me not versions. Then why post in bible discussions and not a non bible discussion huh.

When you were under your parent's roof, did you take this long to understand "No" with them too? You were that kid who spent two hours asking "Why not?" weren't you? No means No. Give it a rest. 1/3rd of the topic is you fighting to get your way anyway.

 

[atwhatcost]

You know, this is kinda funny because I was just talking to a friend of mine about this and it really got me thinking and I do agree with you. I prefer smaller church gatherings because they are intimate and you have the ability to get to know each one on a personal level where you are free to hold each other accountable for things without feeling wronged or judged and it is purely out of love and understanding. I have had some bad experiences at churches whether it be gossip or the elders following you outside to verbally attack you and the pastor defends their actions. I think down the road I would prefer holding a bible study with a few families and go out in the community and serve them because I believe that is what God wants his children to do to reach out to others. My dream is actually to have a friend where we read the bible separately and talk discuss it to gain better understanding of it.

You'll find you won't be much help in the community because there aren't many to work on the community, and something often comes up that two or three families can't help with whatever project you had planned. Kind of why there are home churches within our larger congregation. The best of both worlds.

 

[Angela53510]

"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?" Romans 10:14

No better time for people to hear the gospel than in church. And part of the gospel is about repentance from sins. The trouble is, there are so many gay sites rationalizing away the Bible, they may not be open to what the Bible really says.

I guess just keep sharing the gospel, but no membership or serving until they repent. And sadly, that means they may have to break up a "marriage."

Tough question.

 

[cmarieh]

You'll find you won't be much help in the community because there aren't many to work on the community, and something often comes up that two or three families can't help with whatever project you had planned. Kind of why there are home churches within our larger congregation. The best of both worlds.

In a community there are a lot of things that could be done and people would rather deal with a smaller amount of people than a larger amount, but I do understand what you are saying.

 

[EdisonTrent]

When you were under your parent's roof, did you take this long to understand "No" with them too? You were that kid who spent two hours asking "Why not?" weren't you? No means No. Give it a rest. 1/3rd of the topic is you fighting to get your way anyway.

If you want to drive nails in me I'll gladly supply the hammer. My first post was my opinion there after I was defending my opinion not fighting to get my way. And my parents weren't around much when I was young again just more slandering because of my opinion. Fruitless to keep going here. Then again Jesus kept doing what he did the slandering never stopped which cost him his life by design.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

(Viligant_Warrior): Sorry, I thought you were telling me to read it and agree.

no no...I noticed you had liked it after I read it and I agreed with his post, so voila, I also liked it

He states "Because of this ... " which refers to vv. 18-25, which says nothing about homosexuality, but says He gave them over to "shameful lusts," of which homosexual behavior is just one.. That "giving over" does not bring on the sin of homosexuality any more than it brings on any other sin. Look at v. 28, where He "gave them over to a depraved mind," which brings on "every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity ... full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice."


that's not what I am saying...quite simply...God gave 'them' (He is still doing it, right?) over to a depraved mind because 'they' turned away from Him


Sin of any type, coming from a depraved heart, not just homosexual behavior.

There is always a downward spiral of sin if sin continues and homsexuality is not on the top of the list...it is the fallen state of a person made in God's image who has forsaken that image

I'm not saying it should. You should know my stance by now on same-gender marriage. But the reality is, we will be confronted by people who genuinely believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, but do not see their LGBT lifestyle as sin. That's what this poll essentially asks about.

I understand that and I undertood the poll...thanks

again though, homosexual behavior or attempting to coerce someone into their lifestyle should not be tolerated and that may become a real source of conflict in church where a certain group of homosexuals will want to test the waters and ramp up their agenda

Classic case of talking past each other -- or at least me not hearing what you said, Ember. Sorry 'bout that. Carry on.

(And if anyone adds " ... my wayward son" to that two-word statement of encouragement, the irony will be profound!)

 

[atwhatcost]

Classic case of talking past each other -- or at least me not hearing what you said, Ember. Sorry 'bout that. Carry on.

(And if anyone adds " ... my wayward son" to that two-word statement of encouragement, the irony will be profound!)

Tomorrow I will wake up and wonder how Kansas got into my head. lol

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Tomorrow I will wake up and wonder how Kansas got into my head. lol

Shhhhh! We're not even supposed to know that song, much less know who wrote and recorded it.