It's going to happen ...

[Gr8grace]

Indeed and inspired a Gay King to revise the bible, but yet we as his children want to know if it ok to allow Gays in a church

I don't think you have read VW correctly on this. Its a issue that is fine to discuss and ponder on.

another thing that is going to happen eventually, is a gay couple in church that are totally respectful and don't disrupt in anyway......................and the hens start cackling and the roosters start crowing, How hard are we going to be on the gossiping and maligning?

 

[oldthennew]

1COR.6:9.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with mankind,...

1COR.5:11.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

EPH.5:11-12.
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

11COR.6:14.
Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has Light with darkness?

yes, we are to love sinners and minister and reprove and correct and show them the way from darkness to Light -
for such were we at one time -
but we are not to just go along with any wickedness, belief, or demonic system that comes along after our
conversion.

like it is written:
Be you separate and touch not the unclean thing.

our walk is a walk of separation and of being strangers and pilgrims - in short, we cannot straddle the fence
and have one leg in the Body of Christ and one leg in the world.

conforming for the sake of acceptance is a mistake often repeated in the scriptures and it never comes
to a good end.

 

[ember]

Ember, does God think of that sin any more harshly than he does others?

ALL sin separates us from God

I could have been more clear, I was addressing the main topic

Adultery, fornication, back-stabbing, gossip...they all have repercussions and contribute to the disenssion in the body...not a building

However, the Bible does state that God has given people who burn with lust for the same sex, over to a reprobate mind

Romans 1...I'm sure you are familiar with it

While on the topic, it's pretty clear that allowing any type of sin to keep on keeping on (I mean practiced sin) is going to be detrimental...

The sins of gossip and slander are especially odious and hateful...for example...and some of those are disguised as prayer requests

ps...just read what oldhermit wrote and agree

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

your topic is about Gays in church should they be there or not should we except them in or not.
it has everything to do with the bible, bible states homosexual activity should not be done and the bible speaks of excepting others (King James is Gods example on how to except Gay people this is not written in scripture but it's a example for future generations to come hence us) but your saying your topic is outside this realm huh please enlighten me how your topic has nothing to do with the bible.

If you want to PM me with that question to avoid continued derailing of the thread, we can have the conversation, or you could start your own thread. Bible versions have nothing to do with this discussion.

If, in responding to the poll, you want to use biblical references, by all means do so, but this is not the place or time to promote the KJV or any other preferred version.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

ALL sin separates us from God

I could have been more clear, I was addressing the main topic

Adultery, fornication, back-stabbing, gossip...they all have repercussions and contribute to the disenssion in the body...not a building

However, the Bible does state that God has given people who burn with lust for the same sex, over to a reprobate mind

Romans 1...I'm sure you are familiar with it

He says that He gives all sinners who abandon God for the creation -- not just homosexuality -- over to a depraved mind.

While on the topic, it's pretty clear that allowing any type of sin to keep on keeping on (I mean practiced sin) is going to be detrimental...

The sins of gossip and slander are especially odious and hateful...for example...and some of those are disguised as prayer requests

ps...just read what oldhermit wrote and agree

I already agreed with his post. I just wanted to establish that you were not setting homosexual sin apart as being worse than other sin, because in God's economy, it is not.

 

[Utah]

I would talk to them about their sin, the best way I could.

How do you do that? I don't mean, how could you do such a horrible thing, I mean, how do you approach it? There's a guy in the gym where I workout who smells so bad he literally stings your nose, lungs and eyes. I couldn't approach him about his fowl odor let alone approach someone about their sexual endeavors. I just don't have that kind of talent.

 

[ember]

He says that He gives all sinners who abandon God for the creation -- not just homosexuality -- over to a depraved mind.

I already agreed with his post. I just wanted to establish that you were not setting homosexual sin apart as being worse than other sin, because in God's economy, it is not.

1. I didn't agree with hermit's post because you agreed with it.. I mentionned I agreed with it because I agree with it and his post is briefer

2. 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

the above verses show a downhill spiral with regards to sin and the practice of sin...BECAUSE they did not acknowledge God,
God gave them over to further sin that indicates the sin of homsexuality

No where does God seem to indicate that this is the worst thing one can do...however, it does seem to be a further falling away from the truth

As God compares marriage to the relationship of the church to His Son, I don't see how homosexuality could not really fly in His face

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I would receive them as I would any visitor, without knowing their salvation status, and I would talk to them about their sin, the best way I could.

The first day they were there? Or would you get to know them first?

 

[Is]

If they conduct themselves in a manner that is unbecoming such as with their arms around each other, flaunting their lifestyle, I think they should be admonished and if they continue they should be asked to leave the church. It would be the same if a straight person that is an adulterer chose to sit with the person they are having an affair with instead of their spouse (in the event that the person they are having an affair with goes to the same church) if not and their actions are still known they should be asked to leave the church.

They should be counseled just as any other sinner and if they refuse to change they should be asked to leave.

There is such a thing as church discipline in the Bible. Whoevers sins are retained and whoevers sins are loosed.

 

[mwc68]

We would welcome them!

 

[Is]

How do you do that? I don't mean, how could you do such a horrible thing, I mean, how do you approach it? There's a guy in the gym where I workout who smells so bad he literally stings your nose, lungs and eyes. I couldn't approach him about his fowl odor let alone approach someone about their sexual endeavors. I just don't have that kind of talent.

Secretly leave him a bar of soap at the front desk.

 

[ember]

That is why church should have leadeship

same with the gym...do they want to loose members or maybe just one...none have to be lost if people respect the leadership and they handle it right

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

1. I didn't agree with hermit's post because you agreed with it.. I mentionned I agreed with it because I agree with it and his post is briefer

Sorry, I thought you were telling me to read it and agree.

God gave them over to further sin that indicates the sin of homsexuality

He states "Because of this ... " which refers to vv. 18-25, which says nothing about homosexuality, the result of which was that He gave them over to "shameful lusts," of which homosexual behavior is just one. That "giving over" potentially brings on the sin of homosexuality, but all sorts of others sins as well. Look at v. 28, where He "gave them over to a depraved mind," which brings on "every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity ... full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice."

No where does God seem to indicate that this is the worst thing one can do...however, it does seem to be a further falling away from the truth

Sin of any type, coming from a depraved heart, not just homosexual behavior.

As God compares marriage to the relationship of the church to His Son, I don't see how it could not really fly in His face

I'm not saying it should. You should know my stance by now on same-gender marriage. But the reality is, we will be confronted by people who genuinely believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, but do not see their LGBT lifestyle as sin. That's what this poll essentially asks about.

 

[ember]

[/FONT][/COLOR]Sorry, I thought you were telling me to read it and agree.

no no...I noticed you had liked it after I read it and I agreed with his post, so voila, I also liked it

He states "Because of this ... " which refers to vv. 18-25, which says nothing about homosexuality, but says He gave them over to "shameful lusts," of which homosexual behavior is just one.. That "giving over" does not bring on the sin of homosexuality any more than it brings on any other sin. Look at v. 28, where He "gave them over to a depraved mind," which brings on "every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity ... full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice."


that's not what I am saying...quite simply...God gave 'them' (He is still doing it, right?) over to a depraved mind because 'they' turned away from Him


Sin of any type, coming from a depraved heart, not just homosexual behavior.

There is always a downward spiral of sin if sin continues and homsexuality is not on the top of the list...it is the fallen state of a person made in God's image who has forsaken that image

I'm not saying it should. You should know my stance by now on same-gender marriage. But the reality is, we will be confronted by people who genuinely believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, but do not see their LGBT lifestyle as sin. That's what this poll essentially asks about.

I understand that and I undertood the poll...thanks

again though, homosexual behavior or attempting to coerce someone into their lifestyle should not be tolerated and that may become a real source of conflict in church where a certain group of homosexuals will want to test the waters and ramp up their agenda

 

[EdisonTrent]

If you want to PM me with that question to avoid continued derailing of the thread, we can have the conversation, or you could start your own thread. Bible versions have nothing to do with this discussion.

If, in responding to the poll, you want to use biblical references, by all means do so, but this is not the place or time to promote the KJV or any other preferred version.

that's ok Sir, and again your place words I never said promoting the KJV that is your words excusing me of promoting preferred versions. I simply stated a fact a gay King revise a bible which was inspired by God.. And if as you say the topic has nothing to do with bible verses which was your first reply to me not versions. Then why post in bible discussions and not a non bible discussion huh.

 

[Blain]

that's ok Sir, and again your place words I never said promoting the KJV that is your words excusing me of promoting preferred versions. I simply stated a fact a gay King revise a bible which was inspired by God.. And if as you say the topic has nothing to do with bible verses which was your first reply to me not versions. Then why post in bible discussions and not a non bible discussion huh.

And where exactly did you hear that King James was Gay?

 

[VioletReigns]

And where exactly did you hear that King James was Gay?

Brother Blain, I found this just now:

The Story Of King James

 

[atwhatcost]

I was thinking the same as atwhatcost.

We don't really know what anyone is doing outside the service on any given sunday. I haven't ever concerned myself with what others do outside of service.

I've always been more concerned about getting right myself. Which, any changes that have happened for the good, are a miracle. So far, I haven't been able to miracle anyone myself. But I'm still working on it.

I suppose what I am saying is sin is sin. As the Lord would say, He who is without sin cast the first stone. I'm not saying sin is ok, just that I can't cast any stones.

Sorry, but that's not what I was saying. Church is very much more than getting in and out of Sunday service. It's a community. Family. My duty isn't to myself. It's to love God fully and love others fully. Kind of hard to do either if all I'm doing is seeing what I can get out of the deal.

When we could go to church, we never went home right afterward. There was saying Howdy to any new faces, seeing if maybe they had time for brunch, and the table at whatever diner, breakfast joint or pizza shop always had at least six folks fellowshipping. Usually two tables of us still talking about what we learned during the week, what we learned from service or what we couldn't get. No requirement for anyone to have just the right theology to join in, but expect lively discussions. lol

And after Bible Study there was after-study diner/pizza joint. (My stomach still squirms thinking of pizza, but if that's what most wanted, I could work around what to eat. lol)

 

[EdisonTrent]

And where exactly did you hear that King James was Gay?

Most accounts from stored record keeping in England from the period in time which wasn't that long ago 1500's there's no secret he was Gay..

 

[PennEd]

Some bright sunny Sunday morning at your church, a gay couple are going to show up at your church door. They may have an adopted child they register at the nursery, and will then go to your Sunday school class. Afterwards, they will go to the morning church service.

What will you do? What will your church do?

I asked this question on a thread in the News forum, but thought it was important enough to ask in its own thread. Have at it.

I voted "other". Not enough info to vote otherwise.

Do they announce they are homosexual? Do I just assume? Are they doing anything in the sancuary that could be construed as "homosexual behavior" similar to a drunk bringing a bottle of whiskey to his pew?

We are all sinners so of course they would be welcomed at our Church. The messages, that we adhere to Scripture, and on occasion deal with passages that deal with homosexuality as sin, would be unchanged. But seeing the love, and hearing the Gospel would be paramount to ANY person (sinner) coming to our Church.