I've Become What I Despise

[Amazing-Grace]

Well Im gonna take this down a path that going to be 100% different from others opinions and will get a good lot angry with me.So hold my breath and here I go... As someone who has spent a LOT of time on stage I think there is nothing wrong with dressing decent. It doesn't have to be a suit but a pair of nice pants and a dress shirt would be more acceptable when on stage. My grandmother use to say " How would you dress if you were to meet the queen? Well then how much better should we dress in God's presence?" She had a point. Its a matter of showing respect.

Kaylagrl, shock horror I agree with you! "Comfort" for me is not looking like I dragged myself out of bed and to church - isn't this why women wear make-up - for confidence reasons - I know men think we do it for their benefit - sorry to burst your bubble guys but no for me it's for comfort reasons and if you are comfortable usually you are confident too....but we should never forget that we are in God's presence 24/7 so He sees us at our worst!

 

[stonesoffire]

I'm interested in the message. Perhaps he is warfare minded? I could see wearing fatigues and combat boots.

 

[notuptome]

I thought that the scriptures taught we were changed when we were saved?? Are to continue to look like the world from which Jesus saved us or are we to look like citizens of the heavenly kingdom? Are we to represent our Savior before men or blend in with the condemned souls of the world?

How much respect does the speaker have for his audience? How much respect does he have for the Lord he represents? Each must draw their own conclusions. Some who have not the means to dress appropriately will be appropriate if they are laundered and clean in their own respect.

I do and always have held those who preach the word of God to a higher standard than those who are in the audience.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Depleted]

What you were wearing and what he was wearing are two different entirely thing.

Some dress in a suit to draw attention; just as some dress below modest means to draw attention.

There was nothing wrong with what you were wearing as it is modest apparel.

Look at how Paul instructs the women to dress.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]8 [/SUP]I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.[SUP]9[/SUP]In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

If, in like manner that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, then that speaks to the men as well. Do men wear make up? No. Then neither should the women in shamefacedness.

But if everybody, and I do mean everybody, is wearing their Sunday's best, then if you have a suit, wear it then; just to blend in and not draw attention to yourself, but don't join the crowd in being standoffish just because a newcomer comes in not dressed in their Sunday's best.

What retailers ask for suits may be ridiculous to the poor, and so I have no qualms to speak against one wearing modest clothing that they wear everyday when they go out in public.

Hebrews 13:1Let brotherly love continue.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

The earth may well tilt on its axis if Utah does feel bad about what he wears. He's always struck me as the casual kind of guy.

 

[seoulsearch]

I'm a tattooed beer drinker who is more comfortable in jeans than a suit, and I often wear a nice pair of jeans to worship service.

That said, today there was a young preacher on tv who was wearing what looked like WWII combat fatigues and boots, a wife beater tank top that rode low on his chest, and his shirt was not tucked in but rather hung down from underneath his shredded up jean jacket hoodie.

I couldn't get passed his clothing to listen to his message. 25 years ago he would have been my hero, but today, rather than listening to him, I was struggling with what I saw.

Shame on me!

The thing is though, if the preacher would have been dressed to the nines in, let's say, head-to-toe Versace... Then all the people would be whispering about "the love of money" and how "it'll be easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for this rich preacher to get into heaven."

And when the offering plate came around, people would scoff and whisper that all the money would be going towards a new jet.

When it comes to appearances... No one ever really wins.

I can't help but also wonder... Maybe these are the only clothes this guy could afford, or had available? And maybe some people in the congregation could chip in to buy him... what they feel... is an "appropriate" wardrobe for preaching?

I've often wondered how much more receptive (and less judgmental) we would be if we had to listen to people without seeing them.

 

[Huglife]

The main reason I dont wear casual attire to church, is because everyone else is wearing fancy clothes and stuff. And I dont want to feel like the odd one out

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm a tattooed beer drinker who is more comfortable in jeans than a suit, and I often wear a nice pair of jeans to worship service.

That said, today there was a young preacher on tv who was wearing what looked like WWII combat fatigues and boots, a wife beater tank top that rode low on his chest, and his shirt was not tucked in but rather hung down from underneath his shredded up jean jacket hoodie.

I couldn't get passed his clothing to listen to his message. 25 years ago he would have been my hero, but today, rather than listening to him, I was struggling with what I saw.

Shame on me!

Most today would have chunked Jesus or John the Baptist out the door for what they were wearing....it is the message...not the messenger....sometimes I teach in camo fatigues, rocky boots, a t and packing a Ruger nine on my hip.....

 

[Depleted]

Decked out? All these Americanisms leave me in a state of confusion lol. The reasons stated above are the same reasons women should dress modestly - so as not to distract from the message being conveyed, it's the same principle.

Ah, sorry. As often as I get confused by Brit-speak, I keep forgetting you guys get equally as confused with Am-speak.

Wife-beater -- a T-shirt without sleeves, often ribbed. So named, because it does represent the stereotype we have for men who do beat their wives. The casual American would probably wear that shirt during a heatwave. (I do.)

Decked out -- like a Christmas tree. Dressed to the nine. All prettied up. Suit for guys, dress for gals.

Wife beater, fatigues, and boots is very much a fashion statement, but it is also casual and comfie. (Well, I don't know if boots are comfie, but I figure they must be or folks wouldn't wear them that often. And the military wouldn't insist on them. lol)

Sort of like going to a high-holy mass in a polo shirt. (Casual pullover shirt with collar and a couple of buttons.) It really is a fashion statement, but not immodest.

 

[tourist]

I'm a tattooed beer drinker who is more comfortable in jeans than a suit, and I often wear a nice pair of jeans to worship service.

That said, today there was a young preacher on tv who was wearing what looked like WWII combat fatigues and boots, a wife beater tank top that rode low on his chest, and his shirt was not tucked in but rather hung down from underneath his shredded up jean jacket hoodie.

I couldn't get passed his clothing to listen to his message. 25 years ago he would have been my hero, but today, rather than listening to him, I was struggling with what I saw.

Shame on me!

Even if he dressed casual there is no need to look slovenly. That being said I see nothing pretentious about a pastor wearing a suit and a tie. Wearing a nice pair of jeans to a church service is acceptable in my opinion as long as the shirt is tucked in.

 

[Depleted]

Well Im gonna take this down a path that going to be 100% different from others opinions and will get a good lot angry with me.So hold my breath and here I go... As someone who has spent a LOT of time on stage I think there is nothing wrong with dressing decent. It doesn't have to be a suit but a pair of nice pants and a dress shirt would be more acceptable when on stage. My grandmother use to say " How would you dress if you were to meet the queen? Well then how much better should we dress in God's presence?" She had a point. Its a matter of showing respect.

Alas. At this stage in my life? I'm still wearing overalls even to meet the queen. (No choice.) BUT, I'd be properly embarrassed until I got over myself.

Actually, the queen reminds me a lot of my grandmother the older she gets. (Queen. Grandmother died in the 90s.) She looks and acts like Gram did, except Gram never had to do the royal wave. And knowing something of fancy high-society upbringing, (what Gram and the Queen have in common), I know the queen would think, "Oh my! Look what these young'ns are wearing today." But she wouldn't judge me by my attire. She'd judge me by my manners.

 

[tourist]

I'm interested in the message. Perhaps he is warfare minded? I could see wearing fatigues and combat boots.

Maybe he was preaching combat faith.

 

[Depleted]

Is that why you have to dress good for church? Thats like the only time i ever dress up lol

I still know God has seen me vomiting at the toilet. He's seen me in my wedding gown. He really isn't impressed either way. He loves me as me, not my clothes.

I'll wear clean clothes to church. But that's so I don't offend aromatically. If my overalls offend people, that's on them. Not me.

 

[Depleted]

I thought that the scriptures taught we were changed when we were saved?? Are to continue to look like the world from which Jesus saved us or are we to look like citizens of the heavenly kingdom? Are we to represent our Savior before men or blend in with the condemned souls of the world?

How much respect does the speaker have for his audience? How much respect does he have for the Lord he represents? Each must draw their own conclusions. Some who have not the means to dress appropriately will be appropriate if they are laundered and clean in their own respect.

I do and always have held those who preach the word of God to a higher standard than those who are in the audience.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

As long as he's not buck naked or looking like he's about to do a tribute for Elvis Presley, I'm opened to whether I will respect him or not. I'll find out which way that goes by his message, not his clothes.

My first pastor/mentor wore Army fatigues, but was never in the Army.

 

[stonesoffire]

Buck naked huh? Reminds me of a news clip I read about a church of those who are nudists.

No thanks.

 

[stonesoffire]

Paul did tell Timothy to fight a good fight of faith.

 

[Depleted]

This is becoming quite the need-google-for-reference thread. So far I had to look up Verace, rocky boots, and Ruger nine.

(At least I knew what a wife beater was. lol)

 

[Huglife]

Buck naked huh? Reminds me of a news clip I read about a church of those who are nudists.

No thanks.

blech....thats how you give someone nightmares

 

[stonesoffire]

And extreme embarrassment I would think.

 

[Depleted]

blech....thats how you give someone nightmares

So is dressing up like Elvis. lol

 

[blue_ladybug]

Utah, sometimes we have to look past the ugliness of the package, to receive the gift inside. If all we focus on is the ugly package the gift came in, we'll be less receptive to seeing what wonderful gift it may be holding inside.