James' warning letter.

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The Book of James is a real test to line our lives up against...

I think especially of James 5v13-18, which shows up the vast majority of pastors/teachers here in the West as charlatans I would think!
 
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jb said:
The Book of James is a real test to line our lives up against...

I think especially of James 5v13-18, which shows up the vast majority of pastors/teachers here in the West as charlatans I would think!
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in what way ?
 
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Guojing said:
The book of James was the 1st NT book ever to be written. People put the time of that writing after the events in Acts 8, where the Jews were scattered abroad from Jerusalem.

There was no indication that James was even aware of Paul's conversion, nor the Jerusalem council event in Acts 15, in his letter.

Before the revelation of the mystery given to Paul, how does a Jew show his faith in God?
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"There was no indication" "People" We must be careful that in seeking truth we do not allow it to be concealed by semantics.
 
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John146 said:
Which of the twelve tribes do y’all belong?😉
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You don't have to belong to the twelve tribes to take the epistle of James to heart. While addressed to Hebrew Christians, it is at the same time addressed to all Christians.
 
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Derek1955 said:
"There was no indication" "People" We must be careful that in seeking truth we do not allow it to be concealed by semantics.
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But what do you think? It all boils down to the question that I posed in my last paragraph.

"Before the revelation of the mystery given to Paul, how does a Jew show his faith in God?"
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
You don't have to belong to the twelve tribes to take the epistle of James to heart. While addressed to Hebrew Christians, it is at the same time addressed to all Christians.
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Hebrew Christians are equated as the twelve tribes in Scripture? Where is that found? Every time I see that phrase “twelve tribes” it is always a reference to the entire nation of Israel and never a called out group from that nation.
 
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Guojing said:
But what do you think? It all boils down to the question that I posed in my last paragraph.

"Before the revelation of the mystery given to Paul, how does a Jew show his faith in God?"
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Ooh, me...through the obedience of works. See Hebrews 11.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Have you forgotten that James speaks of "pure religion"? You are speaking about impure religion.
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James 1:26 - If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. This man's religion is vain, empty, devoid of power, lacking in content, nonproductive, dead and of no eternal value. James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. There is absolutely nothing wrong with "pure and undefiled religion" but there is certainly something wrong with "impure and defiled religion."
 
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John146 said:
Which of the twelve tribes do y’all belong?😉
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Which church of Corinth do you belong to? :) Galatia?

Reading the bible like the dispies you can throw out the entire Bible. Straight to the dumpster, none of it is written to 21st century people.
 
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Hevosmies said:
Which church of Corinth do you belong? :)

Reading the bible like the dispies you can throw out the entire Bible. Straight to the dumpster, none of it is written to 21st century people.
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The Church at Corinth are members of the body of Christ so any doctrine given to them is doctrine to any member of the body of Christ. Doctrine given to the twelve tribes is for any member of the twelve tribes. To which tribe do you belong? Are you a part of the body of Christ or part of the twelve tribes?
 
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mailmandan said:
James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. The
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To James works make faith visible.
 
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Benadam said:
To James works make faith visible.
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James 2:18 - But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
 
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John146 said:
The Church at Corinth are members of the body of Christ so any doctrine given to them is doctrine to any member of the body of Christ. Doctrine given to the twelve tribes is for any member of the twelve tribes. To which tribe do you belong? Are you a part of the body of Christ or part of the twelve tribes?
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Why cant the members of the 12 tribes be part of the body of Christ? Clearly these are saved people being written to, talking about let elders come and pray and so on and so forth? Why would unsaved people be sent such a letter.

ITS OVER.

Im part of the tribe of GYPSY
 
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Hevosmies said:
Why cant the members of the 12 tribes be part of the body of Christ? Clearly these are saved people being written to, talking about let elders come and pray and so on and so forth? Why would unsaved people be sent such a letter.

ITS OVER.

Im part of the tribe of GYPSY
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Every reference throughout Scripture is always to the entire nation of Israel. The term twelve tribes is never used for Christians. Notice it does not say to the Jewish Christians out of the twelve tribes, but simply the twelve tribes.

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

When will the twelve tribes of Israel be scattered abroad? Many prophetic references in the OT point to Jacob's trouble, the tribulation.
 
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Hevosmies said:
Why cant the members of the 12 tribes be part of the body of Christ? Clearly these are saved people being written to, talking about let elders come and pray and so on and so forth? Why would unsaved people be sent such a letter.

ITS OVER.

Im part of the tribe of GYPSY
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It is obvious that at least part of the audience has not received the word and their souls are not saved.

1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
 
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John146 said:
Every reference throughout Scripture is always to the entire nation of Israel. The term twelve tribes is never used for Christians. Notice it does not say to the Jewish Christians out of the twelve tribes, but simply the twelve tribes.

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

When will the twelve tribes of Israel be scattered abroad? Many prophetic references in the OT point to Jacob's trouble, the tribulation.
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You are a day late a dollar short, Israel was already scattered when James wrote..... He says it at the very beginning, he is sending the letter to these people, in the 1st century. Israel has been scattered before Jesus even showed up, with many of the people staying babylon during their captivity. It became even worse after 70AD where even more people were scattered.
 
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Genuine question...
Was not the believing Jews at Stephens death also part of the scattered believers , they fled in fear of being persecuted for The Way...
These Jews were believers in Christ...
...xox...
 
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