Jerusalem Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great, The Seven Hilled City

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Pilgrimshope

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What Does that have to do with historical fact, the high priest wore purple, scarlet, gold and Jewels this religious org is referred to in the feminine (Her) a woman

Scripture in Isaiah 66:1-4 below clearly shows a future house built in Jerusalem, with renewed animal sacrifice, that God calls an Abomination?

I believe the temple institute n Jerusalem has the priestly garments ready to go?

Temple Institute Priestly Garments

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Yes the second temple period is when thier covenant was defiled . And sacrifices were an abomination the time period between 100 years pre Malachi and the 300 plus years later when Jesus arrives at the temple To signify the giving of the new covenant .


“And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the Lord of hosts.

Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for nought? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the Lord of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering:

for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the Lord is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible.

Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the Lord of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the Lord. But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing:

for I am a great King, saith the Lord of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭1:8, 10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the second temple is tricky in that God had told David that he would build David an house because he no longer dwelt in things made by men’s hands like the temple .

The second temple in Jerusalem became a point of cursing through the rejection of the messiah. Because they had already defiled so thoroughly the covenant made at Sinai with the children of Israel .

they began offering the worst they had the lawn and blind the spotted and flawed animals they gave God thier leftovers and looked at it as a hassle and a grievance to do so.

thier prophets had been prophecying lies to the people leading them astray calling it Gods word , thier priests defiled the priesthood The elders defiled the covenant they had worshipped false Gods again and again painted images of false gods inside the temple devoted to God.

the second temple
Period was then trying to force themselves on God after he had already declared the end of and breaking of thier cocenant which is wheee the term I ology whore comes from they repeatedly committed adultery with foreign gods . Which is the first commandment in their covenant .

God had told David a man made temple was useless because he had not dwelt in a man made house since delivering them from Egypt . When they rejected him and Moses interceded and then he placed his angel to go before them. And be with them in thier travels .

the real temple is in heaven. Where Christ made the sacrifice of the order of melchezideks priesthood before the mosaic law and after .

The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the worldly sanctuary was only a pattern of the temple in heaven

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1, 6-11, 23-24‬ ‭


We have a temple and a priesthood it’s just in the new Jerusalem in heaven

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Of course its not true. God made Adam the federal head of the church, He bears original sin.
Romans 5
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned— 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not counted against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the violation committed by Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. (with Moses came the Law and the ability to obtain forgivness for sin by the blood of scapegoats et all.)
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18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind. 19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
How does your post pertain to the idea that the biblical terms that define the war in heaven originate on earth through the original humans described in Genesis?
 

GraceAndTruth

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How does your post pertain to the idea that the biblical terms that define the war in heaven originate on earth through the original humans described in Genesis?
I may regret this....but
Give me your scripture quotes because I have NO IDEA what you are trying to ask.
What war in heaven?
 

calibob

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I may regret this....but
Give me your scripture quotes because I have NO IDEA what you are trying to ask.
What war in heaven?
It's almost entirely in the Apocrypha. I recall a little tidbit from the New Testament but it'll take some work to find it. The New Testament occasionally references texts that were either lost or discarded.
 

calibob

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I may regret this....but
Give me your scripture quotes because I have NO IDEA what you are trying to ask.
What war in heaven?

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.— Revelation 12:7–10 (NIV)

"Revelation's war in heaven is related to the idea of fallen angels, and possible parallels have been proposed in the Hebrew Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls." (?????)

(co Wikipedia)
 
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I may regret this....but
Give me your scripture quotes because I have NO IDEA what you are trying to ask.
What war in heaven?
I may regret this....but
Give me your scripture quotes because I have NO IDEA what you are trying to ask.
What war in heaven?
I was explaining how some of the obscure phrases that describe the 'harlot' such as 'all the blood ever shed on earth is on her hand's and 'Mother of harlots' find complete resolution in the lives of the first family as described in Genesis.

Example;
Revelation 18:7

As she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, so give her a like measure of torment and grief. Since in her heart she says, ‘I rule as a queen; I am no widow, and I will never see grief,’


Only Eve can meet those conditions. Especially "never see grief" which is a reference to her being mother of all the living.
 

GraceAndTruth

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I was explaining how some of the obscure phrases that describe the 'harlot' such as 'all the blood ever shed on earth is on her hand's and 'Mother of harlots' find complete resolution in the lives of the first family as described in Genesis.

Example;
Revelation 18:7

As she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, so give her a like measure of torment and grief. Since in her heart she says, ‘I rule as a queen; I am no widow, and I will never see grief,’

Only Eve can meet those conditions. Especially "never see grief" which is a reference to her being mother of all the living.
Entire chapter 18 is about Rome...the Caesars Rome
 

GraceAndTruth

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Yes the second temple period is when thier covenant was defiled . And sacrifices were an abomination the time period between 100 years pre Malachi and the 300 plus years later when Jesus arrives at the temple To signify the giving of the new covenant .


“And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the Lord of hosts.

Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for nought? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the Lord of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.

For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering:

for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye have profaned it, in that ye say, The table of the Lord is polluted; and the fruit thereof, even his meat, is contemptible.

Ye said also, Behold, what a weariness is it! and ye have snuffed at it, saith the Lord of hosts; and ye brought that which was torn, and the lame, and the sick; thus ye brought an offering: should I accept this of your hand? saith the Lord. But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing:

for I am a great King, saith the Lord of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭1:8, 10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the second temple is tricky in that God had told David that he would build David an house because he no longer dwelt in things made by men’s hands like the temple .

The second temple in Jerusalem became a point of cursing through the rejection of the messiah. Because they had already defiled so thoroughly the covenant made at Sinai with the children of Israel .

they began offering the worst they had the lawn and blind the spotted and flawed animals they gave God thier leftovers and looked at it as a hassle and a grievance to do so.

thier prophets had been prophecying lies to the people leading them astray calling it Gods word , thier priests defiled the priesthood The elders defiled the covenant they had worshipped false Gods again and again painted images of false gods inside the temple devoted to God.

the second temple
Period was then trying to force themselves on God after he had already declared the end of and breaking of thier cocenant which is wheee the term I ology whore comes from they repeatedly committed adultery with foreign gods . Which is the first commandment in their covenant .

God had told David a man made temple was useless because he had not dwelt in a man made house since delivering them from Egypt . When they rejected him and Moses interceded and then he placed his angel to go before them. And be with them in thier travels .

the real temple is in heaven. Where Christ made the sacrifice of the order of melchezideks priesthood before the mosaic law and after .

The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the worldly sanctuary was only a pattern of the temple in heaven

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1, 6-11, 23-24‬ ‭


We have a temple and a priesthood it’s just in the new Jerusalem in heaven

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬
where would one even start to unravel that mess?
 

calibob

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I'd rather concern my self on spreading the word that Jesus saves than continue in this line of discussion. I have heard and seen too many 'Bible scholars' get off track and quarrel over it With no resolution.

I'm outie.
 
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This is one half proof. Matthew 23 speaks of the "prophets". In Revelation 18:24 THREE bloods are found, (i) the prophets, (ii) the saints, and (iii) all that were slain on the earth. Added to this, Chapter 18 is about a commercial Babylon that is destroyed by God. Revelation 17 is about a religious Babylon that is destroyed by men.

The Great Whore has the following description
  • She sits on "many waters". This depicts the Gentiles (v.15). Israel is not carried by the Nations
  • She fornicated with the kings of the earth. Israel was subjected to the kings of the earth
  • She has the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. Rome killed much more Christians than Jerusalem, so did Mao
  • She is carried by the Beast - a Gentile king
  • The Beast comes out the "sea" - Gentile (Israel is "the sand of the sea-shore")
  • The Beast is a resurrected man. No resurrected man ruled Jerusalem
  • The Beast gets power from the kings of the earth. Jerusalem is subjugated by the kings of the earth
  • John says a certain line of kings rule. Rome had the kings of John's day
  • The Whore is a City which reigned over the kings of the earth. Rome did. Jerusalem was subjugated by Rome and then destroyed
  • In Revelation 13:7 the Beast reigned over all peoples. Jerusalem never did
  • The Beast's name is a number - six hundred and sixty six. The only name of a known king, which when turned into a number, in both Hebrew and Greek's gematria, is "CEASAR NERO" - who is also one of the five kings of Rome who died before John wrote Revelation
  • In Daniel, it is the fourth world Empire that is crushed by the Lord at His return. Rome is the fourth after Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon
  • Rome has ruled continuously since they came to power. It is just that they change armor for priests clothes in about 313 AD. They went from being, "The Roman Empire" to, "The Holy Roman Empire"
  • Jerusalem never reign over kings, nations or the whole world.
I think that the evidence is that the Great Whore is Rome. She is called "Babylon" not because of geography, but because all six world powers, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome all followed the pagan religion developed by Nimrod of Babylon. Men rate military power as the dictating power on earth. The Bible rightly regards religion as stronger. What a man BELIEVES is stronger than what he is ORDERED to do. Jerusalem was, and will never be a world power until our Lord Jesus reigns from there in the Millennium. She has been destroyed a number of times and was desolate for centuries.
I'm not sure if you are aware of this but the occupants of Israel have come from many nations. It is a country of immigrants and they speak many tongues.
The waters described is a v we y good description of Jerusalem.

Can you quote any prophet in scripture that has described Rome as being a harlot?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-21.htm
 
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I'm not sure if you are aware of this but the occupants of Israel have come from many nations. It is a country of immigrants and they speak many tongues.
The waters described is a v we y good description of Jerusalem.

Can you quote any prophet in scripture that has described Rome as being a harlot?

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-21.htm
But I do not address who the occupants are. The curses of the Law are that foreigners would rule over Israel. The most despised of them, the Edomites, produced Herod. Their mortal enemy, Islam has their third most holy shrine there - and Israel are powerfles to do anything. The Gentiles rule over Jerusalem, not Jerusalem ruling over them. Jerusalem under David never ruled over "the kings of the earth". It ousted the kings of it small piece of Land in this earth between Aquaba and the Euphrates. Since Nebuchadnezzar, Jerusalem has been a backwater in world affairs. If the USA did not have oil interests in the region, Jerusalem, would be all but a ruin.

Rome on the other hand ruled the known world, and then when it declined militarily, it changed armor for priest's clothing and ruled from the pulpit. It's religion - that of Nimrod of Babylon. The effigy of Daniel 2 is the scheme of world powers from Nebuchadnezzar to Christ. Are you maintaining that one of them is Israel?

Your question concerning Rome is strange. Rome is not the Harlot. The "Mother of harlots" is the religion from Nimrod's Babylon that was exercised by all six world powers - "Mystery Babylon the Great". Israel, Judah and Jerusalem played the "harlot" by embracing the gods of the Gentile world. But Jerusalem is not called the MOTHER OF HARLOTS, she is at best one of her "daughters".

I think my answer to you is reasonable and sound. If that was your only objection, then I take it that the other 13 or so points stand?
 

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How does your post pertain to the idea that the biblical terms that define the war in heaven originate on earth through the original humans described in Genesis?
heaven and earth exist simultaneously spirit is of heaven flesh is of earth .
where would one even start to unravel that mess?
Revelation describes the entire journey. Prophecy is like Jesus. It happened. It is happening and is yet to be complete.
yes that is exactly right and very enlightening . it is past, present and future all occurring perpetually until the end . It’s really the whole story of the Bible packed into a prophetic heavenly vision about creations fall , heavens corruption by Satan him being cast out into earth and given power for a time , the judgements of God and the redemption of creation after its fall and destruction through Christ eventually culminating in the greatest Christian promise

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all Of prophecy Unfolds in revelations heavenly vision

“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭4:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s a throne in new Jerusalem which is in heaven and heaven is coming to earth in the end
 

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(Jerusalem) is the whore, mystery Babylon the great.

(Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

Revelation 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Matthew 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Yes Jerusalem Is The Whore
 
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That is the who're riding the beast.

All the blood ever shed on earth points to Cain and Eve. Queen on her throne.
Cain was raised by a mother who considered herself as the generator of Man.

The above....

Thanks!
GraceandTruth....you gave me an 'X' here and in another thread because I didn't agree with a few of your other posts. Funny how in post 47 of this thread you gave me an 'X'....to another individual's post I had copied and pasted. You may want to learn to read a post and understand it before taking your vengeance out....pretty childish, if you ask me.....
 

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GraceandTruth....you gave me an 'X' here and in another thread because I didn't agree with a few of your other posts. Funny how in post 47 of this thread you gave me an 'X'....to another individual's post I had copied and pasted. You may want to learn to read a post and understand it before taking your vengeance out....pretty childish, if you ask me.....
that’s what trying to worship grace does to people