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It is very clear that you have not studied the Bible. You are too young and inexperienced to have any clue about what you are advocating. Nor do you have any idea about HOW to study the Bible. If you are not too proud or arrogant to learn I would be delighted to spend some time to study with you to help you find the answers to your questions. Would you be willing?
 
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Jesus IS God in the Koran!

Mark 13:32
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

Shows how he doesn't have God qualities and only human ones and those assigned to Prophets.

Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

No mention of Jesus. Left to you to infer and hypothesize

Jesus knows the Hour in the Koran...

Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…



ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلا بل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم


Walamma duriba ibnu maryama mathalan itha qawmuka minhu yasiddoona waqaloo aalihatuna khayrun am huwa ma daraboohu laka illa jadalan bal hum qawmun khasimoona in huwa illa AAabdun anAAamna AAalayhi wajaAAalnahu mathalan libanee isra-eela walaw nashao lajaAAalna minkum mala-ikatan fee al-ardi yakhlufoona wa-innahu laAAilmun lilssaAAati fala tamtarunna biha waittabiAAooni hatha siratun mustaqeemun

And only Mary's Son, held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” That they set Him forth to you except disputation, but they, a nation (of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him, and we made Him a sign to Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth, they succeed. And truly He (has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)



Here, only Jesus Christ is described as being a sign to the people.

Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa”) both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.

Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.


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قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون


Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona

Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. And exalted whom certainly His, King (of) the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection, and to Him you are taken back. And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, except He; He bore witness on account of The Truth and them, they know. (43.81- 86)




Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).

Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:

• Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
• Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is Lord of the Throne
• Jesus is God upon the Cloud
• Jesus is God upon the Earth
• Jesus is The Intercession
• Jesus is The Witness
• Jesus is The Truth
• None are superior to Him
• Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection



Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.
 
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وهو الذي خلق السموت والأرض بالحق ويوم
يقول كن فيكون قوله الحق وله الملك يوم ينفخ
في الصور علم الغيب والشهدة وهو الحكيم
الخبير


Wahuwa allathee khalaqa alssamawati waal-arda bialhaqqi wayawma yaqoolu kun fayakoonu qawluhu alhaqqu walahu almulku yawma yunfakhu fee alssoori AAalimu alghaybi waalshshahadati wahuwa alhakeemu alkhabeeru

6.73 And he, whom created the heavens and the earth, through The Truth, and a day He says: "Be." So it becomes; His Word (is) The Truth, and certainly He (is) the King; a day the bugle will be blown, knower (of) the unseen, and the testimony, and He is the wise, the ever aware.


Here, we are told that His Word is The Truth...of which, both are Biblical epithets for Jesus Christ, as well as 'The King'....and the day that the bugle will be blown (from Revelation).




The following ayah tells us quite plainly that they merely copied the fact that Jesus created the universe from previous Revelation…i.e. from “The Book”...i.e. from the Holy Bible…



خلق الله السموت والأرض بالحق إن في ذلك لءاية للمؤمنين

Khalaqa Allahu alssamawati waal-arda bialhaqqi inna fee thalika laayatan lilmu-mineena

29.44 “allah” created the heavens and the earth through The Truth, certainly in that previous Revelation to believers.



As confirmed by the authors of the Koran, the Universe was created through Jesus Christ (i.e. The Truth)....as this is most certainly contained in the previous Revelation to believers...


False translations you posted.

And it is He who created the heavens and earth in truth. And the day He says, "Be," and it is, His word is the truth. And His is the dominion [on] the Day the Horn is blown. [He is] Knower of the unseen and the witnessed; and He is the Wise, the Acquainted.
Quran 6: 73


"Allah created the heavens and the earth in truth. Indeed in that is a sign for the believers."


Not " through the truth" anywhere. Though even if it did say I don't know in what universe that brought to your mind Jesus.

I dont post false translations. It would make sense based on truth that you didn't either.
 
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Lots of things are mis-interpreted in English; and that's why judgement will begin at the pulpit, because they were the one's that many counted on to clarify the scriptures, while they were busy taking care of GOD Almighty's other business, raising HIS children, by example.

A great example of the distorted truth's that they pass off is the one that you mentioned about the cup. This IS NOT Christ asking to have the work on the cross to be removed from him; But rather, it is about the cup of wrath in revelation's that Christ is concerned with.

Untold millions of people before this generation, willingly gave their lives for Christ and their fellow man. Christ also gave his flesh life willingly.

Just like us in this flesh, Christ while in this flesh, did not know the book of revelations, but that book was prophesied through him by The Holy Spirit, just like all the other books were prophesied through people, by The Holy Spirit.

GOD ALMIGHTY is ALWAYS fair, and NEVER lets anything bad happen without warning, when it comes to ALL His people.

Christ most certainly IS GOD, he just isn't GOD ALMIGHTY. because though a Godhead IS referring to beings. GOD itself IS NOT a being, it IS the acronym to The Mission of Christ; to Get Over Death. GOD


Though Christ, also being born innocent of woman, just like the rest of us, having a real bad case of amnesia, Christ was not ignorant of The Word up to real time events; But! future events were still in need of clarification and conformation.

That IS why he taught The Word until he was 30, because Christ IS The Word that had already been spoken and recorded by Our Father, through Moses and The Prophet's. Christ was simply affirming and confirming that same Word.

It is after receiving The Holy Spirit, that Christ began to clarify the things that are already prophesied and recorded, concerning the facts of future events; and he accomplished that, the same way we should, through sincere prayer to Our Father.

Though Christ/Messiah/Melchezidek IS fully and completely representative of Our Father in Word, Will and Spirit, When it comes to POWER! he is just a Son/Sun, (mind you of course, The First Begotten) just like the rest of us morenaturely are. :cool:

I believe that people waaaaaay underestimate the MoreNatural Powers that are; Both the negative and the positive.
 
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It is very clear that you have not studied the Bible. You are too young and inexperienced to have any clue about what you are advocating. Nor do you have any idea about HOW to study the Bible. If you are not too proud or arrogant to learn I would be delighted to spend some time to study with you to help you find the answers to your questions. Would you be willing?
The only way to make any headway with followers of islam is to use their very own scriptures against their position.
 
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Re: Jesus IS God in the Koran!

Jesus knows the Hour in the Koran...

Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…



ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلا بل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم


Walamma duriba ibnu maryama mathalan itha qawmuka minhu yasiddoona waqaloo aalihatuna khayrun am huwa ma daraboohu laka illa jadalan bal hum qawmun khasimoona in huwa illa AAabdun anAAamna AAalayhi wajaAAalnahu mathalan libanee isra-eela walaw nashao lajaAAalna minkum mala-ikatan fee al-ardi yakhlufoona wa-innahu laAAilmun lilssaAAati fala tamtarunna biha waittabiAAooni hatha siratun mustaqeemun

And only Mary's Son, held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” That they set Him forth to you except disputation, but they, a nation (of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him, and we made Him a sign to Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth, they succeed. And truly He (has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)



Here, only Jesus Christ is described as being a sign to the people.

Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa”) both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.

Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.


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قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون


Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona

Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. And exalted whom certainly His, King (of) the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection, and to Him you are taken back. And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, except He; He bore witness on account of The Truth and them, they know. (43.81- 86)




Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).

Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:

• Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
• Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
• Jesus is Lord of the Throne
• Jesus is God upon the Cloud
• Jesus is God upon the Earth
• Jesus is The Intercession
• Jesus is The Witness
• Jesus is The Truth
• None are superior to Him
• Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection



Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.


And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path.


Again what you posted is false. It doesn't say he knows the last hour. But that Jesus will be a sign of the final hour. Jesus is going to reappear, and when he does it's going to be known the Day of Judgement is very near!


You're posting false translations. You're cool! Haha.
 
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Study up...

False translations you posted.

And it is He who created the heavens and earth in truth. And the day He says, "Be," and it is, His word is the truth. And His is the dominion [on] the Day the Horn is blown. [He is] Knower of the unseen and the witnessed; and He is the Wise, the Acquainted.
Quran 6: 73


"Allah created the heavens and the earth in truth. Indeed in that is a sign for the believers."


Not " through the truth" anywhere. Though even if it did say I don't know in what universe that brought to your mind Jesus.

I dont post false translations. It would make sense based on truth that you didn't either.

Defining the term…


الحق = “alhaqqi”

“alhaqqi” definition:

The Truth; one of the names of “allah” ; due share; justice; right claim; what ought to be; duty; incumbent.

It comes from the root “haqqa”, which means it was, or became, suitable to the requirements of wisdom, justice, right or rightness, truth, or reality, or fact; or to the exigencies of the case; it was, or became, just, proper, right, correct, or true; authentic, genuine, sound, valid, substantial, or real; established, or confirmed as truth or fact; and necessitated, obligatory, incumbent or due; it was, or became, a manifest and an indubitable fact or event; it happened, betided, or befell, surely, without doubt or uncertainty. To be right, just or fitting, worthy of, justly due to, proper, genuine, real, a fact, true, necessitated, suitable, necessary, incumbent upon, suited to the requirement of justice, become certain, authentic, deserve.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 605 – 610
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 131



Per the classic definition, “alhaqqi” means 'The Truth', and is actually a name for “allah”.




Observe how “alhaqqi” is applied to Jesus Christ in the Koran…


The Truth is only Jesus Christ (4.171)
The Truth is The Word (6.73, 4.171)
The Truth created the Universe (6.73, 6.101, 10.5, 14.19, 15.85, 16.3, 29.44, 39.5, 45.22, 46.3, 64.3)
The Truth paid the debt and is the sacrifice (48.28 )
The Truth forgives sins (47.2)
The Truth is “Muhammad” (47.2)







Some examples…


يأهل الكتب لا تغلوا في دينكم ولا تقولوا على الله
إلا الحق إنما المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول الله
وكلمته ألقيها إلى مريم وروح منه فءامنوا بالله
ورسله ولا تقولوا ثلثة انتهوا خيرا لكم إنما الله
إله وحد سبحنه أن يكون له ولد له ما في
السموت وما في الأرض وكفى بالله وكيلا


Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

4.171 You The Book's family, do not go beyond the limits in your faith, and they do not say on “allah” except The Truth (is) only The Messiah Jesus, Mary's son, “allah’s” messenger, and his Word, cast forth to her, Mary, and Spirit from him; so believe by “allah”, and his messengers, and they do not say "Three." Refrain (it is) certainly agreeable to you, only “allah” one god glory be to him, that He has certainly been his Son, truly His what is in the heavens and in the earth and He sufficed by “allah”, a witness.





Here is the classic definition for “innama”…

إنما = “innama”

“innama” definition:

According to the grammarians, it is a compound of “inna” and “ma”, which latter prevents the former’s having any government: it imports restriction: it imports the restriction of that which it precedes to that which follows it. In other words, it is used to particularize, or specify, or distinguish a thing from other things: it affirms a thing in relation to that which is mentioned after it, and denies it in relation to other things. Some say that it does not import restriction, but only corroboration of an affirmation, because it is a compound of the corroborative “inna” and the redundant “ma” which restrains the former from exercising government, and that it has no application to denote negation implied in restriction. It therefore seems that it is susceptible of both these meanings, bearing one or the other according as this or that suits the place. Rendered as “only”, verily.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 103 – 111; 118
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, p. 285
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 35
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 11



The classic definition quite clearly states that “innama” affirms a thing in relation to that which is mentioned after it.

Thus, “alhaqqi” (i.e. The Truth), is the “thing” that is being related to Jesus – which is mentioned after it.

Hence, “The Truth is only Jesus Christ”.
 
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I haven't seen you post any accurate translations yet but only false ones.

What's up with that? I haven't come here mistranslating the bible. That's simply ignorant.
 
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Re: Study up...

Defining the term…


الحق = “alhaqqi”

“alhaqqi” definition:

The Truth; one of the names of “allah” ; due share; justice; right claim; what ought to be; duty; incumbent.

It comes from the root “haqqa”, which means it was, or became, suitable to the requirements of wisdom, justice, right or rightness, truth, or reality, or fact; or to the exigencies of the case; it was, or became, just, proper, right, correct, or true; authentic, genuine, sound, valid, substantial, or real; established, or confirmed as truth or fact; and necessitated, obligatory, incumbent or due; it was, or became, a manifest and an indubitable fact or event; it happened, betided, or befell, surely, without doubt or uncertainty. To be right, just or fitting, worthy of, justly due to, proper, genuine, real, a fact, true, necessitated, suitable, necessary, incumbent upon, suited to the requirement of justice, become certain, authentic, deserve.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 605 – 610
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 131



Per the classic definition, “alhaqqi” means 'The Truth', and is actually a name for “allah”.




Observe how “alhaqqi” is applied to Jesus Christ in the Koran…


The Truth is only Jesus Christ (4.171)
The Truth is The Word (6.73, 4.171)
The Truth created the Universe (6.73, 6.101, 10.5, 14.19, 15.85, 16.3, 29.44, 39.5, 45.22, 46.3, 64.3)
The Truth paid the debt and is the sacrifice (48.28 )
The Truth forgives sins (47.2)
The Truth is “Muhammad” (47.2)







Some examples…


يأهل الكتب لا تغلوا في دينكم ولا تقولوا على الله
إلا الحق إنما المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول الله
وكلمته ألقيها إلى مريم وروح منه فءامنوا بالله
ورسله ولا تقولوا ثلثة انتهوا خيرا لكم إنما الله
إله وحد سبحنه أن يكون له ولد له ما في
السموت وما في الأرض وكفى بالله وكيلا


Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

4.171 You The Book's family, do not go beyond the limits in your faith, and they do not say on “allah” except The Truth (is) only The Messiah Jesus, Mary's son, “allah’s” messenger, and his Word, cast forth to her, Mary, and Spirit from him; so believe by “allah”, and his messengers, and they do not say "Three." Refrain (it is) certainly agreeable to you, only “allah” one god glory be to him, that He has certainly been his Son, truly His what is in the heavens and in the earth and He sufficed by “allah”, a witness.





Here is the classic definition for “innama”…

إنما = “innama”

“innama” definition:

According to the grammarians, it is a compound of “inna” and “ma”, which latter prevents the former’s having any government: it imports restriction: it imports the restriction of that which it precedes to that which follows it. In other words, it is used to particularize, or specify, or distinguish a thing from other things: it affirms a thing in relation to that which is mentioned after it, and denies it in relation to other things. Some say that it does not import restriction, but only corroboration of an affirmation, because it is a compound of the corroborative “inna” and the redundant “ma” which restrains the former from exercising government, and that it has no application to denote negation implied in restriction. It therefore seems that it is susceptible of both these meanings, bearing one or the other according as this or that suits the place. Rendered as “only”, verily.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 103 – 111; 118
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, p. 285
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 35
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 11



The classic definition quite clearly states that “innama” affirms a thing in relation to that which is mentioned after it.

Thus, “alhaqqi” (i.e. The Truth), is the “thing” that is being related to Jesus – which is mentioned after it.

Hence, “The Truth is only Jesus Christ”.


False once again. " The Truth" is not one of the names of Allah. That's false once again.
 
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You tried to quote 6: 101 which was again false in the way you tried to use it.

He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.
 
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Re: Jesus IS God in the Koran!

And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path.


Again what you posted is false. It doesn't say he knows the last hour. But that Jesus will be a sign of the final hour.
Jesus is going to reappear, and when he does it's going to be known the Day of Judgement is very near!


You're posting false translations. You're cool! Haha.

Only God reappears at Judgment Day, brother...

Therefore, Jesus is God!
 
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Oldhermit,

The Bible was given to Jesus because the Old Torah was corrupted. The Bible was corrupted by people such as Paul and the enemies of Jesus who deceived others into believing he was God.

He never claimed he was God. He was a Prophet like Abraham, Moses, Noah, Adam, like it had been. He was preaching the word of One God. Worship that God. Do not associate others with him. Be moral and virtuous and follow his word.
Sleepy, you have to look no further than the bible to see very clearly that the Pharisees themselves believed Jesus was claiming far more than prophet status. They rend their clothing and cry "BLASPHEMY!"

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
 

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This guy is obviously a waste of my time. Allah is not God and the Koran is not the Word of God so we will never be able to establish a common frame of reference for supreme authority.
 
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Quran 4:171 Actual Verse

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.


Your verse.

4.171 You The Book's family, do not go beyond the limits in your faith, and they do not say on “allah”except The Truth (is) only The Messiah Jesus, Mary's son, “allah’s” messenger, and his Word, cast forth to her, Mary, and Spirit from him; so believe by “allah”, and his messengers, and they do not say "Three." Refrain (it is) certainly agreeable to you, only “allah” one god glory be to him, that He has certainly been his Son, truly His what is in the heavens and in the earth and He sufficed by “allah”, a witness.

False once again
 
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You're getting owned...

I haven't seen you post any accurate translations yet but only false ones.

What's up with that? I haven't come here mistranslating the bible. That's simply ignorant.
We are directly quoting the Arabic.

What's the matter, don't you know Arabic?!
 
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Re: Jesus IS God in the Koran!

Only God reappears at Judgment Day, brother...

Therefore, Jesus is God!
False once again. Every being in humanity will be there before God. And one by one we will have our turns in viewing every moment of our lives
 
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This guy is obviously a waste of my time. Allah is not God and the Koran is not the Word of God so we will never be able to establish a common frame of reference for supreme authority.
Oldhermit, Allah is the Arabic word for God. Unlike the English version there is no plural or feminine version of the word. Christian and Jewish Arabs both use the word Allah as well.

What do you even know about Islam oldhermit?
 

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Apparently about ass much as you know about Christianity.
 
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It is very clear that you have not studied the Bible. You are too young and inexperienced to have any clue about what you are advocating. Nor do you have any idea about HOW to study the Bible. If you are not too proud or arrogant to learn I would be delighted to spend some time to study with you to help you find the answers to your questions. Would you be willing?
The bible's verses are clear. Jesus is not all knowing. Jesus was asking himself praying to himself. Now we could have a discussion about it regardless so we both can agree what is true.
 
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You tried to quote 6: 101 which was again false in the way you tried to use it.

He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.


Creation ex-nihilo by the Son




بديع السموت والأرض أنى يكون له ولد ولم تكن
له صحبة وخلق كل شيء وهو بكل شيء عليم


BadeeAAu alssamawati waal-ardi anna yakoonu lahu waladun walam takun lahu sahibatun wakhalaqa kulla shay-in wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun

6.101 Originator (of) the heavens and the earth, that He has certainly been his Son, and certainly not to be his companion, and He created every thing that He will, and He on account of every thing that he will who knows.


Just as in other Koranic creation ex-nihilo ayahs, the Son, Jesus Christ, is mentioned as being present at the origin of the Universe, confirming that He is God Almighty.

Further, the distinction of Jesus’ deity is confirmed by distancing Himself from just being a “companion” (sahibatun).