Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

[Jocund]

MOSES' LAW
Called "the law of Moses" (Luke 2:22).
Called "law ... contained in ordinances" (Ephesians 2:15).
Written by Moses in a book (2 Chronicles 35:12).
Placed in the side of the ark (Deuteronomy 31:26).
Ended at the cross (Ephesians 2:15).
Added because of sin (Galatians 3:19).
Contrary to us, against us (Colossians 2:14).
Judges no one (Colossians 2:14-16).
Fleshly (Hebrews 7:16).
Made nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:19).

GOD'S LAW
Called "the law of the Lord" (Isaiah 5:24).
Called "the royal law" (James 2:8).
Written by God on stone (Exodus 31:18 32:16).
Placed inside the ark (Exodus 40:20).
Will stand forever (Luke 16:17).
Points out sin (Romans 7:7 3:20).
Not burdensome (1 John 5:3).
Judges all people (James 2:10-12).
Spiritual (Romans 7:14).
Perfect (Psalms 19:7).

I don't agree with the concept that the stone tablets were permanent ordinances that stand by themselves. "Not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart"

"Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." - 2 Cor 3:3-18 KJV

When we look at the account of Exodus 20 with the context of the last verse of Exodus 19, the words of God speaking about the ten commandments came through Moses. The stone tablets written by the finger of God never made it to the people. And the second set of tablets may or may have not been written by God through the hands of Moses.

The epistle of Christ was not ministered through ink or stones, as we see in 2 Cor 3, therefore it wasn't Christ's finger that created the stone tablets to begin with. Those commandments can't be shoehorned into the list of commandments pursuant to "if you love me, keep my commandments." The OT iteration of the ten commandments are 100% Mosaic.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Again, works demonstrate whether we love Jesus or hate Jesus, and our choice to love Him or hate Him is what determines our destiny. Choice is not work, it's thought. Yes, I know it's an unwelcome truth to those who love sin. They should join the RCC, seeing that here is the real reason why so many "Protestants" fiercely defend her:

"A prayerful study of the Bible would show Protestants the real character of the papacy, and would cause them to abhor and to shun it; but many are so wise in their own conceit that they feel no need of humbly seeking God that they may be led into the truth. Although priding themselves on their enlightenment, they are ignorant both of the Scriptures and of the power of God. They must have some means of quieting their consciences; and they seek that which is least spiritual and humiliating. What they desire is a method of forgetting God which shall pass as a method of remembering him. The papacy is well adapted to meet the wants of all these. It is prepared for two classes of mankind, embracing nearly the whole world,—those who would be saved by their merits, and those who would be saved in their sins." - Great Controversy, pp. 572​

again

God does not need proof. He can look into your soul and know the truth

Works justify us before men. They will never justify us before God.

its funny how you mock the RCC. yet when you come to it. your really just like them. Use works as a means to earn eternal life. instead of looking toGod the author and finisher of your faith. in the god who as paul said, is confident of the fact, that he who began a good work in ALL of his children. will complete it.

 

[Isaskar]

Part of the new testament is Law.

You didn't know this?

Which part? Are you one of those dispensationalists who disregard what Jesus said as just law and its Paul's epistles only?

Because if you are, no problem,. Paul also repeats the commandments in Romans 13:9

 

[Grandpa]

Which is it? Either Paul is putting us under a yoke of bondage by telling us to keep commandments that are part of the Ten Commandments......OR.....Paul doesn't consider keeping God's commandments to be a "yoke" of bondage unless we're trying to earn salvation by that, right or wrong?.

Wrong.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

There is no caveat here. You are adding that in order to fit your false philosophy. Because you don't understand Christianity. What you understand is legalism.

Here is Christianity;

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

BTW, "...His commandments are not grievous" to them that love Him, but those that despise Him will fight Him tooth and nail to be free from their obligatory "reasonable service". Church is full of em.

"Reasonable service" being to place Christians under the yoke of bondage, again.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


Until you figure out how to reconcile the scriptures all you will be able to do is twist them into legalism. Real Christians will be able to spot this silliness a mile away.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You should try reading all of God's word instead of cherry picking what suits you. Lord Jesus fulfilled the Law already. He said on the cross, "It is finished". Galatians makes it clear what legalism is and where it leads to. Unless, of course, you are not yet saved. In which case, you are under the law.

1 Timothy 1:7-9

They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert. Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. We (but not you) realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers,…

Hi there, when John the Baptist protested against baptizing Jesus, He said that doing so would "fulfill all righteousness".

If we're going to interpret "I am not come to destroy (the law), but to fulfill" to mean the law is done away with, then we must interpret "fulfill all righteousness" to mean righteousness is now done away with, right or wrong?

So, how can "he that is righteous, let him be righteous still" (Revelation 22:11 KJV) be possible if there's no more righteousness?

Obviously, "fulfill the law" does not mean the law is done away with - it means "to fill full" or "to keep". Jesus is our example and He kept the same Ten Commandments He wants to empower us to keep, as our Christian "reasonable service" duty which "God before ordained that we should walk in them."

 

[Phoneman-777]

again

God does not need proof. He can look into your soul and know the truth

Works justify us before men. They will never justify us before God.

its funny how you mock the RCC. yet when you come to it. your really just like them. Use works as a means to earn eternal life. instead of looking toGod the author and finisher of your faith. in the god who as paul said, is confident of the fact, that he who began a good work in ALL of his children. will complete it.

Yes, God looks upon the heart of those who wave their arms high in church but refuse to obey Him and sees hatred for Him covered over by their willful ignorance and OSAS delusion, and that's why He's going to cast them into the Lake of Fire.

"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar, and the truth (Jesus is the Truth) is not in him." --1 John 2:4 KJV

 

[Phoneman-777]

Wrong.

I asked a question, I didn't make a statement.

I asked:

(A) Is Paul putting us under the law by telling us to not steal, honor our parents, and observe the other Ten Commandments......OR......(B) does he consider obedience only "a yoke of bondage" when it is attempted in order to try and earn salvation?

It's either the one or the other - there is no (C) no matter how much the OSAS crowd reees and screams.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yes, God looks upon the heart of those who wave their arms high in church but refuse to obey Him and sees hatred for Him covered over by their willful ignorance and OSAS delusion, and that's why He's going to cast them into the Lake of Fire.

"He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar, and the truth (Jesus is the Truth) is not in him." --1 John 2:4 KJV

I don’t hate God I love him, and I honor him and his promise

I don’t dishonor him by trying to use my works to get him to save me

Remember those he casts away, He said he never knew them

A child of God can;t sin, if they can;t sin, they can;t lose salvation.

 

[Gideon300]

Hi there, when John the Baptist protested against baptizing Jesus, He said that doing so would "fulfill all righteousness".

If we're going to interpret "I am not come to destroy (the law), but to fulfill" to mean the law is done away with, then we must interpret "fulfill all righteousness" to mean righteousness is now done away with, right or wrong?

So, how can "he that is righteous, let him be righteous still" (Revelation 22:11 KJV) be possible if there's no more righteousness?

Obviously, "fulfill the law" does not mean the law is done away with - it means "to fill full" or "to keep". Jesus is our example and He kept the same Ten Commandments He wants to empower us to keep, as our Christian "reasonable service" duty which "God before ordained that we should walk in them."

You miss the point entirely. When I come to God in my morning prayer time, it is clothed in the righteousness of Christ. The way is made open by the precious shed blood of Christ. I do not analyse how well I've kept the law before I dare to approach God.

You talk about righteousness. It's not a "thing", it is a Person. The sermon on the mount makes it clear that the 10 commandments are only superficial compared to the righteousness of God. The Law is the shadow. You may be content to live in the shadows. I prefer the light. You might like to live by rules and regulations. I prefer to live according to the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. The Law demands that I do something for God. Grace is God doing for me what I cannot do myself.

I will sometime in the next 20 years or so stand before my Saviour and Lord. My declaration will not be what I've done for Jesus. It will be what He has done for me. His salvation is so good that even I cannot mess it up.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I don’t hate God I love him, and I honor him and his promise

I don’t dishonor him by trying to use my works to get him to save me

Remember those he casts away, He said he never knew them

A child of God can;t sin, if they can;t sin, they can;t lose salvation.

A child of God can't sin unless he decided to no longer be a child of God, at which time he can split hell wide open.

Remember this? The Unmerciful Servant ("sinner") was totally forgiven by his Master ("God") of his impossible debt ("wages of sin") and knew so because he ceased from his begging and walked out into the street a free man....only to have his original impossible debt ("wages of sin") reinstated because he refused to allow his character to be transformed by grace -- and his inward choice resulted in the outward mistreatment of his fellowservant.

His actions aka "works" didn't condemn him, it was his choice to reject the transforming power of his Master's grace that condemned him.

 

[Gideon300]

Hi there, when John the Baptist protested against baptizing Jesus, He said that doing so would "fulfill all righteousness".

If we're going to interpret "I am not come to destroy (the law), but to fulfill" to mean the law is done away with, then we must interpret "fulfill all righteousness" to mean righteousness is now done away with, right or wrong?

So, how can "he that is righteous, let him be righteous still" (Revelation 22:11 KJV) be possible if there's no more righteousness?

Obviously, "fulfill the law" does not mean the law is done away with - it means "to fill full" or "to keep". Jesus is our example and He kept the same Ten Commandments He wants to empower us to keep, as our Christian "reasonable service" duty which "God before ordained that we should walk in them."

Ephesians 2:15
"having annulled in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances, so that He might create in Himself the two into one new man, "making peace," Berean literal translation.

Other versions use "abolish" instead of "annul".

Definition of annul: Annulment is a legal procedure within secular and religious legal systems for declaring a marriage null and void. Unlike divorce, it is usually retroactive, meaning that an annulled marriage is considered to be invalid from the beginning almost as if it had never taken place. Marriage is a covenant relationship between a man and a woman. The Law is a covenant relationship between Israel and God. It has been annulled.

Definition of abolish: Formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution).

Whichever word you use, or whatever translation you care to use, the meaning is crystal clear. The Law no longer has any effect on a born again Christian. I am not making this up. It's in your Bible too.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You miss the point entirely. When I come to God in my morning prayer time, it is clothed in the righteousness of Christ. The way is made open by the precious shed blood of Christ. I do not analyse how well I've kept the law before I dare to approach God.

You talk about righteousness. It's not a "thing", it is a Person. The sermon on the mount makes it clear that the 10 commandments are only superficial compared to the righteousness of God. The Law is the shadow. You may be content to live in the shadows. I prefer the light. You might like to live by rules and regulations. I prefer to live according to the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. The Law demands that I do something for God. Grace is God doing for me what I cannot do myself.

I will sometime in the next 20 years or so stand before my Saviour and Lord. My declaration will not be what I've done for Jesus. It will be what He has done for me. His salvation is so good that even I cannot mess it up.

So, you agree that "fulfill the law" does not mean "do away with the law" since "fulfill all righteousness" doesn't mean "do away with all righteousness"?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Ephesians 2:15
"having annulled in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances, so that He might create in Himself the two into one new man, "making peace," Berean literal translation.

Other versions use "abolish" instead of "annul".

Definition of annul: Annulment is a legal procedure within secular and religious legal systems for declaring a marriage null and void. Unlike divorce, it is usually retroactive, meaning that an annulled marriage is considered to be invalid from the beginning almost as if it had never taken place. Marriage is a covenant relationship between a man and a woman. The Law is a covenant relationship between Israel and God. It has been annulled.

Definition of abolish: Formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution).

Whichever word you use, or whatever translation you care to use, the meaning is crystal clear. The Law no longer has any effect on a born again Christian. I am not making this up. It's in your Bible too.

In the Greek, "commandments contained in ordinances" refers to a "bills of debt" which all scholars agree refers to the MOSAIC LAW, not the Ten Commandments which contain no such "bills of debt".

The Ten Commandments contain blessings, promises, and are said to be for our good unlike the Mosaic law which is said to be "against us" and is what Paul referred to in Colossians 2: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us..." It was the Law of Moses that was nailed to the Cross, while the Ten Commandments "stand fast forever and ever and are done in truth and uprightness".

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

A child of God can't sin unless he decided to no longer be a child of God, at which time he can split hell wide open.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

The same author who said a child of God can not sin, said whoever sins has NEVER SEEN OR KNOWN GOD. How can you have been a child of God at one time, yet never seen or known God?

Remember this? The Unmerciful Servant ("sinner") was totally forgiven by his Master ("God") of his impossible debt ("wages of sin") and knew so because he ceased from his begging and walked out into the street a free man....only to have his original impossible debt ("wages of sin") reinstated because he refused to allow his character to be transformed by grace -- and his inward choice resulted in the outward mistreatment of his fellowservant.

His actions aka "works" didn't condemn him, it was his choice to reject the transforming power of his Master's grace that condemned him.

This does not support your works based theology my friend.

The scripture said one who sins has NEVER SEEN or KNOWN GOD

Jesus said many will come in that day with all their works. and he will say depart for he NEVER KNEW THEM

Jesus said whoever believes will NEVER PERISH, He also said they will NEVER DIE,

I take it the word never does not mean never to you?

 

[Grandpa]

I asked a question, I didn't make a statement.

I asked:

(A) Is Paul putting us under the law by telling us to not steal, honor our parents, and observe the other Ten Commandments......OR......(B) does he consider obedience only "a yoke of bondage" when it is attempted in order to try and earn salvation?

It's either the one or the other - there is no (C) no matter how much the OSAS crowd reees and screams.

If either of your statements, A or B, were true then we could POSSIBLY decide which is correct.

Both A and B are false statements.

Paul doesnt tell "us" to observe the 10 commandments.

Paul doesn't ever say the yoke of bondage is people attempting to try and earn salvation.


What Paul does say is that ATTEMPTING to work and obey the 10 commandments are a Yoke of Bondage and the Ministry of Death and putting yourself under the curse.

 

[DLM]

In (Matthew 5:17), Jesus made the statement Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. He came not to destroy the law, or the prophets, but to fulfill. Based on that statement many ministers have taught their congregation that the arrival of Jesus did away with the Old Testament along with its laws, statutes and Judgements. They even make the statement, to their congregation, that they are no longer under the Old Testament, but now operate under the New. So you have people believing that the Old Testament is no longer relevant today. One needs only to further examine the scriptures to find out, how incorrect that position is.

In (Matthew 5:18), Jesus Himself states For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Now you will find in a concordance that jot and tittle mean letter. Here Jesus clearly states that not one letter of the law will be changed as long as heaven and earth exist. We know that the law came from the Old Testament so based solely on (Matthew 5:18), it nor the Old Testament can not be done away with.

There is clearly a discrepancy between what is being taught and what the scriptures say. The fact, that Jesus came to fulfill is known, because that is what is stated in (Matthew 5:17). But one needs to find out what He was to fulfill, since that is the condition put forth in (Matthew 5:18), when He said no letter would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. You will see the information needed to answer this will be found in the Old Testament. This itself serves as further proof as to how erroneous the position of doing away with the Old Testament is. Let's focus on what Jesus was referring to when He said He came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill and His position on the commandments.

The Gospel of Luke, will reveal what Jesus meant when He said in (Matthew 5:17 & 18), that He came to fulfill and no letter would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. Looking at Luke chapter 24:14-44, you will find that , this is when Jesus had been crucified and Peter and others were at the grave site and they were contemplating the events that had occurred. Verse 16, tells you that Jesus had come among them but they did not know Him. In verse 17, Jesus asks them what were they discussing,

(17) And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

In verse 19 and 20, they explained to Jesus what had taken place, still not recognizing Him. Verse 21, tells why they were sad, they had expected Jesus to restore Israel. (Israel as a nation , had a history of being conquered by other nations. They had been split into two kingdoms and the northern kingdom had already been taken into captivity prior to this time. All that remained was Judah, and now it had been taken over by Rome.) Now this was the 3rd day since Jesus crucifixion and they were in question because to them nothing had changed. Israel still remained in its same state. Note what Jesus says to them in verse 25:

(25) Then he said unto them, O fool, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Now the prophets had spoke of many things that Jesus was to do when He came. However they were just focused on the redemption of Israel. That is why Jesus told them in verse 25 that they were not bringing into remembrance all the things that were spoken of Him by the prophets. He reminded them in verse 26 that He had to suffer first and then enter into glory. He then in verse 27 went over all that the scriptures had to say concerning Himself. Following is verse 27,

(27) And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself.

The following verse explains what Jesus meant in (Matthew 5:17) where He said He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill. Jesus says in (Luke 24:44) And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Here Jesus makes it clear that all things written about Him in the Old Testament must be fulfilled. Knowing that all things must be fulfilled by Jesus, as long as heaven and earth is still here, tells us that the law (Commandments) are still here as well and must be kept.

Jesus FULFILLED all the laws requirement by his perfect obedience, taking upon himself the penalty and the curse of the law and with his dying rendered it inoperative for the believer (Rom.10:4-5; Heb. 8:13). To say one is going to keep the Old Testament law because of requirement is to ignore the work that Christ did in our place in the New Testament covenant.

As far as the word “FULFILL” which many abuse, it does not mean to continue or reinforce. Matthew consistently used the word FULFILL in a specific manner, once something is FULFILLED there is not a future FULFILLMENT. He quotes Isa.7:14 for the FULFILLMENT of the virgin birth. Where he was to be born Micah 5:2, there is no awaiting for this to re occur in the future. To FULFILL something means to bring it to a completion. It is used consistently this way through Matthews gospel (Mt.2:17,23, 12:17, 13:13,35, 27:9,35)

Here are a few examples: Matt 2:15 “and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be FULFILLED which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”

Matt 8:17 “that it might be FULFILLED which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: “He Himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses.”

Matt 21:4-5 “All this was done that it might be FULFILLED which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “Tell the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your King is coming to you, lowly, and sitting on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.’“

Matt 26:56 “But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be FULFILLED.” Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.

All the Scriptures that Matthew writes about being FULFILLED all mean a completion of something that is said. That something was prophesied or written and he FULFILLED it or made it happen, bringing it to its end, having it come to pass.

 

[TMS]

The epistle of Christ was not ministered through ink or stones, as we see in 2 Cor 3, therefore it wasn't Christ's finger that created the stone tablets to begin with. Those commandments can't be shoehorned into the list of commandments pursuant to "if you love me, keep my commandments." The OT iteration of the ten commandments are 100% Mosaic.

The question i was asked was why i differentiate between the the ten commandments and the laws that Moses added over the years that followed.
i gave many reasons other then just what they were written on.
I agree that the law needs to written on the heart, it always was Gods intention to have it in our hearts. God put it in stone because of the sinfulness of our hearts so it could not be changed over time. Jesus came to show us and the Jews what it meant to obey the law.
He is the perfect example. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

 

[Jocund]

The question i was asked was why i differentiate between the the ten commandments and the laws that Moses added over the years that followed.
i gave many reasons other then just what they were written on.
I agree that the law needs to written on the heart, it always was Gods intention to have it in our hearts. God put it in stone because of the sinfulness of our hearts so it could not be changed over time. Jesus came to show us and the Jews what it meant to obey the law.
He is the perfect example. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

To explain my perspective:

2 Cor 3 tells us that if our understanding is lead by the OT, the truth we find will be a veiled one. Only by looking at scripture from the NT can we see the truth unveiled. To lead our understanding from the OT is to find death, to lead our understanding from the NT is to find life. The structure of 2 Cor 3 points strongly to the connection that the stone tablet (and that iteration of the 10 commandments) were part of Moses' priesthood and law.

The truest understanding of any of the OT commandments will come by reading the NT, that is what 2 Cor 3 tells us.

"But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ." - 2 Cor 3:14 KJV

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." - Heb 8:13 KJV

The question i was asked was why i differentiate between the the ten commandments and the laws that Moses added over the years that followed.
i gave many reasons other then just what they were written on.

I'm still trying to gain perspective on this. Given 2 Cor 3 especially, I don't understand on what basis that the OT ten would stand outside of the Mosaic law.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Where do you come up with this stuff? (that a child of God can decide to no longer be one)

From reading the Bible with Holy Spirit discernment and with my eyes open:

• The Unmerciful Servant who was fully forgiven of his impossible debt but ended up owing the full amount.
• The enlightened ones who partook of the Holy Spirit but fell away no more to repent and proceeded to "crucify the Son of God afresh"
• Those who escaped the pollutions of the world but again became entangled therein and wound up in worse condition than they were when they were lost
• The "many" Christians who wound up lost because they allowed abounding iniquity to kill their "agape" cold and dead, in contrast to those who will "endure to the end" and will be saved.
• The Christian branches that failed to continuously abide in the Vine and were cast into the fire
• The Salt (Christians) of the earth that loses it's savor and can no more have its saltiness restored.
• Clean Christians who become defiled and lost like Esau who sought repentance with tears, but found it not.
• Those who willfully sin after having not merely heard but received a knowledge of the truth and turn back to sin.
• Those Ezekiel says will "die in their sins" because they turned from righteousness, resulting in none of it being remembered.

The same author who said a child of God can not sin, said whoever sins has NEVER SEEN OR KNOWN GOD. How can you have been a child of God at one time, yet never seen or known God? This does not support your works based theology my friend. The scripture said one who sins has NEVER SEEN or KNOWN GOD

Boss: "Hey, Phoneman-777, where's Steve?
Me: "I haven't seen him."
Boss: "You're fired, you liar. I say you talking to him earlier at the safety meeting."
Me: "Boss, I see you been talking with Everlasting-Grace, haven't you?"

Commentators say the Greek verbs refer to "continue to see" and "continue to know". A child of God who turns his back on Him and again surrenders his heart to Satan is one who will not have "seen" or "known" God since he turned away.

Jesus said many will come in that day with all their works. and he will say depart for he NEVER KNEW THEM. Jesus said whoever believes will NEVER PERISH, He also said they will NEVER DIE, I take it the word never does not mean never to you?

Did you notice what Jesus did not say?
He did not say "ALL in that day..."
He said "MANY in that day..." which does not account for "ALL" who will stand lost before Him, does it?

Yes, there will be many in that day who never surrendered their heart to Jesus, but preached, cast out demons, and did great things by the power of Satan, only to find out the truth in the end.
HOWEVER, THIS SAME JESUS PLAINLY SAYS IN MATTHEW 24:12-13 KJV THAT "MANY" SAINTLY RECIPIENTS OF AGAPE WILL ALLOW INIQUITY TO KILL IT COLD AND DEAD, while reiterating that only they that "shall endure to the end" will be saved. Those "many" will stand just as guilty before God in that day as they who never knew Him.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Paul doesnt tell "us" to observe the 10 commandments.

"Let him who stole steal no more."
"Honor you father and your mother, which is the first commandment with promise."

Here's a couple of the Ten Commandments Paul tells you and I to observe, right or wrong?