Jesus Christ is God BUT NOT THE FATHER - WHP CAME UP WITH THIS????

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theBibleisawsome

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How does that sound like united. It clearly says our God meaning one God. It doesnt say gods meaning more than one. And then it says is one Lord.1 not two n not three. There's so many verses in the Bible that says one God. Even the demons believe there is one God. U can search the Bible from Genesis chapter one to Revelation and u will never see a verse that says two or three gods. God bless u
 
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Laodicea

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theBibleisawsome said:
How does that sound like united. It clearly says our God meaning one God. It doesnt say gods meaning more than one. And then it says is one Lord.1 not two n not three. There's so many verses in the Bible that says one God. Even the demons believe there is one God. U can search the Bible from Genesis chapter one to Revelation and u will never see a verse that says two or three gods. God bless u
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The meaning of the word one in Deuteronomy 6:4 means one as in united. Read these texts on united.
Genesis 1:26
(26) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 3:22
(22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Genesis 11:6-7
(6) And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
(7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Genesis 2:24
(24) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.



 
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theBibleisawsome

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Ok but there's other ways to look at it.because in another definition one means singular and alone.one means by itself.
 
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Laodicea

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theBibleisawsome said:
Ok but there's other ways to look at it.because in another definition one means singular and alone.one means by itself.
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First you need to address the texts I have quoted for they talk about God as us, and Deut 6:4 when it says one it means united
 
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theBibleisawsome

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Laodicea said:
First you need to address the texts I have quoted for they talk about God as us, and Deut 6:4 when it says one it means united
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I see what u mean with the other texes and I understand that.But I can't see how Deuteronomy 6:4 relates to that.
 
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theBibleisawsome

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So ur saying that whenever it says one in the Bible it always means united?
 
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Laodicea

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theBibleisawsome said:
So ur saying that whenever it says one in the Bible it always means united?
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It depends on the word from which it is translated from. This is the meaning of the word from the Strong's concordance.

H259
אחד
'echâd
ekh-awd'
A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: - a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
 
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theBibleisawsome

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I like this conversation with u. Ur using that definition to help with ur belief on the verse. But I use the term one in there as just one by itself. I can see how u believe that means united, but I hope u can see how I blieve that means one as just in one God. Not in unity. I see how u believe that verse means united, I hope u can see my point of view on how I believe that verse means just one God.
 
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Laodicea

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theBibleisawsome said:
I like this conversation with u. Ur using that definition to help with ur belief on the verse. But I use the term one in there as just one by itself. I can see how u believe that means united, but I hope u can see how I blieve that means one as just in one God. Not in unity. I see how u believe that verse means united, I hope u can see my point of view on how I believe that verse means just one God.
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I used to wonder about that verse until I studied it. Understanding the Bible we cannot understand it according to what we think but, according to the interpretation. There is a text in proverbs that says "lean not to your own understanding.
 
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zackabba

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If Jesus is the Father, then who spoke to Him out of the cloud? Did He call Himself Son?
 
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theBibleisawsome

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If he wasn't the Father then how come when Phillip asked him show us the Father he gave him a answer that indicated that he was the Father. He said have I been so long time with u and u still don't know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. If he wasn't the Father he had the chance right there to tell them all but he didn't he said a answer that indicated he was the Father. If he and the Father were separate from each other he could've told Phillip I can't show u the Father because he is somewhere else or that he is in Heaven. But he didn't he gave them a answer that indicated he was the Father. God bless u
 
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Laodicea

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Jesus was talking about what the character of the Father is like
 
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zackabba

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theBibleisawsome said:
If he wasn't the Father then how come when Phillip asked him show us the Father he gave him a answer that indicated that he was the Father. He said have I been so long time with u and u still don't know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. If he wasn't the Father he had the chance right there to tell them all but he didn't he said a answer that indicated he was the Father. If he and the Father were separate from each other he could've told Phillip I can't show u the Father because he is somewhere else or that he is in Heaven. But he didn't he gave them a answer that indicated he was the Father. God bless u
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"Our Father, who is in heaven..."

He was saying that they are the same in being and, as the person above says, in character.
 
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theBibleisawsome

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That prayer was for us. Jesus said it that we should pray like that because we don't know how to pray. And God the Father came in the flesh as Jesus it was him inside of him. He said u still don't know me thats not talking about characteristics. That is saying he is Jesus. He is not saying u still don't know my characteristics. He said u still don't know me.
 
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Laodicea

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theBibleisawsome said:
That prayer was for us. Jesus said it that we should pray like that because we don't know how to pray. And God the Father came in the flesh as Jesus it was him inside of him. He said u still don't know me thats not talking about characteristics. That is saying he is Jesus. He is not saying u still don't know my characteristics. He said u still don't know me.
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You have not yet addressed the texts I quoted, the ones where God said "Let us" and the meaning of the word one in Deut 6:4. We need to take all texts into consideration when we are gohng to study.

Blessings
 
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Laodicea said:
You have not yet addressed the texts I quoted, the ones where God said "Let us" and the meaning of the word one in Deut 6:4. We need to take all texts into consideration when we are gohng to study.

Blessings
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It is written, "You are gods" in reference to the sons of men. The Word used was elohim in that particular reference. If man is called an el, what are the angels then? Elohanu spoke in the first person plural, however to whom He referred is not discernable simply by surmising or guesswork, and I am afraid, for the present, this really is all we have to go on. Now, as for what we each believe can only come from faith, and in the faith I pray I have, I believe the three persons of Elohanu are One, not simply united but the numerical translation of achad or in Hebrew אחד.
 
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zackabba

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Once again - If Jesus is the Father, then who spoke to Him out of the cloud? Himself? He called Himself His own Son?
 
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theBibleisawsome

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Zabackka in the Bible God tLks to himself. Im not saying like a crazy person does but God does talk to himself. Just like we talk to ourselves. And ladocia when God said in Genesis create man in our image he wasn't talking about him and the angels. He was talking about his inside and outside form. His spiritual form of which he was in the old testament, and his flesh form of which he was in the new testament (Jesus ). We r made in his image so we to have a flesh side n spiritual side. Also if God wasn't one and he was two or three he said make man in my or our image. Now Adam came out of the image of God. That tells us two things one God is a man and two God is one. He said make man in my image so if God was two or three then two more men would've came out with Adam if God was two or three. But since God is one only one man came out because of the image of God. And we all only have one face we don't have two or three faces we only have one because we our made in the image of God and he is only one. God bless
 
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zackabba

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Zabackka in the Bible God tLks to himself. Im not saying like a crazy person does but God does talk to himself. Just like we talk to ourselves.

Yes, He does talk to Himself. True.

(usually when I talk to myself, I don't say "Zack needs to do this" or "Zack needs to do that." God clearly does as you've pointed out though, because this is the Spirit talking through the prophets (see 1 Peter 1:10-12)).

You're not getting my point, however. Out of a cloud the Father clearly is talking about Jesus, His Son. The Son is not calling Himself His own Son. It's what it clearly says - the God the Father has a Son, and His name is Jesus.
 
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Laodicea

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theBibleisawsome said:
Zabackka in the Bible God tLks to himself. Im not saying like a crazy person does but God does talk to himself. Just like we talk to ourselves. And ladocia when God said in Genesis create man in our image he wasn't talking about him and the angels. He was talking about his inside and outside form. His spiritual form of which he was in the old testament, and his flesh form of which he was in the new testament (Jesus ). We r made in his image so we to have a flesh side n spiritual side. Also if God wasn't one and he was two or three he said make man in my or our image. Now Adam came out of the image of God. That tells us two things one God is a man and two God is one. He said make man in my image so if God was two or three then two more men would've came out with Adam if God was two or three. But since God is one only one man came out because of the image of God. And we all only have one face we don't have two or three faces we only have one because we our made in the image of God and he is only one. God bless
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You have not used any Bible. You have only used your own words to explain the word of God. You must use the word of God to explain doctrine. You have only addressed the texts I quoted with your own words.
 
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