Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh
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I REPEAT !
LBG,
I wonder who you would risk offending, if from your own lips you confessed that Jesus Christ was Almighty God, the one and only true God, that was manifest in the flesh, who took on a human form by becoming a man.
Would you be offending Christians who have been saved by grace and love the Lord Jesus Christ, would you be offending any member of the Godhead, would you be bringing shame upon the Lord Jesus Christ or violating the integrity of God's word?
Would you be communicating a lie that could deceive others and introduce leaven in their heart? Would you be injecting into the gospel of Christ a wrong concept that would keep sinners from salvation?
Would you be adding some form doctrine that would magnify the spirit of antichrist? Or would you be violating what you believe the scriptures plainly teach you and what you believe the Spirit has made clear to you?
LBG,
I wonder who you would risk offending, if from your own lips you confessed that Jesus Christ was Almighty God, the one and only true God, that was manifest in the flesh, who took on a human form by becoming a man.
Would you be offending Christians who have been saved by grace and love the Lord Jesus Christ, would you be offending any member of the Godhead, would you be bringing shame upon the Lord Jesus Christ or violating the integrity of God's word?
Would you be communicating a lie that could deceive others and introduce leaven in their heart? Would you be injecting into the gospel of Christ a wrong concept that would keep sinners from salvation?
Would you be adding some form doctrine that would magnify the spirit of antichrist? Or would you be violating what you believe the scriptures plainly teach you and what you believe the Spirit has made clear to you?
Well, as most Christians I have ever met believe the Father existed before the son according to your criteria they are all condemned. But unfortunately your words show where your problem lies
Now I would never use or desire to use on any Christian the words that have been used in condemnation of me, but what I can say with 100% assurity is
Neither you, Red, Phil or anyone else with your opinions on this is being led by the Holy Spirit, and I will confidently stand on that at the day of judgement.
For none of you accept the plain words of Christ as to what a person must believe to have eternal life, you add to them
Of course you can go through the Bible, find a verse and nitpik but that shows wong motives.
Christ plainly and continuously stated a person simply had to believe he is the son of God.
He did not go into his nature, whether his Father existed before he did or any number of other things. To be honest this is Phariseeical demands in reality.
Because either Christ did not make plain what was required to believe to have eternal life(as the other Apostles cannot have done either) or you and others make head theology your God, your number one concern and you cannot be being led of the Holy Spirit to do so.
Either you are at fault or is the Bible
Your god is your head theology and for that you and others would condemn Christians for standing on the plain words of Christ. And head theology in this instance is driven by pride
And this is why people whos God is head theology tell untruths against people when scripturally they cannot answer them
They lash out
They infer they have beliefs they know they do not have
and they malign them
I may not agree with them but I respect anyone who believes Christ is God, but accepts anyone who simply believes he is the son of God to be saved, for they are standing on scripture not the natural ego of head theology above all else
And such head theology I repeat cannot be being led of the Spirit
For the Holy Spirit would NEVER contradict what Christ plainly said was the condition of how a person must see him to have eternal life
And if a person will not accept the plainest of statements on this sukject made from Christ himself I repeat, their god is their head theology, and that comes before a heartfelt, loving relationship with Christ
I stand on plain scripture, for those who believe their knowledge allows them to contradict it sobeit.
It is all caused by
P R I D E
But the heart is deceitful and people will never accept it if they afe driven by the ego of the intellect
Now I would never use or desire to use on any Christian the words that have been used in condemnation of me, but what I can say with 100% assurity is
Neither you, Red, Phil or anyone else with your opinions on this is being led by the Holy Spirit, and I will confidently stand on that at the day of judgement.
For none of you accept the plain words of Christ as to what a person must believe to have eternal life, you add to them
Of course you can go through the Bible, find a verse and nitpik but that shows wong motives.
Christ plainly and continuously stated a person simply had to believe he is the son of God.
He did not go into his nature, whether his Father existed before he did or any number of other things. To be honest this is Phariseeical demands in reality.
Because either Christ did not make plain what was required to believe to have eternal life(as the other Apostles cannot have done either) or you and others make head theology your God, your number one concern and you cannot be being led of the Holy Spirit to do so.
Either you are at fault or is the Bible
Your god is your head theology and for that you and others would condemn Christians for standing on the plain words of Christ. And head theology in this instance is driven by pride
And this is why people whos God is head theology tell untruths against people when scripturally they cannot answer them
They lash out
They infer they have beliefs they know they do not have
and they malign them
I may not agree with them but I respect anyone who believes Christ is God, but accepts anyone who simply believes he is the son of God to be saved, for they are standing on scripture not the natural ego of head theology above all else
And such head theology I repeat cannot be being led of the Spirit
For the Holy Spirit would NEVER contradict what Christ plainly said was the condition of how a person must see him to have eternal life
And if a person will not accept the plainest of statements on this sukject made from Christ himself I repeat, their god is their head theology, and that comes before a heartfelt, loving relationship with Christ
I stand on plain scripture, for those who believe their knowledge allows them to contradict it sobeit.
It is all caused by
P R I D E
But the heart is deceitful and people will never accept it if they afe driven by the ego of the intellect
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It would seem that we might need to expand this foray of futility into including a look at the true meanings of knowledge (ginosko G1097), knowledge (epiginosko G1921), knowledge (gnosis G1108), knowledge (epignosis G1922), knowledge (oida G1492), wisdom (sophia G4678), and prudence (phronesis G5428).
One knowledge puffs up. One knowledge is what love abounds more and more in. One knowledge is neither. Some knowledges are experiential. One knowledge is inherent. Wisdom is none of those. Prudence is different still.
Of course none of that will matter to anyone, because they believe what they know and they don't know this; therefore not believing it in favor of personally perceived knowledge about knowledge.
I wonder when anyone will yield to truth rather than determining it for/by/of themselves. God have mercy...
One knowledge puffs up. One knowledge is what love abounds more and more in. One knowledge is neither. Some knowledges are experiential. One knowledge is inherent. Wisdom is none of those. Prudence is different still.
Of course none of that will matter to anyone, because they believe what they know and they don't know this; therefore not believing it in favor of personally perceived knowledge about knowledge.
I wonder when anyone will yield to truth rather than determining it for/by/of themselves. God have mercy...
LBG:
you can insult me personally by appealling to my fears or by appealling to fears about my ego.
i wish you wouldn't, because i haven't done that to you. if i have, i apologize...i don't believe your EGO is what's at issue here.
though you can if you want to, i'm not primarily concerned with pleasing men.
you haven't really left me much room LBG: you've clearly stated you believe Jesus is a CREATED entity (and naturally those you learned it from and/or fellowship with believe it).
but it is WRONG.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
International Standard Version (©2008)
They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshipped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
These people have exchanged God's truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen!
King James Bible
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
! maybe i should absolutely make certain though:
do you worship Jesus Christ LGB?
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That would be a bit of a daunting task for an internet forum. I'd suggest a printed or online concordance to compile a list.
The resource I mentioned isn't a website.
I've considered starting threads to help with language, but most CC members already know everything and have no use for original language clarification. Others think the English translation itself was somehow an overriding of original language meanings.
Sola Scriptura Protestants should be voracious students of the Word, including a functional literacy of Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek. Nobody needs to be a language scholar, but using language tools helps not to make stupid presumptions that establish doctrine.
One of the many common stupid mistakes? The right*hand (dexios G1188) of God. It's not a location of any kind indicating any proximity of one something/someone in relation to another. It's not a "where".
There are 5624 Greek words represented in the NT; 8674 Hebrew/Chaldee words in the OT. I prefer to know God's meaning of/for what He said rather than a modern derived and deviated understanding. Some error is just plain stupidity.
Remember...
IGNORANT = DOESN'T KNOW
STUBBORN = WON'T KNOW
STUPID = CAN'T KNOW
They build upon one another. Doesn't + Won't = Can't.
The resource I mentioned isn't a website.
I've considered starting threads to help with language, but most CC members already know everything and have no use for original language clarification. Others think the English translation itself was somehow an overriding of original language meanings.
Sola Scriptura Protestants should be voracious students of the Word, including a functional literacy of Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek. Nobody needs to be a language scholar, but using language tools helps not to make stupid presumptions that establish doctrine.
One of the many common stupid mistakes? The right*hand (dexios G1188) of God. It's not a location of any kind indicating any proximity of one something/someone in relation to another. It's not a "where".
There are 5624 Greek words represented in the NT; 8674 Hebrew/Chaldee words in the OT. I prefer to know God's meaning of/for what He said rather than a modern derived and deviated understanding. Some error is just plain stupidity.
Remember...
IGNORANT = DOESN'T KNOW
STUBBORN = WON'T KNOW
STUPID = CAN'T KNOW
They build upon one another. Doesn't + Won't = Can't.
It is not that I wish to insult you Zone, and I don't see how I am appealing to your fears, but I do have a right to defend myself and the plainest of scripture in the Bible especially where the issue of salvation is concerned
I simply stand on the plainest of scripture, and a belief that such plain and categoric statements of Christ cannot be accepted as to what is needed to be believed to have eternal life, I do find apalling and dangerous, I would be lying if I said otherwise
If we cannot stand on the plainest of statements in the Bible something, somewhere is radically wrong.
And what would it say for the spirit filled Bible if some of the plainest statements in it contradict what some say is essential belief to have eternal life?
So either the Biible is at fault or the people opposing its plain and categoric statements on this subject are in error. And yes I do have my strong opinions on why that is
I am not going to argue with you concerning the Father existing before the son, but this is a very good example in my opinion of where theology goes badly wrong.
Do you really think God demands a person sits down and considers dutifully if the Father did or did not exist before the son to have eternal life? Do you really in your heart believe eternal life depends on knowing the truth of that?
So on top of having to see Christ as God, something which Christ did not command a person to believe to have eternal life, you now are adding more demands as to what a person must believe to be saved and have eternal life
How many more demands can you make, please list them all
God wants a contrite and repentant heart, one that repents of their sin and asks Christ into their life as Lord and Saviour and takes up their cross and follows his son who died for them(something I have so often failed abysmally to do I will say in all honesty)
Do you not believe that matters most to God, a person surrendering their life from the heart for the work he would have them do?
Do you really believe our God of love is going to cast people into hell unless they have a perfect doctrinal stance according to your interpretations of scripture? Or mine for that matter
Do you really believe God will be so grieved if a person believes he brought his son into existence before this world was made, or time as we know it?
I am really trying hard to be polite here, but this is a doctrine of the head overtaking the submission of the heart.
Yes, some things we do need to be clear about, but not whether the Father preexisted the son before time as we know it began. God weants our hearts, lives, submission, he wantsd us to love him and take up our cross and follow after his son in the truth of the Gospel of grace THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT Zone.
Having a perfect doctrinal set of understanding is not demanded
Did the NT chiurch always agree?
What if someone who said they were a believer told you a Gentile you must obey the whole of the Mosaic law, would you think they were saved? And if this person said all of the men must be circumcised would you say they were saved? I am not sure you would
But according to scripture BELIEVERS demanded this of the Gentile converts in the NT
Acts 15:5
The Bible calls them believers and the NT church had accepted them as such
Have you a [perfect theology Zone? Is it possible that you could be wtrtong on an issue?
And if it is possible, why should you still have eternal life if others were not perfect either
Thank goodness God l.ooks at us withj love, mercy and compassion
Someone said
If it was left up to humans as to who went to Heaven, it would be a pretty lonely place
And with great difficulty I have written this as nicely as I can
But as you and others are ferent about defending the truth of the Bible, so am I
I simply stand on the plainest of scripture, and a belief that such plain and categoric statements of Christ cannot be accepted as to what is needed to be believed to have eternal life, I do find apalling and dangerous, I would be lying if I said otherwise
If we cannot stand on the plainest of statements in the Bible something, somewhere is radically wrong.
And what would it say for the spirit filled Bible if some of the plainest statements in it contradict what some say is essential belief to have eternal life?
So either the Biible is at fault or the people opposing its plain and categoric statements on this subject are in error. And yes I do have my strong opinions on why that is
I am not going to argue with you concerning the Father existing before the son, but this is a very good example in my opinion of where theology goes badly wrong.
Do you really think God demands a person sits down and considers dutifully if the Father did or did not exist before the son to have eternal life? Do you really in your heart believe eternal life depends on knowing the truth of that?
So on top of having to see Christ as God, something which Christ did not command a person to believe to have eternal life, you now are adding more demands as to what a person must believe to be saved and have eternal life
How many more demands can you make, please list them all
God wants a contrite and repentant heart, one that repents of their sin and asks Christ into their life as Lord and Saviour and takes up their cross and follows his son who died for them(something I have so often failed abysmally to do I will say in all honesty)
Do you not believe that matters most to God, a person surrendering their life from the heart for the work he would have them do?
Do you really believe our God of love is going to cast people into hell unless they have a perfect doctrinal stance according to your interpretations of scripture? Or mine for that matter
Do you really believe God will be so grieved if a person believes he brought his son into existence before this world was made, or time as we know it?
I am really trying hard to be polite here, but this is a doctrine of the head overtaking the submission of the heart.
Yes, some things we do need to be clear about, but not whether the Father preexisted the son before time as we know it began. God weants our hearts, lives, submission, he wantsd us to love him and take up our cross and follow after his son in the truth of the Gospel of grace THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT Zone.
Having a perfect doctrinal set of understanding is not demanded
Did the NT chiurch always agree?
What if someone who said they were a believer told you a Gentile you must obey the whole of the Mosaic law, would you think they were saved? And if this person said all of the men must be circumcised would you say they were saved? I am not sure you would
But according to scripture BELIEVERS demanded this of the Gentile converts in the NT
Acts 15:5
The Bible calls them believers and the NT church had accepted them as such
Have you a [perfect theology Zone? Is it possible that you could be wtrtong on an issue?
And if it is possible, why should you still have eternal life if others were not perfect either
Thank goodness God l.ooks at us withj love, mercy and compassion
Someone said
If it was left up to humans as to who went to Heaven, it would be a pretty lonely place
And with great difficulty I have written this as nicely as I can
But as you and others are ferent about defending the truth of the Bible, so am I
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John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,a and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
WORD: logos
GOD: theos
LOGOS WAS WITH THEOS IN THE BEGINNING.
LOGOS WAS THEOS
IS THEOS ETERNAL?
~
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
what is the subject? THE WORD. logos.
it says ALL things were made by Him (you like through HIM, it makes no difference).
it says ALL THINGS.
did the WORD create Himself? did the Logos speak Himself into existence?
how can EVERYTHING be MADE by someone who had to first be made?
~
what is the subject? THE WORD, logos. JESUS is the subject.
John 1:4
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
In him was life - The evangelist had just affirmed John 5:3 that by the λόγος Logos or "Word" the world was originally created. One part of that creation consisted "in breathing into man the breath of life," Genesis 2:7. God is declared to be "life," or the "living" God, because he is the source or fountain of life. This attribute is here ascribed to Jesus Christ. He not merely made the material worlds, but he also gave "life."
Genesis 2:7
then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
is this God in Genesis 2:7, LBG?
did God create Jesus so God could create through Jesus?
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John 20
Jesus and Thomas
24 Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin,c was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”
26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
LORD: kurios (Master)
GOD: theos
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John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
WORD: logos
GOD: theos
LOGOS WAS WITH THEOS IN THE BEGINNING.
LOGOS WAS THEOS
THOMAS CALLS JESUS THEOS
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,a and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
WORD: logos
GOD: theos
LOGOS WAS WITH THEOS IN THE BEGINNING.
LOGOS WAS THEOS
IS THEOS ETERNAL?
~
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
what is the subject? THE WORD. logos.
it says ALL things were made by Him (you like through HIM, it makes no difference).
it says ALL THINGS.
did the WORD create Himself? did the Logos speak Himself into existence?
how can EVERYTHING be MADE by someone who had to first be made?
~
what is the subject? THE WORD, logos. JESUS is the subject.
John 1:4
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
In him was life - The evangelist had just affirmed John 5:3 that by the λόγος Logos or "Word" the world was originally created. One part of that creation consisted "in breathing into man the breath of life," Genesis 2:7. God is declared to be "life," or the "living" God, because he is the source or fountain of life. This attribute is here ascribed to Jesus Christ. He not merely made the material worlds, but he also gave "life."
Genesis 2:7
then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
is this God in Genesis 2:7, LBG?
did God create Jesus so God could create through Jesus?
~
John 20
Jesus and Thomas
24 Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin,c was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”
26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
LORD: kurios (Master)
GOD: theos
~
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
WORD: logos
GOD: theos
LOGOS WAS WITH THEOS IN THE BEGINNING.
LOGOS WAS THEOS
THOMAS CALLS JESUS THEOS
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Well I have skipped through what you have written Zone
Firstly it is a shame you did not feel able to reply to the valid points I made in my post. I can only draw my own conclusions
Secondly. You said you did not reply to my questions that you had previoiusly said you would answer because after sleeping on it you decided enough had been said
But it seems you do want to continue to put your opinions to me through your scriptures. As I am sure you know I have become exasperated with some who believe as you do who require people to answer the questions put to them but do not in turn answer the questioins and scripture placed before them. I actually did not think you would be like that but I have been proved to be wrong
If I wanted to I could reply to your scriptures, but I won't as you seem to want soley to discuss what you place before me
But as we judge others or lay demands on others those same demands will be made of us.
So if you have not got an absolutely perfect understanding where will that leave you?
As do many others you cast aside and ignore plain and categoric statements on this subject fror you thrive on the study you do and looking up the Greek etc.
I am a simple person with simple beliefs. I trust the Holy Spirit will give me enough truth that I need.
But sad to say I am convinced that I am correct concerning the comments I have made concerning head theology.
As for the gifts of the Spirit ceasing because the NT was written and that brought perfection, I can only say completely disagree, but I guess you believe I am demon possessed anyway, let me explain
When I was 19 I prayed to be able to speak in tongues. I stood on faith for the gift and did indeed speak in tongues
I must admit I kind of doubted it could be for real and was it my imagination as I had been brought up to believe I had to be virtually perfect to get to Heaven, and I was not perfect.
But a couple of years later I went to a meeting and an Evangelist I had never met prayed with some of us after the service.
They told me much about my life, I was amazed, and spoke of issues in my life, how did they know so much about me? They also confirmed my speaking/praying in tongues was genuine
So I guess you must believe they are posseessed or something like that and I must be too!
The Evangelist had seen many miracles in their m eetings all over the world, so I guess they and I are heading for hell, yes?
I feel for you personally believe it or not, you will never know true Christian happiness with your ideas of what m atters most. But I will always defend the Bible and the plainest of statements in it.
So now I will make you shake your head
You need to get baptised in the Holy Spirit, but as you reject such nmotions that will be a quick dismissal
Firstly it is a shame you did not feel able to reply to the valid points I made in my post. I can only draw my own conclusions
Secondly. You said you did not reply to my questions that you had previoiusly said you would answer because after sleeping on it you decided enough had been said
But it seems you do want to continue to put your opinions to me through your scriptures. As I am sure you know I have become exasperated with some who believe as you do who require people to answer the questions put to them but do not in turn answer the questioins and scripture placed before them. I actually did not think you would be like that but I have been proved to be wrong
If I wanted to I could reply to your scriptures, but I won't as you seem to want soley to discuss what you place before me
But as we judge others or lay demands on others those same demands will be made of us.
So if you have not got an absolutely perfect understanding where will that leave you?
As do many others you cast aside and ignore plain and categoric statements on this subject fror you thrive on the study you do and looking up the Greek etc.
I am a simple person with simple beliefs. I trust the Holy Spirit will give me enough truth that I need.
But sad to say I am convinced that I am correct concerning the comments I have made concerning head theology.
As for the gifts of the Spirit ceasing because the NT was written and that brought perfection, I can only say completely disagree, but I guess you believe I am demon possessed anyway, let me explain
When I was 19 I prayed to be able to speak in tongues. I stood on faith for the gift and did indeed speak in tongues
I must admit I kind of doubted it could be for real and was it my imagination as I had been brought up to believe I had to be virtually perfect to get to Heaven, and I was not perfect.
But a couple of years later I went to a meeting and an Evangelist I had never met prayed with some of us after the service.
They told me much about my life, I was amazed, and spoke of issues in my life, how did they know so much about me? They also confirmed my speaking/praying in tongues was genuine
So I guess you must believe they are posseessed or something like that and I must be too!
The Evangelist had seen many miracles in their m eetings all over the world, so I guess they and I are heading for hell, yes?
I feel for you personally believe it or not, you will never know true Christian happiness with your ideas of what m atters most. But I will always defend the Bible and the plainest of statements in it.
So now I will make you shake your head
You need to get baptised in the Holy Spirit, but as you reject such nmotions that will be a quick dismissal
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Maybe you missed why I said I would not respond to your questions so I will write the answer again
As I am sure you know I have become exasperated with people not answering the questions I put to them and just expect me to concentrate on the scripture they put before me
After you told me you would answer the scripture I put before you you changed your mind and said enough had been said
It seems now though you have chganged your mind again and do want to discuss scripture verses with me.
But why should I just discuss the scripture you place before me? That is not fair debate, so I only discuss now with people who also respond to the scripture I place before them
As I am sure you know I have become exasperated with people not answering the questions I put to them and just expect me to concentrate on the scripture they put before me
After you told me you would answer the scripture I put before you you changed your mind and said enough had been said
It seems now though you have chganged your mind again and do want to discuss scripture verses with me.
But why should I just discuss the scripture you place before me? That is not fair debate, so I only discuss now with people who also respond to the scripture I place before them
I didn't say I was going to discuss this subject with you again as you did not answer the questions I put before you which you had [previously said you would answer
But I will do a deal with you. If I answer this question will you PROMISE to answer the remaining scriptures I put to you the other day.
And if you do promise to will you give me your word as a Christian you will answer the rest of those questilons immediately after I answer this one, your choice
But I will do a deal with you. If I answer this question will you PROMISE to answer the remaining scriptures I put to you the other day.
And if you do promise to will you give me your word as a Christian you will answer the rest of those questilons immediately after I answer this one, your choice
yes i will.
but only if you provide a thorough and satisfactory answer (you don't have to agree with me), but no speculation, personal opinion or "reasoning", okay?
answer why the text says THEOS.
thank you.
(please don't make a long list of questions in one post: it's too time consuming to use the interface: a couple at a time please).
but only if you provide a thorough and satisfactory answer (you don't have to agree with me), but no speculation, personal opinion or "reasoning", okay?
answer why the text says THEOS.
thank you.
(please don't make a long list of questions in one post: it's too time consuming to use the interface: a couple at a time please).
I'll get to it sometime this weekend, possibly later tonight. The knowledge topic is extensive, so I'll have to condense. The gifts issue is more so, but I'll hit some basics.
Yeah, it's as though people want to punch some celestial coordinates into a heavenly GPS unit to get a blinking dot on a pixelated map with directions to a finite destination location.
God is omnipresent Spirit; which is sorta the whole point of natural creation and His Incarnation therein. How would Jesus' glorified body be in that type of specific proximity to unconstrained transcendent omnipresent Spirit? It's human conceptual anthropomorphization of God.... like Trinity "persons".
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I MEANT TO ADDRESS THIS A COUPLE DAYS AGO!
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God is omnipresent Spirit; which is sorta the whole point of natural creation and His Incarnation therein. How would Jesus' glorified body be in that type of specific proximity to unconstrained transcendent omnipresent Spirit? It's human conceptual anthropomorphization of God.... like Trinity "persons".
( ^ $20 word ^ )