Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh
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Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
Romans 1:25
People who worship and serve created things, rather than the Creator, have left the truth of God.
To worship any created thing - whether man, angel, heavenly body, or some other object in nature (mountain, ocean, etc.) - constitutes idolatry.
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Revelation 4:11
“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”
Revelation 5:12
saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!”
I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
Romans 1:25
People who worship and serve created things, rather than the Creator, have left the truth of God.
To worship any created thing - whether man, angel, heavenly body, or some other object in nature (mountain, ocean, etc.) - constitutes idolatry.
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Revelation 4:11
“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”
Revelation 5:12
saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!”
carry on....Say ye of him who the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world
Thou blasphemest; because I said I am the son of God
John 10:36
Verily verily I say unto you. The hour is coming and now is whern the dead shall hear the voice of the son of God, and they that hear shall live
John 5:25
I have seen and I testify that this is the son of God
John 1:34
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life
John 3:16
Whoever believes in him is not condemned but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one anbd only son
John 3:18
But what about you he asked, who do you say that I am?
Simon Peter answered
You are the Christ, the son of the living God
Jesus replied,
Blessed are you simon son of Jonah for this was not revealed to you by man but by my Father in Heaven
Matt16:15-17
The Jews insisted
We have a law and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the son of God
John 19:7
The high priest said to him
I charge you under oath by the living God. Tell us if you are the Christ, the son of God
Yes, it is as you say, Jesus replied
Matt 26:63&64
I think I do believe who Christ claimed to be
Thou blasphemest; because I said I am the son of God
John 10:36
Verily verily I say unto you. The hour is coming and now is whern the dead shall hear the voice of the son of God, and they that hear shall live
John 5:25
I have seen and I testify that this is the son of God
John 1:34
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life
John 3:16
Whoever believes in him is not condemned but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one anbd only son
John 3:18
But what about you he asked, who do you say that I am?
Simon Peter answered
You are the Christ, the son of the living God
Jesus replied,
Blessed are you simon son of Jonah for this was not revealed to you by man but by my Father in Heaven
Matt16:15-17
The Jews insisted
We have a law and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the son of God
John 19:7
The high priest said to him
I charge you under oath by the living God. Tell us if you are the Christ, the son of God
Yes, it is as you say, Jesus replied
Matt 26:63&64
I think I do believe who Christ claimed to be
I REPEAT !
LBG,
I wonder who you would risk offending, if from your own lips you confessed that Jesus Christ was Almighty God, the one and only true God, that was manifest in the flesh, who took on a human form by becoming a man. Would you be offending Christians who have been saved by grace and love the Lord Jesus Christ, would you be offending any member of the Godhead, would you be bringing shame upon the Lord Jesus Christ or violating the integrity of God's word? Would you be communicating a lie that could deceive others and introduce leaven in their heart? Would you be injecting into the gospel of Christ a wrong concept that would keep sinners from salvation? Would you be adding some form doctrine that would magnify the spirit of antichrist? Or would you be violating what you believe the scriptures plainly teach you and what you believe the Spirit has made clear to you? Is it possible that even the demons and Satan recognize and believe that Jesus Christ is God?
These questions you can answer in your own heart, I don't need to know.
LBG,
I wonder who you would risk offending, if from your own lips you confessed that Jesus Christ was Almighty God, the one and only true God, that was manifest in the flesh, who took on a human form by becoming a man. Would you be offending Christians who have been saved by grace and love the Lord Jesus Christ, would you be offending any member of the Godhead, would you be bringing shame upon the Lord Jesus Christ or violating the integrity of God's word? Would you be communicating a lie that could deceive others and introduce leaven in their heart? Would you be injecting into the gospel of Christ a wrong concept that would keep sinners from salvation? Would you be adding some form doctrine that would magnify the spirit of antichrist? Or would you be violating what you believe the scriptures plainly teach you and what you believe the Spirit has made clear to you? Is it possible that even the demons and Satan recognize and believe that Jesus Christ is God?
These questions you can answer in your own heart, I don't need to know.
Well as this is the fith time I believe you have put up this post on various threads and you have given me a wry smile, I will play along with your game a little bit here Red
Well I guess demons did know who Christ was, yes. Who did they think he was?
He shouted at the top of his voice
What do you want with me Jesus, son of the most high God?
Mark 5:7
Then the devil took him to the Holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple
If you are the son of God, he said, throw yourself down
Matt 4:5
Does that answer your above point?
Now, let me put a question to you, have you the courage and assurance to answer it or not, let us see
Then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him so that God may be all in all
1 Cor 15:28
You believe in the economic sense the son has always been subject to the Father, but in the ontological sense this would be impossible
So how WILL the son become subject to the Father at a point in the future
when all dominion, authority and power has been defeated
According to your belief it cannot be the economic sense for Christ is now and always has been subject to the Father in this sense
It cannot be the ontological sense as you believe this would be impossible
So in what way WILL Christ become subject to the Father in the future
That should not be a hard question to answer from one raised up as a teacher/preacher of the word
Well I guess demons did know who Christ was, yes. Who did they think he was?
He shouted at the top of his voice
What do you want with me Jesus, son of the most high God?
Mark 5:7
Then the devil took him to the Holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple
If you are the son of God, he said, throw yourself down
Matt 4:5
Does that answer your above point?
Now, let me put a question to you, have you the courage and assurance to answer it or not, let us see
Then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him so that God may be all in all
1 Cor 15:28
You believe in the economic sense the son has always been subject to the Father, but in the ontological sense this would be impossible
So how WILL the son become subject to the Father at a point in the future
when all dominion, authority and power has been defeated
According to your belief it cannot be the economic sense for Christ is now and always has been subject to the Father in this sense
It cannot be the ontological sense as you believe this would be impossible
So in what way WILL Christ become subject to the Father in the future
That should not be a hard question to answer from one raised up as a teacher/preacher of the word
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not buying those intimidation tactics anymore.
my personal testimony includes supernatural interventions and experiences, personal revelations and continual work within...including the agonizing trip to Calvary where i heard the Law and it's pronouncement against me AND DIED.
however:
none of those things precludes "head knowledge/theology", in fact "head knowledge/theology", taking root are evidence of the new birth (to each the measure given), NOT EVIDENCE AGAINST IT.
Matthew 25:29
For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
not buying those intimidation tactics anymore.
my personal testimony includes supernatural interventions and experiences, personal revelations and continual work within...including the agonizing trip to Calvary where i heard the Law and it's pronouncement against me AND DIED.
however:
none of those things precludes "head knowledge/theology", in fact "head knowledge/theology", taking root are evidence of the new birth (to each the measure given), NOT EVIDENCE AGAINST IT.
Matthew 25:29
For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
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didn't know that about you zone, you learn something every day.
knowledge should be rooted in the Bible and most people don't thrist to know God's words unless
1. they are motivated by the Holy SPirit to learn
or 2. they want to use and warp that knowledge to control and have power over other people by using their faith and trust in God's holy words to control them and get them to do what you want.
that is how I divide the two "Biblical scholars" its really their heart that makes the difference. their actions and words often appear very similar sometimes, for Satan likes to disguise himself in his past glory as an angel of light before God casted him out of Heaven for trying to BE GOD and lying, among other things.
Knowledge can be used by both sides. that is why WISDOM is a spiritual gift from God that everyone should pray for and be open to receiving instruction from the Holy Spirit.
knowledge should be rooted in the Bible and most people don't thrist to know God's words unless
1. they are motivated by the Holy SPirit to learn
or 2. they want to use and warp that knowledge to control and have power over other people by using their faith and trust in God's holy words to control them and get them to do what you want.
that is how I divide the two "Biblical scholars" its really their heart that makes the difference. their actions and words often appear very similar sometimes, for Satan likes to disguise himself in his past glory as an angel of light before God casted him out of Heaven for trying to BE GOD and lying, among other things.
Knowledge can be used by both sides. that is why WISDOM is a spiritual gift from God that everyone should pray for and be open to receiving instruction from the Holy Spirit.
I don't believe I was being imtimidating at all Zone. But from comments I have read on cc(I am not so much meaning you) I do believe wholeheartedy that some make a god out of head knowledge, and this in Biblical times let alone now meant some did not understand the truth that mattered, and human nature never changes.
I do not believe 'head theology' is of any use, and I am not the only one who believes this, I have heard sermons on it. The knowledge has to trravel that short distance to the heart. It can seem a long way at times for it to travel.
I do not believe Matt 25:29 refers to head theology.
The Holy Spirit is in every believer. Is the Holy Spirit in the heart or the head?
The spirit circumcises the heart.
Now I will give you my opinioons which I am sure you will disagree with.
How can we know if we are following after the Holy Spirit for truth or our natural striving to understand truth? The two must be very different
Well, the Bible is Spirit breathed. Therefore if we are following after the Holy Spirit for truth we will not contradict in belief what the Bible says. Now, I know we all have different opinions to a large extent concerning some points in the Bible, that is fair enough. But if we disagree on the basics, one of us must be in trouble.
Let us forget our own theologies for a moment(I hate that word!)
The Bible actually says my belief of what is neccessary to have eternal life is plainly written in the Bible.
I do not want to get into a discussion concerning this subject with you, I hope you believe that, but I am still making a point.
You know I can give you the plainest of scripture that says to believe as I do is what Christ continually demanded to be believed to have eternal life.
You could point to one or two references and believe they mean what you interpret them to mean, but the plain and clear statements on what is required to have eternal life I hold to according to what Christ preached and John plainly stated
1 John 4:15
There was no addition to this concerning looking into the nature of Christ, etc.
So, did the Holy Spirit breathed Bible err in what was continuously stated was neccessary to believe to have eternal life? I don't think he did
And what would it say for the Bible if the plainest of statements in it coud not be relied on for a person to have eternal life?
And what would stop anyone accepting the plainest of statements in the Bible concerning any subject?
The answer is clear to me. Head theology born of the natural mind by studying and not being led of the Holy Spirit
For if that is not the problem the Bible itself is. Because no religion could have a sacred book where the clearest and plainest of statements in it could not be relied upon for a person to be a follower of that religion
This is why I believe that head theology, not being led of the Holy Spirit is at fault here
Like I say, it is either that or the Bible itself must be brought into question
But the heart is deceitful and will not always accept the truth
I do not believe 'head theology' is of any use, and I am not the only one who believes this, I have heard sermons on it. The knowledge has to trravel that short distance to the heart. It can seem a long way at times for it to travel.
I do not believe Matt 25:29 refers to head theology.
The Holy Spirit is in every believer. Is the Holy Spirit in the heart or the head?
The spirit circumcises the heart.
Now I will give you my opinioons which I am sure you will disagree with.
How can we know if we are following after the Holy Spirit for truth or our natural striving to understand truth? The two must be very different
Well, the Bible is Spirit breathed. Therefore if we are following after the Holy Spirit for truth we will not contradict in belief what the Bible says. Now, I know we all have different opinions to a large extent concerning some points in the Bible, that is fair enough. But if we disagree on the basics, one of us must be in trouble.
Let us forget our own theologies for a moment(I hate that word!)
The Bible actually says my belief of what is neccessary to have eternal life is plainly written in the Bible.
I do not want to get into a discussion concerning this subject with you, I hope you believe that, but I am still making a point.
You know I can give you the plainest of scripture that says to believe as I do is what Christ continually demanded to be believed to have eternal life.
You could point to one or two references and believe they mean what you interpret them to mean, but the plain and clear statements on what is required to have eternal life I hold to according to what Christ preached and John plainly stated
1 John 4:15
There was no addition to this concerning looking into the nature of Christ, etc.
So, did the Holy Spirit breathed Bible err in what was continuously stated was neccessary to believe to have eternal life? I don't think he did
And what would it say for the Bible if the plainest of statements in it coud not be relied on for a person to have eternal life?
And what would stop anyone accepting the plainest of statements in the Bible concerning any subject?
The answer is clear to me. Head theology born of the natural mind by studying and not being led of the Holy Spirit
For if that is not the problem the Bible itself is. Because no religion could have a sacred book where the clearest and plainest of statements in it could not be relied upon for a person to be a follower of that religion
This is why I believe that head theology, not being led of the Holy Spirit is at fault here
Like I say, it is either that or the Bible itself must be brought into question
But the heart is deceitful and will not always accept the truth
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If you want to discuss this subject I would like you firstly to do what you said you would do and answer the questions I put before you, that is fair
Biut I would like a response to my main point in my post
If the plain and emphatic statements on a subject that are written in the Bible are not accepted or added to that must mean that either the Bible is at fault or the person who will not accept the plain statements in it(in this case of the required Biblical belief to have eternal life) is because therefore they are not being led of the Holy Spirit in their learnming but their own personal strivings for knowledge
Please address my points in the post, as you said I was intimidating you and I explained my reasons for saying what I did
Did Christ tell us plainly what was required for a person to have eternal life
And what were his plainest words on the subject
I am sorry Zone but if you and others cannot accept what Christ continually stated plainly was the belief a person must hold to have eternal life you are being led of your own natural minds by your own personal understanding and rationalisation
The idea that Christ needed humans to add to how a person must see him to have eternal life in my opinion is ludicrous.
And it shows that 'head theology' of the natural mind matters more to people than the plain words of Christ
The Holy Spirit will noty contradict what Christ said was the requirement of belief for how a person must see him to have eternal life
And every clear statement on this isssue said you have to believe he is the son of God
Biut I would like a response to my main point in my post
If the plain and emphatic statements on a subject that are written in the Bible are not accepted or added to that must mean that either the Bible is at fault or the person who will not accept the plain statements in it(in this case of the required Biblical belief to have eternal life) is because therefore they are not being led of the Holy Spirit in their learnming but their own personal strivings for knowledge
Please address my points in the post, as you said I was intimidating you and I explained my reasons for saying what I did
Did Christ tell us plainly what was required for a person to have eternal life
And what were his plainest words on the subject
I am sorry Zone but if you and others cannot accept what Christ continually stated plainly was the belief a person must hold to have eternal life you are being led of your own natural minds by your own personal understanding and rationalisation
The idea that Christ needed humans to add to how a person must see him to have eternal life in my opinion is ludicrous.
And it shows that 'head theology' of the natural mind matters more to people than the plain words of Christ
The Holy Spirit will noty contradict what Christ said was the requirement of belief for how a person must see him to have eternal life
And every clear statement on this isssue said you have to believe he is the son of God
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WAIT I used the words "spiritual gift" and you didn't jump down my throat???
does that mean its only the apostolic gifts that you don't agree with and think cease/ perfected with the cannonization of the Bible and the early church?
I know you still believe that the Holy Spirit works in the world, I'm just trying to figure out how you define spiritual gifts.
I think they are given to all believers in certain measure depending upon need and situation in our lives and it is not by OUR actions or wants but by the GRACE of God that any gift is given.
I just don't understand the cessation of gifts doctrine you talk about.
God still gives understanding, charity, ministry and more of the 20 gifts listed in the New testament today and the focus should be on the GIVER and not the gifts but anyway...I'll google it some more..
does that mean its only the apostolic gifts that you don't agree with and think cease/ perfected with the cannonization of the Bible and the early church?
I know you still believe that the Holy Spirit works in the world, I'm just trying to figure out how you define spiritual gifts.
I think they are given to all believers in certain measure depending upon need and situation in our lives and it is not by OUR actions or wants but by the GRACE of God that any gift is given.
I just don't understand the cessation of gifts doctrine you talk about.
God still gives understanding, charity, ministry and more of the 20 gifts listed in the New testament today and the focus should be on the GIVER and not the gifts but anyway...I'll google it some more..
that's right ananda.
the chosen apostles (with their power and authourity), the NT prophets (with their ability to receive prophetic insights), the miraculous gift of the disciples suddenly being able to both speak and interpret forgein languages, people being able to receive new revelation (knowledge) for the construction of that which is NOW FULLY COMPLETE (The Testimony of Jesus Christ) have ceased. THE FOUNDATION WAS LAID ONCE.
they are not needed because they were all IN PART. we now have that which is "perfect" (the word means a full end, fully mature, complete). it does not imply DEITY nor Glorification.
yes, the above is true.
it's the NAR that is false. it is intended to subvert both the authority of Christ's first century chosen vessels, and the completely and fully authoritative scriptures (and it's done by suggesting without submitting to them (NAR), one isn't loving God enough, since they are not "hearing from Him")
the chosen apostles (with their power and authourity), the NT prophets (with their ability to receive prophetic insights), the miraculous gift of the disciples suddenly being able to both speak and interpret forgein languages, people being able to receive new revelation (knowledge) for the construction of that which is NOW FULLY COMPLETE (The Testimony of Jesus Christ) have ceased. THE FOUNDATION WAS LAID ONCE.
they are not needed because they were all IN PART. we now have that which is "perfect" (the word means a full end, fully mature, complete). it does not imply DEITY nor Glorification.
yes, the above is true.
it's the NAR that is false. it is intended to subvert both the authority of Christ's first century chosen vessels, and the completely and fully authoritative scriptures (and it's done by suggesting without submitting to them (NAR), one isn't loving God enough, since they are not "hearing from Him")
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