Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh

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Then the end will come when he (Christ) hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destrpoyed all dominion, authority and power.
For he must REIGN UNTIL until he has put all his enemies under his feet
The last enemy to be destroyed is deathj
For He has put everything under his feet
Now when it says thatr everything has been put under him IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER CHRIST
When he has done this, then the son himself will beciome SUBJECT to him who put everything under him so that God will be all in all
1 Cor 15:14-28

Could you explain these verses and what they are saying, especially the words in capitals?

And in what way WILL Christ become subject to the Father when all dominion, authority and power has been defeated?
It cannot be the economic sense as you believe he is now and has always been subject to the Father in that sense
And you believe it is impossible for Christ to be subject to the Father in the ontological sense
So how will the son become subject to the Father in the future, in what way?

Yet for us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and FOR WHOM we live, and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THROUGH WHOM all things came and THROUGH WHOM we live
1 Cor 8:6

That verse clearly states we have one God, the Father and one Lord who is Christ.

John said

No-one has seen God, yet John lived wioth Christ on earth for three years.

Christ said

No-one has seen the Father except the one who is from God, only he has seen the Father
John 6:46

I think it is safe to assume John and Christ are refering to the same person

So, Paul, John and Christ believe the Father is the one true God and John believes no-one has seen God, and Christ statyes no-one has seen the Father

What does the Father say?

But about the son He(the Father) says

Your throne O God will last forever and ever
And righteousness will be a sceptre of your kingdom
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness
Therefore GOD, YOUR GOD has set you above your companions and annointed you with the oil of joy
Heb 1:8&9

A couple of questions here

How can the one true God(if that is who Christ is) have to refer to someone as 'My God'?
How can God Himself have a God that he would have to refer to as such?

Now in those verses it says that God set the son above his companions, so if Christ is God Himself what position did he hold BEFORE HE WAS SET ABOVE HIS COMPANIONS?
Was God Himself then just equal to his companions? Do you believe such a thing is possible?

Regarding Philipians 2:9
Therefore God exalted him(Christ~) to the highest place and gave him a name which is above every name

Did God exalt himself to the highest place and give himself a name that is above every name?

The Lord said tpo my Lord
Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet
Psalm 110:1

So did God tell himself to sit att his right hand yuntil he had put his enemies under his own feet?

In my vision at night I looked and there before me was one like a son of man coming with the clouds of Heaven
He approached the ancient of days and was led into his prescence
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power, all peoples,, nations and men of every language worshipped him
His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed
Daniel 7:13&14

Do you accept that the one like the son of man is Christ?
And do you accept the ancient of days is God? Or the Father?

If so Christ was GIVEN authority, glory and soveriegn power. So if he was given these things what was Christ's position before this?
If Christ has always been God Himself. How could God Himself have sovereign power, authority and glory given to him. Who could bestow such things on God Himself?

Christ said

The Father is greater than I John 14:28

The Father is greater than all John 17:3

That they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John 17:3

Please explain the above three verses
Zone, here is your questions that you have promised to answer. Please sort them as you wish
These arew the questions you said you would answer a few days ago
 
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YOU BEGAN ADDRESSING ME DIRECTLY AGAIN.
I ASKED: WERE WE NOW DIALOGUING. AND WE DID.

now why do you skip over that:

Thomas called JESUS THEOS?

Jesus didn't vapourize Thomas for idolatry.

what is the explanation?
Here is your answer Zone

See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion SINCE MY NAME IS IN HIM
If you listen carefully to what he says, and do all that I say(important) I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you
Ex 23:20-22

Next chapter

Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu went up and SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself
But God did not raise his hand against the leaders of the Israelites, THEY SAW GOD AND THEY ARE AND DRANK
Ex 24:9-11

No-one has seen God
1 John 4:12

So who was the God of Israel seen by 74 Israelites? I know of no Trinitarian who believes the Father has ever been seen

They all ate the same spiritual food and drank from the same spiritual rock that accompanied them, AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST
1 Cor 10:4

So Christ was the God of Israel who accompanied them in the dessert

That makes it easier to understand David's words when speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit

My Lord said to MY LORD
sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet
Psalm 110:1

Also

Why am I so favoured that the mother of MY LORD should come to visit me

And also what you refered to Thomas' words

My Lord and my God

So this does not now contradict the prayer of Jesus to his Father three chapters earlier

That they may know you, the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent

John 17:3

True being the important word

I await your answers to my questions as you promised
 
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lol thanks PPS and Zone thanks for taking the time to spell it out :) I'll just have to pull out my Greek, Hebrew, and find an Armaic dictionary and study the Bible more. I think it will be more use then reading all this internet articles that don't really tell you much of anything but other people's opinion on things.

I'd rather read God's Holy Words :) So PPS if you want to take the time, I and some others will read it :) they just don't post on forums but you'd be surprised how many people read and don't post anything lol. :)
 

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Here is your answer Zone

See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion SINCE MY NAME IS IN HIM
If you listen carefully to what he says, and do all that I say(important) I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you
Ex 23:20-22

Next chapter

Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu went up and SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself
But God did not raise his hand against the leaders of the Israelites, THEY SAW GOD AND THEY ARE AND DRANK
Ex 24:9-11

No-one has seen God
1 John 4:12

So who was the God of Israel seen by 74 Israelites? I know of no Trinitarian who believes the Father has ever been seen

They all ate the same spiritual food and drank from the same spiritual rock that accompanied them, AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST
1 Cor 10:4

So Christ was the God of Israel who accompanied them in the dessert

That makes it easier to understand David's words when speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit

My Lord said to MY LORD
sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet
Psalm 110:1

Also

Why am I so favoured that the mother of MY LORD should come to visit me

And also what you refered to Thomas' words

My Lord and my God

So this does not now contradict the prayer of Jesus to his Father three chapters earlier

That they may know you, the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent

John 17:3

True being the important word

I await your answers to my questions as you promised
and i'll address them tomorrow LBG. its late here, and i've been enjoying sermons on these Important Days to remember.
 
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Any person that must defend a position that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh or that God did not became a man in the likeness of sinful flesh, who was inferior to the Father and only came into being through the will of the Father at some point in eternity past, must believe by default that the Son of God was not eternal, therefore could not of His own deity have or give eternal life to any (Jn 5:26, 10:28, 17:2), that He was not immutable and that His deity was of a lesser sort than that of the Father with a lesser degree of glory. To be and have the attribute of immutability, one must have always existed and to have always existed one must be eternal and have eternal life.

He must also believe that because of Christ's humanity, He was not all God but was made up of only part of God, even when He was resurrected and ascended and who now sits at the right hand of the Father having the same glory. He must also believe by default that God's Son was only in the mind of God as an expression of God's purpose being sent to the earth to take on a human form, but not equal with God as the expressed image of His person, and the brightness of His glory (Heb 1:3, Jn 5:18, Phil 2:6).

From human viewpoint we can see how this could happen, for it also happened with some of the disciples. From human viewpoint they were not able to understand who Christ was as the Son of God nor could they see the Father (Jn 14:1-11). Jesus would ask his disciples, Who do you say I am (Mt 16:13-16 Mk 8:27-30, Lk 9:18-21, Jn 10:36)? The center and crux of our faith resides in the truth and immutable evidence that God was manifest in the flesh and came to earth to dwell with man and become a propitiation for sin as the Son of God (Rom 3:25, 1Jn 2:2, 4:10) .
 
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Any person that must defend a position that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh or that God did not became a man in the likeness of sinful flesh, who was inferior to the Father and only came into being through the will of the Father at some point in eternity past, must believe by default that the Son of God was not eternal, therefore could not of His own deity have or give eternal life to any (Jn 5:26, 10:28, 17:2), that He was not immutable and that His deity was of a lesser sort than that of the Father with a lesser degree of glory. To be and have the attribute of immutability, one must have always existed and to have always existed one must be eternal and have eternal life.

He must also believe that because of Christ's humanity, He was not all God but was made up of only part of God, even when He was resurrected and ascended and who now sits at the right hand of the Father having the same glory. He must also believe by default that God's Son was only in the mind of God as an expression of God's purpose being sent to the earth to take on a human form, but not equal with God as the expressed image of His person, and the brightness of His glory (Heb 1:3, Jn 5:18, Phil 2:6).

From human viewpoint we can see how this could happen, for it also happened with some of the disciples. From human viewpoint they were not able to understand who Christ was as the Son of God nor could they see the Father (Jn 14:1-11). Jesus would ask his disciples, Who do you say I am (Mt 16:13-16 Mk 8:27-30, Lk 9:18-21, Jn 10:36)? The center and crux of our faith resides in the truth and immutable evidence that God was manifest in the flesh and came to earth to dwell with man and become a propitiation for sin as the Son of God (Rom 3:25, 1Jn 2:2, 4:10) .
Anyone can make statements of opinion concerning a subject, but when they steadfastly refuse to answer any question put to them on that subject their words are inevitabley seen to carry little weight

Why not answer all the questions put to Zone in #501, if you can then people will take note far more of the comments you make on this subject and respect your opions far more

Zone has given me her word as a Christian she will answer them, why not do the same

The centre and crux of the Christian faith is that the son of God came to earth in a human body suffered and died for our sin and that if we repent of our sin and ask him into our lives as Lord and Saviour we are saved
 
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Anyone can make statements of opinion concerning a subject, but when they steadfastly refuse to answer any question put to them on that subject their words are inevitabley seen to carry little weight ... PERHAPS BY YOU BUT NOT THOSE THAT KNOW THE TRUE GOD

Why not answer all the questions put to Zone in #501, if you can then people will take note far more of the comments you make on this subject and respect your opions far more... THEY CAN COME TO THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS BECAUSE THEY ASLO HAVE THE WORD AND SPIRIT AS BELIEVERS

Zone has given me her word as a Christian she will answer them, why not do the same ... YOU HAVE THE WRITTEN WORD AND YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT IT TESTIFIES CONCERNING CHRIST

The centre and crux of the Christian faith is that the son of God came to earth in a human body suffered and died for our sin and that if we repent of our sin and ask him into our lives as Lord and Saviour we are saved
No one has to respond to anyone that makes demands from others to answer any of their questions. You have chosen to believe as you have and it is very evident as to what that is. What you believe does not change in any way what the scriptures testify concerning God coming in the flesh through the Son, and what others believe in our heart to be the truth through grace and the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Those that live in unbelief refuse to be reconciled to the truth that we have been given by God through the scriptures. When we believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ we are believing upon Almighty God.

God was manifest in the flesh through the person of His Son and those that are in unbelief cannot have the Son without the Father nor the Father without the Son because they are one and they are the same. The Father is one with the Son and the Son is one with the Father. The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father. To believe upon the Son is to believe upon the Father. There is no Father without the Son and no Son without the Father. They are equal in every way. The Son is not a reflection, a clone or a reproduction of the Father. To see the Son is to see the Father. The Son is the exact and precise image of the Father and without the Son we would not know the Father nor who we have eternal life without the Father or the Son.
 
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Jn 12:44,45 44 Jesus cried (WITH A LOUD VOICE) and said , He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

This is also part of the whole counsel of God on the matter that speaks very plainly, as do all the scriptures, as it relates to the relationship between the Father and the Son and in whom we believe.
 

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LBG:

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Jesus was baptised too. And as he was praying Heaven opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove

Luke 3:22

So why if Christ was God Himself on earth from Birth did the Hol.y Spiorit descend on him in bodily form at his Baptism?

this has been addressed.

When was Christ created?

I believe the Father(the one true God) existed before all else including the son. So, can you tell me if that is true EXACTLY when Christ came into being?
Can you give me the date?

i know you believe that. i do not.
He is eternal.

I believe that in time as WE KNOW IT Christ has always existed but to my finite mind anyway I cannot go beyond that. I have a simple faith based on simple scripture, I do not profess to be a scholar or theologian

no, your theology is highly developed.
this is not 'simple faith based on simple scripture'.

What manner of entity is Christ now?

The Bible says the angels are spirit messengers, God is Spirit, so what entity do you believe Christ would be in essence?
He is above the angels
I would say Christ is also spirit, but man has seen him revealed in human form
If you have understanding beyind this please explain to me, I am always willing to learn

John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Lord: kurios

God: theos

θεός (theos) − 309 Occurrences

http://concordance.biblos.com/theos.htm


Do you agree with the condition Christ set as to how a person must see him to have eternal life.
The answer is yes or no.

the answer is YES.

Can you give me one scripture where Christ CLEARLY commanded anyone to believe he was the one true God Himself?

Can you givew me one scripture where it is CLEARLY stated a person must believe Christ is Goid Himself to have eternal life?

addressed elsewhere.

If you cannot(I do not mean one where you infer that is what is meant) and you do not accept that a simple belief that Christ is the son of God only is enough for a person to have eternal life, you must therefore believe that a belief upon which eternal life hinges is not clearly writtewn in the Bible
Clould you explain please why something so neccessary for a person to believe to have eternal life swould not clearly be written in the Bible

it is understood because it is testified to by The Holy Spirit.

Then the end will come when he (Christ) hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destrpoyed all domkinion, authority and power.
For he must REIGN UNTIL until he has put all his enemies under his feet
The last enemy to be destroyed is deathj
For He has put everything under his feet
Now when it says thatr everything has been put under him IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER CHRIST
When he has done this, then the son himself will beciome SUBJECT to him who put everything under him so that God will be all in all
1 Cor 15:14-28

Could you explain these verses and what they are saying, especially the words in capitals?

redemptive history will be over, and the redeemed with be in eternity with THEOS

Jesus

Yet for us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and FOR WHOM we live, and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THROUGH WHOM all things came and THROUGH WHOM we live
1 Cor 8:6

That verse clearly states we have one God, the Father and one Lord who is Christ.

John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Lord: kurios

God: theos

θεός (theos) − 309 Occurrences

http://concordance.biblos.com/theos.htm

John said

No-one has seen God, yet John lived wioth Christ on earth for three years.

Philippians 2
5Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,a 6who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant,b being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Christ said

No-one has seen the Father except the one who is from God, only he has seen the Father
John 6:46

I think it is safe to assume John and Christ are refering to the same person

your understanding is lacking.
the Father is "seen" and known by by seeing and knowing Jesus.

John 8:19
Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

John 14:8
Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Colossians 1:15
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, (NLT)

So, Paul, John and Christ believe the Father is the one true God and John believes no-one has seen God, and Christ statyes no-one has seen the Father

What does the Father say?

But about the son He(the Father) says

why did you add (the Father)?

Your throne O God will last forever and ever
And righteousness will be a sceptre of your kingdom
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness
Therefore GOD, YOUR GOD has set you above your companions and annointed you with the oil of joy
Heb 1:8&9

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Son: uion
God: theos

it is said of the Son, His throne, O THEOS

Hebrews 1:9
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

God: theos

if you really took a good look at that verse, you would know what it is saying....this is very sad.

Therefore God, even thy God - The original, δια τουτου εχρισε δε, ὁ Θεος, ὁ Θεος σου, may be thus translated: 'Therefore, O God, thy God hath anointed thee.' The form of speech is nearly the same with that in the preceding verse; but the sense is sufficiently clear if we read: 'Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee,' etc.

therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows: the anointer is the God of Christ; that is, God the Father, who is the God of Christ, as man

the preceding verse already showed Jesus as God (theos), but you will not accept that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh.

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Son: uion
God: theos

it is said of the Son, His throne, O THEOS

A couple of questions here

How can the one true God(if that is who Christ is) have to refer to someone as 'My God'?
How can God Himself have a God that he would have to refer to as such?

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A HUMAN PROPITIATION FOR YOUR SIN, YOU HAVE NO PROPITIATION AT ALL.

IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A PERFECTLY RIGHTEOUS SINLESS HUMAN LIFE LIVED IN PLACE OF YOUR UNRIGHTEOUS SINFUL LIFE YOU HAVE NO RIGHTEOUSNESS TO YOUR ACCOUNT.

Now in those verses it says that God set the son above his companions, so if Christ is God Himself what position did he hold BEFORE HE WAS SET ABOVE HIS COMPANIONS?
Was God Himself then just equal to his companions? Do you believe such a thing is possible?

Regarding Philipians 2:9
Therefore God exalted him(Christ~) to the highest place and gave him a name which is above every name

Did God exalt himself to the highest place and give himself a name that is above every name?

Phillipians 2:5-8

Letthis mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
of God: theou (2316: theos)

God: theos

The Lord said tpo my Lord
Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet
Psalm 110:1

So did God tell himself to sit att his right hand yuntil he had put his enemies under his own feet?

the "right-hand" is not a location.

it means THE POWERFUL WORKING OF "THE HAND" of GOD: ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY.
it means Righteous Judgment.

it means also, in the LEGAL/FORENSIC connotation:

the Advocate in a courtroom sits at the right hand of the JUDGE, defending the accused.

the accuser/accused sits to the Judge's LEFT.

The Final Judgment
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.

In my vision at night I looked and there before me was one like a son of man coming with the clouds of Heaven
He approached the ancient of days and was led into his prescence
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power, all peoples,, nations and men of every language worshipped him
His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed
Daniel 7:13&14

Do you accept that the one like the son of man is Christ?
And do you accept the ancient of days is God? Or the Father?

LBG: these are visions given to prophets.
did john see a lamb with 7 eyes on a throne?

If so Christ was GIVEN authority, glory and soveriegn power. So if he was given these things what was Christ's position before this?
If Christ has always been God Himself. How could God Himself have sovereign power, authority and glory given to him. Who could bestow such things on God Himself?

this is all for MAN'S BENEFIT and TO GOD's GLORY, LBG.

God created all things for His good pleasure.

if the inspired scriptures and the Holy Spirit can not show you Jesus is theos my words won't help you.

Christ said

The Father is greater than I John 14:28

The Father is greater than all John 17:3

That they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John 17:3

John 14:28
You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God, but because Jesus was also a man and as a man he was in a lower position.

Jesus was not denying that He was God.
He became a man to die for you LBG.

Colossians 2
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,a not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

I will leave it there for now and give you a chance to respond to my questions

If you can FULLY without evasion answer them and more questions fully that I will then put to you I guess I will have no choicew but to accept you are right and I am wrong.

i am beginning to unfortunately conclude you are not truly seeking to know THEOS, but instead to proselytize for Anrianism:

The doctrines of Arius, denying that Jesus was of the same substance as God and holding instead that he was only the highest of created beings, viewed as heretical by most Christian churches.

if the scriptures and Spirit don't convince you, i can not.

But if you cannot fully answer my questions, then you should have the good grace to accept that as neither of jus could answer all scripture put to us on this subject we should accept simply that we see this differently but we can both believe scripture backs up our belief

all that is true.
but one of us believes Jesus is Theos and one does not.
that's where we see things differently.

For I repeat. I freely admit I cannot answer every wuestion put to me on this subject, I am certainly no theologian or scholar and have a simple faith, but if you cannot answer all the scriptures put to you you should not demand I believe as you do.

you have a deeply ingrained belief that requires you to believe Jesus is a created entity: this is not simple faith.
 

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now why do you skip over that:

Thomas called JESUS THEOS

Jesus didn't vapourize Thomas for idolatry.

what is the explanation?

Here is your answer Zone

See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion SINCE MY NAME IS IN HIM
If you listen carefully to what he says, and do all that I say(important) I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you
Ex 23:20-22

Next chapter

Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu went up and SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself
But God did not raise his hand against the leaders of the Israelites, THEY SAW GOD AND THEY ARE AND DRANK
Ex 24:9-11

No-one has seen God
1 John 4:12

So who was the God of Israel seen by 74 Israelites? I know of no Trinitarian who believes the Father has ever been seen

They all ate the same spiritual food and drank from the same spiritual rock that accompanied them, AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST
1 Cor 10:4

So Christ was the God of Israel who accompanied them in the dessert

That makes it easier to understand David's words when speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit

My Lord said to MY LORD
sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet
Psalm 110:1

Also

Why am I so favoured that the mother of MY LORD should come to visit me

And also what you refered to Thomas' words

My Lord and my God


that's it?
that's your answer?

insuffient.

So this does not now contradict the prayer of Jesus to his Father three chapters earlier

That they may know you, the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent

John 17:3

True being the important word

I await your answers to my questions as you promised

John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” : GOD: theos

THEOS cont................
 

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Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

God: theos






Matthew 1:23 ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει καὶ τέξεται υἱόν, καὶ καλέσουσιν τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἐμμανουήλ, ὅ ἐστιν μεθερμηνευόμενον μεθ' ἡμῶν ὁ θεός.
"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, "God with us."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Matthew 3:9 καὶ μὴ δόξητε λέγειν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς πατέρα ἔχομεν τὸν Ἀβραάμ. λέγω γὰρ ὑμῖν ὅτι δύναται ὁ θεὸς ἐκ τῶν λίθων τούτων ἐγεῖραι τέκνα τῷ Ἀβραάμ.
Don't think to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father,' for I tell you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Matthew 6:30 εἰ δὲ τὸν χόρτον τοῦ ἀγροῦ σήμερον ὄντα καὶ αὔριον εἰς κλίβανον βαλλόμενον ὁ θεὸς οὕτως ἀμφιέννυσιν οὐ πολλῷ μᾶλλον ὑμᾶς, ὀλιγόπιστοι;
But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today exists, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, won't he much more clothe you, you of little faith?
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Matthew 15:4 ὁ γὰρ θεὸς εἶπεν· τίμα τὸν πατέρα καὶ τὴν μητέρα, καί· ὁ κακολογῶν πατέρα ἢ μητέρα θανάτῳ τελευτάτω.
For God commanded, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him be put to death.'
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Matthew 19:6 ὥστε οὐκέτι εἰσὶν δύο ἀλλὰ σὰρξ μία. ὃ οὖν ὁ θεὸς συνέζευξεν ἄνθρωπος μὴ χωριζέτω.
So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, don't let man tear apart."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Matthew 22:32 ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ θεὸς Ἀβραὰμ καὶ ὁ θεὸς Ἰσαὰκ καὶ ὁ θεὸς Ἰακώβ; οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ θεὸς νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων.
'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Matthew 22:32 ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ θεὸς Ἀβραὰμ καὶ ὁ θεὸς Ἰσαὰκ καὶ ὁ θεὸς Ἰακώβ; οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ θεὸς νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων.
'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Matthew 22:32 ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ θεὸς Ἀβραὰμ καὶ ὁ θεὸς Ἰσαὰκ καὶ ὁ θεὸς Ἰακώβ; οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ θεὸς νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων.
'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Matthew 22:32 ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ θεὸς Ἀβραὰμ καὶ ὁ θεὸς Ἰσαὰκ καὶ ὁ θεὸς Ἰακώβ; οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ θεὸς νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων.
'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?' God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 2:7 τί οὗτος οὕτως λαλεῖ; βλασφημεῖ· τίς δύναται ἀφιέναι ἁμαρτίας εἰ μὴ εἷς ὁ θεός;
"Why does this man speak blasphemies like that? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 10:9 ὃ οὖν ὁ θεὸς συνέζευξεν ἄνθρωπος μὴ χωριζέτω.
What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 10:18 ὁ δὲ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν αὐτῷ· τί με λέγεις ἀγαθόν; οὐδεὶς ἀγαθὸς εἰ μὴ εἷς ὁ θεός.
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except one--God.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 12:26 περὶ δὲ τῶν νεκρῶν ὅτι ἐγείρονται οὐκ ἀνέγνωτε ἐν τῇ βίβλῳ Μωϋσέως ἐπὶ τοῦ βάτου πῶς εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ θεὸς λέγων· ἐγὼ ὁ θεὸς Ἀβραὰμ καὶ [ὁ] θεὸς Ἰσαὰκ καὶ [ὁ] θεὸς Ἰακώβ;
But about the dead, that they are raised; haven't you read in the book of Moses, about the Bush, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 12:26 περὶ δὲ τῶν νεκρῶν ὅτι ἐγείρονται οὐκ ἀνέγνωτε ἐν τῇ βίβλῳ Μωϋσέως ἐπὶ τοῦ βάτου πῶς εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ θεὸς λέγων· ἐγὼ ὁ θεὸς Ἀβραὰμ καὶ [ὁ] θεὸς Ἰσαὰκ καὶ [ὁ] θεὸς Ἰακώβ;
But about the dead, that they are raised; haven't you read in the book of Moses, about the Bush, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 12:26 περὶ δὲ τῶν νεκρῶν ὅτι ἐγείρονται οὐκ ἀνέγνωτε ἐν τῇ βίβλῳ Μωϋσέως ἐπὶ τοῦ βάτου πῶς εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ θεὸς λέγων· ἐγὼ ὁ θεὸς Ἀβραὰμ καὶ [ὁ] θεὸς Ἰσαὰκ καὶ [ὁ] θεὸς Ἰακώβ;
But about the dead, that they are raised; haven't you read in the book of Moses, about the Bush, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 12:26 περὶ δὲ τῶν νεκρῶν ὅτι ἐγείρονται οὐκ ἀνέγνωτε ἐν τῇ βίβλῳ Μωϋσέως ἐπὶ τοῦ βάτου πῶς εἶπεν αὐτῷ ὁ θεὸς λέγων· ἐγὼ ὁ θεὸς Ἀβραὰμ καὶ [ὁ] θεὸς Ἰσαὰκ καὶ [ὁ] θεὸς Ἰακώβ;
But about the dead, that they are raised; haven't you read in the book of Moses, about the Bush, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 12:27 οὐκ ἔστιν θεὸς νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων· πολὺ πλανᾶσθε.
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are therefore badly mistaken."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 12:29 ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς ὅτι πρώτη ἐστίν· ἄκουε, Ἰσραήλ, κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος εἷς ἐστιν,
Jesus answered, "The greatest is, 'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one:
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 13:19 ἔσονται γὰρ αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι θλῖψις οἵα οὐ γέγονεν τοιαύτη ἀπ' ἀρχῆς κτίσεως ἣν ἔκτισεν ὁ θεὸς ἕως τοῦ νῦν καὶ οὐ μὴ γένηται.
For in those days there will be oppression, such as there has not been the like from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will be.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 15:34 καὶ τῇ ἐνάτῃ ὥρᾳ ἐβόησεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς φωνῇ μεγάλῃ· ελωι ελωι λαμα / λεμα σαβαχθανι; ὅ ἐστιν μεθερμηνευόμενον· ὁ θεός μου ὁ θεός μου, εἰς τί ἐγκατέλιπές με;
At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is, being interpreted, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Mark 15:34 καὶ τῇ ἐνάτῃ ὥρᾳ ἐβόησεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς φωνῇ μεγάλῃ· ελωι ελωι λαμα / λεμα σαβαχθανι; ὅ ἐστιν μεθερμηνευόμενον· ὁ θεός μου ὁ θεός μου, εἰς τί ἐγκατέλιπές με;
At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is, being interpreted, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 1:32 οὗτος ἔσται μέγας καὶ υἱὸς ὑψίστου κληθήσεται καὶ δώσει αὐτῷ κύριος ὁ θεὸς τὸν θρόνον Δαυὶδ τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ,
He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David,
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 1:68 εὐλογητὸς κύριος ὁ θεὸς τοῦ Ἰσραήλ, ὅτι ἐπεσκέψατο καὶ ἐποίησεν λύτρωσιν τῷ λαῷ αὐτοῦ,
"Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, for he has visited and worked redemption for his people;
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 3:8 ποιήσατε οὖν καρποὺς ἀξίους τῆς μετανοίας καὶ μὴ ἄρξησθε λέγειν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς· πατέρα ἔχομεν τὸν Ἀβραάμ. λέγω γὰρ ὑμῖν ὅτι δύναται ὁ θεὸς ἐκ τῶν λίθων τούτων ἐγεῖραι τέκνα τῷ Ἀβραάμ.
Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and don't begin to say among yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father;' for I tell you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones!
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 5:21 καὶ ἤρξαντο διαλογίζεσθαι οἱ γραμματεῖς καὶ οἱ Φαρισαῖοι λέγοντες· τίς ἐστιν οὗτος ὃς λαλεῖ βλασφημίας; τίς δύναται ἁμαρτίας ἀφεῖναι εἰ μὴ μόνος ὁ θεός;
The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 7:16 ἔλαβεν δὲ φόβος πάντας καὶ ἐδόξαζον τὸν θεὸν λέγοντες ὅτι προφήτης μέγας ἠγέρθη ἐν ἡμῖν καὶ ὅτι ἐπεσκέψατο ὁ θεὸς τὸν λαὸν αὐτοῦ.
Fear took hold of all, and they glorified God, saying, "A great prophet has arisen among us!" and, "God has visited his people!"
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 8:39 ὑπόστρεφε εἰς τὸν οἶκόν σου καὶ διηγοῦ ὅσα σοι ἐποίησεν ὁ θεός καὶ ἀπῆλθεν καθ' ὅλην τὴν πόλιν κηρύσσων ὅσα ἐποίησεν αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς,
"Return to your house, and declare what great things God has done for you." He went his way, proclaiming throughout the whole city what great things Jesus had done for him.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 12:20 εἶπεν δὲ αὐτῷ ὁ θεός· ἄφρων, ταύτῃ τῇ νυκτὶ τὴν ψυχήν σου αἰτοῦσιν / ἀπαιτοῦσιν ἀπὸ σοῦ· ἃ δὲ ἡτοίμασας τίνι ἔσται;
"But God said to him, 'You foolish one, tonight your soul is required of you. The things which you have prepared--whose will they be?'
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 12:24 κατανοήσατε τοὺς κόρακας ὅτι οὐ σπείρουσιν οὐδὲ θερίζουσιν, οἷς οὐκ ἔστιν ταμεῖον οὐδὲ ἀποθήκη, καὶ ὁ θεὸς τρέφει αὐτούς· πόσῳ μᾶλλον ὑμεῖς διαφέρετε τῶν πετεινῶν.
Consider the ravens: they don't sow, they don't reap, they have no warehouse or barn, and God feeds them. How much more valuable are you than birds!
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 12:28 εἰ δὲ ἐν ἀγρῷ τὸν χόρτον ὄντα σήμερον καὶ αὔριον εἰς κλίβανον βαλλόμενον ὁ θεὸς οὕτως ἀμφιέζει πόσῳ μᾶλλον ὑμᾶς, ὀλιγόπιστοι.
But if this is how God clothes the grass in the field, which today exists, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith?
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 16:15 καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· ὑμεῖς ἐστε οἱ δικαιοῦντες ἑαυτοὺς ἐνώπιον τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ὁ δὲ θεὸς γινώσκει τὰς καρδίας ὑμῶν· ὅτι τὸ ἐν ἀνθρώποις ὑψηλὸν βδέλυγμα ἐνώπιον τοῦ θεοῦ.
He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts. For that which is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 18:7 ὁ δὲ θεὸς οὐ μὴ ποιήσῃ τὴν ἐκδίκησιν τῶν ἐκλεκτῶν αὐτοῦ τῶν βοώντων αὐτῷ ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτός καὶ μακροθυμεῖ ἐπ' αὐτοῖς;
Won't God avenge his chosen ones, who are crying out to him day and night, and yet he exercises patience with them?
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 18:11 ὁ Φαρισαῖος σταθεὶς (ταῦτα) πρὸς ἑαυτὸν [ταῦτα] προσηύχετο· ὁ θεός, εὐχαριστῶ σοι ὅτι οὐκ εἰμὶ ὥσπερ οἱ λοιποὶ τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ἅρπαγες, ἄδικοι, μοιχοί, ἢ καὶ ὡς οὗτος ὁ τελώνης·
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 18:13 ὁ δὲ τελώνης μακρόθεν ἑστὼς οὐκ ἤθελεν οὐδὲ τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς ἐπᾶραι εἰς τὸν οὐρανόν, ἀλλ' ἔτυπτεν τὸ στῆθος ἑαυτοῦ / αὐτοῦ λέγων· ὁ θεός ἱλάσθητί μοι τῷ ἁμαρτωλῷ.
But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!'
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 18:19 εἶπεν δὲ αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς· τί με λέγεις ἀγαθόν; οὐδεὶς ἀγαθὸς εἰ μὴ εἷς ὁ θεός.
Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one--God.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

Luke 20:38 θεὸς δὲ οὐκ ἔστιν νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων, πάντες γὰρ αὐτῷ ζῶσιν.
Now he is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for all are alive to him."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

John 1:1 ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

John 1:18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.
No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

John 3:2 οὗτος ἦλθεν πρὸς αὐτὸν νυκτὸς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· ῥαββί, οἴδαμεν ὅτι ἀπὸ θεοῦ ἐλήλυθας διδάσκαλος· οὐδεὶς γὰρ δύναται ταῦτα τὰ σημεῖα ποιεῖν ἃ σὺ ποιεῖς, ἐὰν μὴ ᾖ ὁ θεὸς μετ' αὐτοῦ.
The same came to him by night, and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

John 3:16 Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ' ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

John 3:17 οὐ γὰρ ἀπέστειλεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν υἱὸν εἰς τὸν κόσμον, ἵνα κρίνῃ τὸν κόσμον, ἀλλ' ἵνα σωθῇ ὁ κόσμος δι' αὐτοῦ.
For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

John 3:33 ὁ λαβὼν αὐτοῦ τὴν μαρτυρίαν ἐσφράγισεν ὅτι ὁ θεὸς ἀληθής ἐστιν.
He who has received his witness has set his seal to this, that God is true.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

John 3:34 ὃν γὰρ ἀπέστειλεν ὁ θεὸς τὰ ῥήματα τοῦ θεοῦ λαλεῖ, οὐ γὰρ ἐκ μέτρου δίδωσιν τὸ πνεῦμα.
For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for God gives the Spirit without measure.
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

John 4:24 πνεῦμα ὁ θεός, καὶ τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας αὐτὸν ἐν πνεύματι καὶ ἀληθείᾳ δεῖ προσκυνεῖν.
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
Noun: Nominative Singular Masculine

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another typo and correction:

i am beginning to unfortunately conclude you are not truly seeking to know THEOS, but instead to proselytize for Anrianism:
Arnianism:



ROTFLHMO!
 
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another typo and correction:



Arnianism:



ROTFLHMO!


You call those answers Zone? That is the worse set of answers and evasion I have ever been given.

But then as I said yesterday, many make a god out of head theology

And when they do, they can only bluster and offer no proper answers, for they are not being led of the Holy Spirit, that would be impossible, for they do not accept the words of Christ as to the condition to have eternal life
 
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Jn 12:44,45 44 Jesus cried (WITH A LOUD VOICE) and said , He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

This is also part of the whole counsel of God on the matter that speaks very plainly, as do all the scriptures, as it relates to the relationship between the Father and the Son and in whom we believe.
I will tell you as I told Zone yesterday

Many make a god out of head theology. It isd driven by pride and the ego

And it is easy to see the main culprits who do this

For they do not accept the plain words of Christ as to what is required to have eternal life, therefore they CANNOT be being led of the Holy Spirit

And I say with full assurity that neither you, Zone, Phil or anyone else who takes your stance on this is being led of the Holy Spirit, for the Holy Spirit would NEVER contradict what Christ plainly and continuously stated was how a person must see him to have eternal life

You ignore questions put to you, Zone tries to bluster her way through questions she cannot answer, because you are in effect speaking for yourselves as you are not being led of the Holy Spirit

Anyone who speaks on his own does so to gain honour for himself, but he who works for the honour of the one who sent him is a man of truth and there is nothing false about him
John 7:18

You are here to try and impress others Red as I have told you so many times, for you seek praise from man before you look to seek glory for the one who sent his son to die for you
 

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You call those answers Zone? That is the worse set of answers and evasion I have ever been given.

But then as I said yesterday, many make a god out of head theology

And when they do, they can only bluster and offer no proper answers, for they are not being led of the Holy Spirit, that would be impossible, for they do not accept the words of Christ as to the condition to have eternal life
wow.
i set a new record!




does your theology look like this LBG?
 

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I will tell you as I told Zone yesterday

Many make a god out of head theology. It isd driven by pride and the ego

And it is easy to see the main culprits who do this

For they do not accept the plain words of Christ as to what is required to have eternal life, therefore they CANNOT be being led of the Holy Spirit

And I say with full assurity that neither you, Zone, Phil or anyone else who takes your stance on this is being led of the Holy Spirit, for the Holy Spirit would NEVER contradict what Christ plainly and continuously stated was how a person must see him to have eternal life

You ignore questions put to you, Zone tries to bluster her way through questions she cannot answer, because you are in effect speaking for yourselves as you are not being led of the Holy Spirit

Anyone who speaks on his own does so to gain honour for himself, but he who works for the honour of the one who sent him is a man of truth and there is nothing false about him
John 7:18

You are here to try and impress others Red as I have told you so many times, for you seek praise from man before you look to seek glory for the one who sent his son to die for you
you never did answer: DO YOU WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST, LBG?
 
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you never did answer: DO YOU WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST, LBG?

And so once again like Phil and Red you do not answer questions(as I do not call what you wrote proper answers) but always you believe others should answer the questions you put before them

When we worship Christ we worship the divinity of the Father we see in the son

Please do not ask me anymore questions Zone, you are not able to properly answer thoise put to you
 

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Please do not ask me anymore questions Zone, you are not able to properly answer thoise put to you
excuse me LBG!

i stayed up last night thinking it over....i got up this morning FIRST THING with it on my mind and i took the time to reply as best i could, exactly as i said i would. you however did not bother addressing thomas and THEOS at all.

i won't be asking you another thing.

i'll assume you DO NOT WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST, since for you he is a created entity and that would be IDOLATRY.
 
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Zone

I will tell you what I have told Red

As you CANNOT be being led of the Holy Soirit, for the Holy Spirit would NEVER contradict the words of Christ as to how a person must see him, and what a person must believe about him to have etrnal life you are speaking for yourself

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honour for himself, but he who works for the honour of the one who sent him is a man of truth and there is nothing false about him
John 7:18