Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

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If the kids are in the classroom and the bus engine is cooling off in the parking lot , nobody is gonna say "prove" they didn't get there after school"

That is how absurd ANY POSTRIB rapture dynamic is.
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The clear verses have been provided for those who read this thread. Everyone is free to believe what the Bible says or reject what the Bible says.

What the Bible DOESN'T SAY is that raptured believers are taken to heaven.

So believing such an idea is what is really absurd. Believing what isn't said.
 
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If you keep tracing the argument back. And keep going back. It boils down to this. Is the rapture the same as the coming on the horses. Or, is that two separate events?
It clearly cannot be one event. But That is where their starting place is. ( in a reframed dynamic of "one coming")
They refuse to look at the Rapture verses and they refuse to look at how that relates to millions of horses coming out of the sky with a warrior General leading an army.
That Army is on a mission. It is totally out of place and absurd to try and transpose that dynamic onto a bridegroom fetching his bride in Matthew 25 and Acts chapter 1, and coming in a worldwide Rapture of the Bride. The coming on white horses is a local event. The Gathering of the Bride is a worldwide event.

Two COMPLETELY DISTINCT and separate events.

But THEY need it merged into one.

That dog won't hunt
 
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What part of 1 tes say it happen before gt?
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I was using 1 Thes. 4:13-18 as my reference to what takes place before the book of Rev. begins to unfold.

We call it the rapture/resurrection, you guys call it the resurrection of Rev. 20.
 
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Rev 20
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.

They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

It seem to me people that had not worshiped the beast and not received it mark is Christian that experience great tribulation but refused to take the mark

So rapture happen after great tribulation
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All of rev 20 fits pretrib rapture like a glove.
Rev 20 depicts no resurrection after the trib.
It only says they were killed in it.
Nowhere does it say " resurrected after the trib"
It says NOTHING OF "WHEN"
*****ZERO*****

Re read it. That scene is well into the mil. It is AFTER armageddon.

So postribs need a resurrection before and after armageddon.
2 resurrections of saints?
 
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If you keep tracing the argument back. And keep going back. It boils down to this. Is the rapture the same as the coming on the horses. Or, is that two separate events?
It clearly cannot be one event. But That is where their starting place is. ( in a reframed dynamic of "one coming")
They refuse to look at the Rapture verses and they refuse to look at how that relates to millions of horses coming out of the sky with a warrior General leading an army.
That Army is on a mission. It is totally out of place and absurd to try and transpose that dynamic onto a bridegroom fetching his bride in Matthew 25 and Acts chapter 1, and coming in a worldwide Rapture of the Bride. The coming on white horses is a local event. The Gathering of the Bride is a worldwide event.

Two COMPLETELY DISTINCT and separate events.

But THEY need it merged into one.

That dog won't hunt
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And what verse was that showing Jesus taking resurrected and raptured believers to heaven?

And you have the chutz-pah to say our view doesn't hunt?

You have no verses for your non-biblical view. Or you would have been quoting it all over the place.

You can't, so you just have to make up a lot of stuff. Like whose dog don't hunt. lol
 
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I don't know beheaded or not but they are not take the mark
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It says " all take the mark"
It says " the ac overcomes the saints"
It says " power was given to the ac"

All believers die in the gt.
It is clear.
 
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That alone destroys your position.
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Only from Your view point, not from the fact that Paul explained and answered a sincere question + added it would take place at the LORD's Coming, which any time the Bible refer's to the Lord's Coming, it has always been known to mean His Second Coming.
 
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What verse support your statement?
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Rev 19
Saints in heaven during gt.
Wedding has already happened.
We know this because it says " the wife"

How did they get there.
And what on earth can ANY Purpose be of a postrib rapture?
That notion is absurd
 
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Only from Your view point, not from the fact that Paul explained and answered a sincere question + added it would take place at the LORD's Coming, which any time the Bible refer's to the Lord's Coming, it has always been known to mean His Second Coming.
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Show me a postrib rapture verse.
Should be easy
 
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"""15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."""

Fits pretrib rapture like a glove.
Comes as a thief vividly depicted in mat 25, the 10 virgins where half are left in shame.....as the verse in rev declares.
Jesus changes gears in that verse to make that pretrib rapture starement.

He is not coming as a thief after the wrath .

I only know of one time where a thief came on millions of horses.

Oh wait....no it has never happened.
Psssst...all rapture verses are peacetime and normal life.
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Wow, cherry picked Scriptures that when you read the before/after Verses it's obvious to mean Pre-Trib Rapture are out of context Scripture to create a Lie.
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
Only from Your view point, not from the fact that Paul explained and answered a sincere question + added it would take place at the LORD's Coming, which any time the Bible refer's to the Lord's Coming, it has always been known to mean His Second Coming.
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On the white horses he stays.
In the rapture, he takes his bride to heaven
2 COMPLETELY different dynamics.
Read mat 24.
Both the second coming and rapture depicted VIVIDLY.
 
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Mat 24 CLEARLY depicts 2 completely separate comings.

Vivid and undeniable.

Psssst...noah before the flood.
( you need it to read " after the flood")

Then we have " one taken/left".

(That same ratio is given 5 or so sentences later in the 10 virgin parable. Basically in the same breath)
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You can read into anything, can't you?
 
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Wow, cherry picked Scriptures that when you read the before/after Verses it's obvious to mean Pre-Trib Rapture are out of context Scripture to create a Lie.
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Show me cearly.
I have no idea how you are depicting " cherry pick"

Both your " verses" and mine are from the whole.

Your camp leaves out the rapture verses.
THAT would be your best " cherry pick" example
 
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On the white horses he stays.
In the rapture, he takes his bride to heaven
2 COMPLETELY different dynamics.
Read mat 24.
Both the second coming and rapture depicted VIVIDLY.
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Matthew 24 speaks of several Events, so anyone is capable of getting a piece of it correct. but hardly anyone ever gets it all correct.
 
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If the kids are in the classroom and the bus engine is cooling off in the parking lot , nobody is gonna say "prove" they didn't get there after school"
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And it not prove they will get there after school either

So don't use it to prove whether the kid get there or not
 
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Show me cearly.
I have no idea how you are depicting " cherry pick"

Both your " verses" and mine are from the whole.

Your camp leaves out the rapture verses.
THAT would be your best " cherry pick" example
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The Rapture Verses are the Process explained to the people of Thessalonica to how they will see their loved ones again who are now dead and buried. It's nothing more than an explanation of how Christ will gather us, not a time frame, Other Than Paul said at the Lord's (Second) Coming.
 
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Your teachers leave out " before the flood"

Why do they do that.??

And then reframe lot and noah as non pretrib dynamics

Why do they do that????
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Noah went through the Flood, he was not exempt from it. He did not escape it. He was given the Ark, but he still had to go through the Flood.
 
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