Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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The Rapture was a "mystery" not revealed until the apostle Paul was given direct revelation about it. First Corinthians 15:51 makes this abundantly clear in the most concise, deliberate manner imaginable. Paul carries on with this doctrine per Rom 16:25, 1 Cor 2:7, Eph 1:9, Eph 3:3,4 & 9, Eph 6:19, Col 1:26&27, Col 2:2, Col 4:3, 1Tim 3:9 etc.
On the other hand the Second Coming is definitely absolutely positively NOT a mystery which was not revealed in times past! It is by far the most prophesied event in the Bible bar none. Furthermore the Second Coming is prophesied and promised to Israel and Israel alone (although the Gentiles are incidentally blessed by it as well). Hundreds of times in full complete elaborate detail. It is the time of their redemption and the fulfillment of God's covenant promises. AND THE CHURCH IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in any Second Coming prophecy, and the 70th week of Daniel pertains only to Israel...!
Tragically, It has always been my opinion that the posties around here are BEREFT of the insights into the truth of the Rapture per a generic sort of blindness per Matthew 4:11. Y'all better wake up man. The fact that Israel is in the land is preparing to build the Temple should be a wake up call.
On the other hand the Second Coming is definitely absolutely positively NOT a mystery which was not revealed in times past! It is by far the most prophesied event in the Bible bar none. Furthermore the Second Coming is prophesied and promised to Israel and Israel alone (although the Gentiles are incidentally blessed by it as well). Hundreds of times in full complete elaborate detail. It is the time of their redemption and the fulfillment of God's covenant promises. AND THE CHURCH IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in any Second Coming prophecy, and the 70th week of Daniel pertains only to Israel...!
Tragically, It has always been my opinion that the posties around here are BEREFT of the insights into the truth of the Rapture per a generic sort of blindness per Matthew 4:11. Y'all better wake up man. The fact that Israel is in the land is preparing to build the Temple should be a wake up call.
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Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope.14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.18
Nothing in these verse say rapture before great tribulation. Verse 16 say the Lord will coming than the dead arise and the left that still alive rapture
So it will happen on second coming and second coming is after tribulation
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Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope.14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.18
Nothing in these verse say rapture before great tribulation. Verse 16 say the Lord will coming than the dead arise and the left that still alive rapture
So it will happen on second coming and second coming is after tribulation
What is your definition of the church?
To me the church mean believer.
1 tes 4
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Who are still alive and are left will rapture
That mean still a church on second coming
To me the church mean believer.
1 tes 4
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Who are still alive and are left will rapture
That mean still a church on second coming
There's absolutely NOTHING about the Second Coming that WAS prophesied in the OT that has ANYTHING to do with the Church. Zip. Zero. Nada. No mention no hint nothing.
The FACT that the Bride (who follows Jesus whithersoever He goeth, who is UNIONED with Him).....accompanies Jesus back to the earth at the Second Coming.....WAS A MYSTERY HIDDEN UNTIL THE NEW TESTAMENT....!!!!
Let that fact sink into your mind....
The FACT that the Bride (who follows Jesus whithersoever He goeth, who is UNIONED with Him).....accompanies Jesus back to the earth at the Second Coming.....WAS A MYSTERY HIDDEN UNTIL THE NEW TESTAMENT....!!!!
Let that fact sink into your mind....
Fits pretrib rapture perfectly.
Its like finding some verse about the resurrection at the gwtj but since it did not say " gwtj" we can just reframe it to fit what we want.
All the verses of the postrib doctrine are incorporated into the pretrib rapture doctrine.
We are allowed to venture into your doctrine.
Your doctrine prohibits pretrib rapture verses
That's the difference..and why you guys cling to error.
It is willful errror.
"""Show me where it says " white bird" on the white bird. See, it can not be a white bird""""
Wow...great exegesis
Its like finding some verse about the resurrection at the gwtj but since it did not say " gwtj" we can just reframe it to fit what we want.
All the verses of the postrib doctrine are incorporated into the pretrib rapture doctrine.
We are allowed to venture into your doctrine.
Your doctrine prohibits pretrib rapture verses
That's the difference..and why you guys cling to error.
It is willful errror.
"""Show me where it says " white bird" on the white bird. See, it can not be a white bird""""
Wow...great exegesis
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The fact that these posties continually demand that we (who believe in the correct pretrib doctrine) provide endless proofs ad nauseaum......is telling.
You see the pre-tribbers rarely if ever demand proof of a post-trib rapture. First of all we know that post-trib not true. Secondly we know that those scriptures do not exist. Thirdly we don't need it because we already believe in the true pre-trib doctrine!
I never ever need to hear about a counterfeit post-trib rapture Because I know that I possess the genuine article.
You see the pre-tribbers rarely if ever demand proof of a post-trib rapture. First of all we know that post-trib not true. Secondly we know that those scriptures do not exist. Thirdly we don't need it because we already believe in the true pre-trib doctrine!
I never ever need to hear about a counterfeit post-trib rapture Because I know that I possess the genuine article.
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No, some may hide till the second coming
1 tes 4
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Who are we in verse 17
1 tes 4
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Who are we in verse 17
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