Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

[Heaven_Bound]

He doesn't know.

You clearly don't know the difference between Koine Greek and Classical Greek like the KJV Translators did not know.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

You could be more effective in presenting God's word of you searched and listed the number of times God says we must repent, be baptized and maintain a righteous life.

I do, in real life presentation and Testimony and Teaching the Word.
But on here, this is a platform for Debate and I presented the Facts that Biblical Scholars have claimed, not anything that I have claimed. But when i looked for Unicorn and Satyr, I was just as shocked to find like I would imagine others were. But that is why I turned to more Original and Authentic Versions of God's Holy Word.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Lol
Jesus taught 2 separate comings in mat 24

I have laid that out. Complete with the IMPOSSIBILITY of the postribs tireless efforts to twist the rapture verses.
Take the one taken/left for example.
Watch postribbers twist it into oblivion.
Then just read what it Really SAYS.
But, unfortunately you wont.
Actually you CAN'T.

WHY?????
It is because you guys have a MASSIVE investment in that poorly thought out postrib rapture doctrine. ( WITH NO VERSES.....NONE!!!!)
Now that is comical.

You ABSOLUTELY MUST change the "one taken/ left" component.
You have nowhere to go with it.
You MUST change it.

And Matthew 24 is in Chronological Order. So, if you claim there was 2 Teachings by Christ of His Coming found in Matthew 24, Chronological Order puts the After Tribulation End first, and Your Myth Second.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

You do this same thing over and over.
Point out one "ERROR" after another that become your BASIS FOR BELIEF.
You think you are able to take an imaginary high ground because you opponent has the wrong color tie or his shoe is untied.

Then we look at your " proper way" and see your garments are a mess.

You are proving zero

Who said my intention was to prove something?
My intention has always been to show the Facts.
You, on the hand, have spent hours now trying to convince me of a Lie!

 

[Heaven_Bound]

A rhino is a uni horn.
Sorry to bust your bubble

Then the Hebrew should claim it existed but does not!.

The KJV:
Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

The Tanakh [existed thousands of years in Scrolls before the KJV]
Job 39:9Does the wild ox wish to serve you; will it lodge by your manger? טהֲיֹ֣אבֶה רֵ֣ים עָבְדֶ֑ךָ אִם־יָ֜לִ֗ין עַל־אֲבוּסֶֽךָ:


So, the KJV Interpreters did not even know the difference between a WILD OX and a UNICORN

What else did the KJV Interpreters not know, but still, YOU have that FALSE KNOWLEDGE AND ARE TRYING TO USE IT IN THIS DEBATE

 

[Heaven_Bound]

AHEM;

U'NICORN, noun [Latin unicornis; unus, one, and cornu, horn.]

1. an animal with one horn; the monoceros. this name is often applied to the rhinoceros.


Now what were you saying about not trusting something that INVENTS THINGS?????
AS YOU DO??????

WHAT YOU CLAIM HAS NO BEARING WHEN GOD IS DISCUSSING A [[WILD OX]] AND THE KJV INTERPRETERS CANNOT TRANSLATE AND CALL IT A UNICORN!

JUST PROVES THE KJV IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED IN MANY ISSUES.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

A WILD OX IS NOT A UNICORN, no matter what drugs you are on!!

 

[cv5]

You clearly don't know the difference between Koine Greek and Classical Greek

"like the KJV Translators did not know"

Ludicrous and preposterous. Even I'm not that stupid.

 

[cv5]

A WILD OX IS NOT A UNICORN, no matter what drugs you are on!!

Quit being a goofball about it. Whatever the case might be it's not a big deal. Rhinoceros unicorn whatever.....

 

[Heaven_Bound]

"like the KJV Translators did not know"

Ludicrous and preposterous. Even I'm not that stupid.

You must be, because the 200 A.D. translations are different. Which can only mean, in 200 A.D. they were familiar with Koine Greek, but in 1600's they only knew Classical Greek.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Quit being a goofball about it. Whatever the case might be it's not a big deal. Rhinoceros unicorn whatever.....

A Wild Ox is BOVINE, not a Rhino, not a horse, not a unicorn. GET REAL!

 

[TheLordIsMyRedeemer]

I don't see any gradual "transitional period". On the contrary nothing could be as sharp and distinct as an instantaneous rapture. Furthermore I think the Bible makes perfectly clear that when the "birth pangs" begin you know you're in the tribulation per 1 Thes 5:3, where "sudden destruction" is directly linked to "birth pangs".

How anyone can deny that 1 Thes 5:1-11 are rapture passages simply beggars credulity. The stark contrast between "US" "WE" "YE" (who do not experience the birth pangs or wrath), and "THEY" "THEM" (who are consigned to suffer both) cannot possibly be more intentional and clear.

In other words there is definitely no blending or transitioned here. There is only division, contrast and dichotomy.

Well, I imagine we'll agree to disagree on the harpazo. I understand why pre-trib proponents see only one harpazo prior to Daniel's 70th week. I understand why proponents of this theory keep Matt. 24 out of Daniel's 70th week.

I certainly don't deny that 1 Thes 5:1-11 are rapture passages. It is my view that there are two separate harpazo events shown in the scriptures. 1 Thess 5:1-11 are rapture passages referring to a harpazo event before the prophesied Day of the Lord which I view as occurring after the great tribulation (prewrath).

1. I do believe in the instantaneous rapture of the faithful glorified gentile portion of the Church described as the 'child' in the harpazo of Rev. 12:5 within Daniel's 70th week.

"The main reason for the rapture of the ‘child’/24 Elders is not to escape the wrath of God or to escape the rule of the Beast, but to assist Christ in His High Priestly duties so that He can take the scroll and begin His judgment of the earth.

Once the Lamb has taken the scroll, He will begin to exercise His right to judge. Someone must take His place before the
altar of incense, offering prayers on behalf of the saints on earth. That role will be ours, as priests after the order of Melchizedek. (Revelation 1:6) It’s conceivable that Christ would not be able to begin His judgments of the earth, without the first division of the priesthood being present in heaven to take His place of intercession at the golden altar. This may be one reason why Satan casts a third of the ‘stars’/angels to earth, and positions himself to ‘devour’ the child as soon as it is born, in order to prevent the rapture of the child. (Revelation 12:4) If believers don’t arrive safely in the throne room to begin interceding, Satan would then be able to maintain the ‘status quo', and the Second Coming of Christ would conceivably be rendered impossible."

2. The second 'thief in the night' rapture mentioned in Matthew 24:40-44 is for the 144,000 sealed of Israel who have endured the great tribulation and haven't become martyrs. This Matt. 24:40-44 passage is not the second coming in my view, although I understand why it can be interpreted this way. Jesus sends out His angels to gather His elect from earth (Matthew 24:31) after the great tribulation. The one taken who is taken is part of the elect: a believer in Christ chosen by God, who is "taken" in the sense that he is gathered off the earth and to Christ. Those who are "left" remain to endure the wrath of God at the opening of the sixth seal (Rev. 6:17)

It is my view the "birth pangs" or "beginning of sorrows" of Matt. 24:4-8 are not linked to "sudden destruction" in 1 Thes 5:3. I do understand though how it could be viewed that way. The matter of defining when the time of God's wrath known as Day of the Lord begins has understandably always been disagreed upon.

Sudden destruction is connected to the Wrath of God (Rev. 6:16) that occurs after great tribulation (Matt 24:15).
That sudden destruction does not occur at the start of Daniel's 70th week in my view (as "the tribulation" or 7 year DOL in the pre-trib theory).

The situation with Russia/NATO is now very unstable, and the same with Israel and Iran. Rev. 12 speaks of the woman (Israel) going into travail. It seems reasonable to me that the harpazo event of Rev. 12: 5 will occur as the woman goes into travail within Daniel's 70th week. Proponents of the pre-trib theory would understandably say this travail occurs before or at the exact beginning of Daniel's 70th week.

 

[ewq1938]

I do, in real life presentation and Testimony and Teaching the Word.
But on here, this is a platform for Debate and I presented the Facts that Biblical Scholars have claimed, not anything that I have claimed. But when i looked for Unicorn and Satyr

And what word in the codecies is used for "unicorn"? IOW, what animal is being described?

 

[Heaven_Bound]

And what word in the codecies is used for "unicorn"? IOW, what animal is being described?

Compared to the Hebrew Tanakh, God in the Book of Job used Wild Ox, which is more like a buffalo, or Range Cow, but all are still related to the Bovine Species.

The KJV:
Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

The Tanakh [existed thousands of years in Scrolls before the KJV]
Job 39:9Does the wild ox wish to serve you; will it lodge by your manger? טהֲיֹ֣אבֶה רֵ֣ים עָבְדֶ֑ךָ אִם־יָ֜לִ֗ין עַל־אֲבוּסֶֽךָ:

 

[ewq1938]

Compared to the Hebrew Tanakh, God in the Book of Job used Wild Ox, which is more like a buffalo, or Range Cow, but all are still related to the Bovine Species.

I read the Hebrew word was also used to speak of a Rhinoceros and they are unicorns which means "one horn".

 

[Heaven_Bound]

I read the Hebrew word was also used to speak of a Rhinoceros and they are unicorns which means "one horn".

KJV
Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Tanakh
22 God has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness. כבאֵ֖ל מֽוֹצִיאָ֣ם מִמִּצְרָ֑יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם לֽוֹ:

Clearly, Ox and loftiness don't mean same thing but KJV claims it was a unicorn.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

kjv
Psalms 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn

Tanakh
6 He causes them to dance like a calf, Lebanon and Sirion like a young wild ox. ווַיַּרְקִידֵ֥ם כְּמוֹ־עֵ֑גֶל לְבָנ֥וֹן וְ֜שִׂרְי֗וֹן כְּמ֣וֹ בֶן־רְאֵמִֽים:

Hebrew uses Wild OX again.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

kjv
Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Tanakh
8 God, Who has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness He shall consume the nations which are his adversaries, bare their bones and dip His arrows [into their blood]. חאֵ֚ל מֽוֹצִיא֣וֹ מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם ל֑וֹ יֹאכַ֞ל גּוֹיִ֣ם צָרָ֗יו וְעַצְמֹֽתֵיהֶ֛ם יְגָרֵ֖ם וְחִצָּ֥יו יִמְחָֽץ:

Hebrews uses loftiness
kjv uses unicorn

Something is very sketch about unicorn for the Verses claiming loftiness.

 

[Absolutely]

WHAT YOU CLAIM HAS NO BEARING WHEN GOD IS DISCUSSING A [[WILD OX]] AND THE KJV INTERPRETERS CANNOT TRANSLATE AND CALL IT A UNICORN!

JUST PROVES THE KJV IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED IN MANY ISSUES.

AHEM;

U'NICORN, noun [Latin unicornis; unus, one, and cornu, horn.]

1. an animal with one horn; the monoceros. this name is often applied to the rhinoceros.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

kjv
Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Tanakh
8 God, Who has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness He shall consume the nations which are his adversaries, bare their bones and dip His arrows [into their blood]. חאֵ֚ל מֽוֹצִיא֣וֹ מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם ל֑וֹ יֹאכַ֞ל גּוֹיִ֣ם צָרָ֗יו וְעַצְמֹֽתֵיהֶ֛ם יְגָרֵ֖ם וְחִצָּ֥יו יִמְחָֽץ:

Hebrews uses loftiness
kjv uses unicorn

Something is very sketch about unicorn for the Verses claiming loftiness.