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AHEM;

U'NICORN, noun [Latin unicornis; unus, one, and cornu, horn.]

1. an animal with one horn; the monoceros. this name is often applied to the rhinoceros.
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Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

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8 God, Who has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness He shall consume the nations which are his adversaries, bare their bones and dip His arrows [into their blood]. חאֵ֚ל מֽוֹצִיא֣וֹ מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם ל֑וֹ יֹאכַ֞ל גּוֹיִ֣ם צָרָ֗יו וְעַצְמֹֽתֵיהֶ֛ם יְגָרֵ֖ם וְחִצָּ֥יו יִמְחָֽץ:

Hebrews uses loftiness
kjv uses unicorn

Something is very sketch about unicorn for the Verses claiming loftiness.
 
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I do, in real life presentation and Testimony and Teaching the Word.
But on here, this is a platform for Debate and I presented the Facts that Biblical Scholars have claimed, not anything that I have claimed. But when i looked for Unicorn and Satyr, I was just as shocked to find like I would imagine others were. But that is why I turned to more Original and Authentic Versions of God's Holy Word.
There is great educational value in debates.
B aware.
 
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I do, in real life presentation and Testimony and Teaching the Word.
But on here, this is a platform for Debate and I presented the Facts that Biblical Scholars have claimed, not anything that I have claimed. But when i looked for Unicorn and Satyr, I was just as shocked to find like I would imagine others were. But that is why I turned to more Original and Authentic Versions of God's Holy Word.
Has no impact on what I have suggested.
 
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Then the Hebrew should claim it existed but does not!.

The KJV:
Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

The Tanakh [existed thousands of years in Scrolls before the KJV]
Job 39:9Does the wild ox wish to serve you; will it lodge by your manger? טהֲיֹ֣אבֶה רֵ֣ים עָבְדֶ֑ךָ אִם־יָ֜לִ֗ין עַל־אֲבוּסֶֽךָ:


So, the KJV Interpreters did not even know the difference between a WILD OX and a UNICORN:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

What else did the KJV Interpreters not know, but still, YOU have that FALSE KNOWLEDGE AND ARE TRYING TO USE IT IN THIS DEBATE :unsure:

Now you are nit picking in attempt to save face.
Step right up and face results of actions or in actions.
 
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Now you are nit picking in attempt to save face.
Step right up and face results of actions or in actions.
Why must i save face from someone like You?
What have You ever done for me that i should consider your false truths?
 
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Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Tanakh
8 God, Who has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness He shall consume the nations which are his adversaries, bare their bones and dip His arrows [into their blood]. חאֵ֚ל מֽוֹצִיא֣וֹ מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם ל֑וֹ יֹאכַ֞ל גּוֹיִ֣ם צָרָ֗יו וְעַצְמֹֽתֵיהֶ֛ם יְגָרֵ֖ם וְחִצָּ֥יו יִמְחָֽץ:

Hebrews uses loftiness
kjv uses unicorn

Something is very sketch about unicorn for the Verses claiming loftiness.
south of the border they say...unocorn.
 
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Why must i save face from someone like You?
What have You ever done for me that i should consider your false truths?

Never mind me...stick with God's word.
He is the one I am always concerned about and u should be also.
 
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Never mind me...stick with God's word.
He is the one I am always concerned about.
I do, I have the Tanakh, which is the comprised Version of the Ancient Hebrew Scrolls. It was in existence in the days of Christ.
 
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You need to know the difference in a Jew and a Hebrew...do you?
My Family is partially Sephardim Jew from my Grandfather's (Mother's) Lineage that can be traced back before 70 A.D.

You need to know how to interpret Scripture!
 
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Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Tanakh
8 God, Who has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness He shall consume the nations which are his adversaries, bare their bones and dip His arrows [into their blood]. חאֵ֚ל מֽוֹצִיא֣וֹ מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם ל֑וֹ יֹאכַ֞ל גּוֹיִ֣ם צָרָ֗יו וְעַצְמֹֽתֵיהֶ֛ם יְגָרֵ֖ם וְחִצָּ֥יו יִמְחָֽץ:

Hebrews uses loftiness
kjv uses unicorn

Something is very sketch about unicorn for the Verses claiming loftiness.
What is the interpretive difference? Very sketch...doesn't do it.
 
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My Family is partially Sephardim Jew from my Grandfather's (Mother's) Lineage that can be traced back before 70 A.D.

You need to know how to interpret Scripture!
Well what is the difference between a Jew and a Hebrew?
If you don't know just don't answer and that is an answer....make it easy for you. Then as a Hebrew I will explain.
 
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Well what is the difference between a Jew and a Hebrew?
If you don't know just don't answer and that is an answer....make it easy for you. Then as a Hebrew I will explain.
You really talk in circles.
You are a Gentile grafted into the Kingdom of God.
Does not make you any brighter, smarter, more intelligent, it just means you are Family.
 
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"these are the last days"......Indeed these ARE the "last days".....of the Age of Grace aka the Church age. Been going on now for over 2000 years but not much longer.

This age ends at the rapture. THEN and only then The Day of the Lord begins with the 70th week of Daniel, which itself begins only after the rapture and when the man of sin is revealed.

The point I'm trying to make is that "the last days" as used by the Apostles (many times!) in reference to the Church have nothing whatsoever to do with Matt 24 (end time verses) aka Daniels 70th week aka the time of the Tribulation, which is merely the BEGINNING of the DOTL,
 
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Hello cv5- Sorry I have not been back here for a bit and missed your response..

So in looking at what you said that this age ends at the rapture...lets go into in a bit further.

Jesus said the harvest is the end of the age and then he said at the harvest the tares would be gathered and cast in the fire and the righteous would be rewarded.

In order for the wheat and the tares to be rewarded they both would have to be first resurrected and then judged. Do you believe there will be a resurrection of the wicked dead when the rapture happens, or just a resurrection of the wheat?
 
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Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Tanakh
8 God, Who has brought them out of Egypt with the strength of His loftiness He shall consume the nations which are his adversaries, bare their bones and dip His arrows [into their blood]. חאֵ֚ל מֽוֹצִיא֣וֹ מִמִּצְרַ֔יִם כְּתֽוֹעֲפֹ֥ת רְאֵ֖ם ל֑וֹ יֹאכַ֞ל גּוֹיִ֣ם צָרָ֗יו וְעַצְמֹֽתֵיהֶ֛ם יְגָרֵ֖ם וְחִצָּ֥יו יִמְחָֽץ:

Hebrews uses loftiness
kjv uses unicorn

Something is very sketch about unicorn for the Verses claiming loftiness.
I found roughly 6 references to "unicorn".

Could be "wild ox"

Could be "rhino"

Not exactly a game changer.

This is interesting;
From wiki
Re'em
A re'em, also reëm (Hebrew: רְאֵם), is an animal mentioned nine times in the Hebrew Bible.[note 1] It has been translated as "unicorn" in the King James Version, and in some Christian Bible translations as "oryx" (which was accepted as the referent in Modern Hebrew),[citation needed] "wild ox", "wild bull", "buffalo" or "rhinoceros".[1] Rabbi Natan Slifkin argues that it is the aurochs.[2]

No smoking gun anyway you slice it
 
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I found roughly 6 references to "unicorn".

Could be "wild ox"

Could be "rhino"

Not exactly a game changer.

This is interesting;
From wiki
Re'em
A re'em, also reëm (Hebrew: רְאֵם), is an animal mentioned nine times in the Hebrew Bible.[note 1] It has been translated as "unicorn" in the King James Version, and in some Christian Bible translations as "oryx" (which was accepted as the referent in Modern Hebrew),[citation needed] "wild ox", "wild bull", "buffalo" or "rhinoceros".[1] Rabbi Natan Slifkin argues that it is the aurochs.[2]

No smoking gun anyway you slice it
Let's say for the sake of arguing, we leave animals out of it and concentrate why unicorn would be used for loftiness?

The Hebrew meaning for loftiness is:
Translations of loftiness
noun
נַעֲלוּת
superiority, loftiness
שֶׂגֶא
loftiness, greatness, elevation, teak
שֶׂגֶב
exaltation, loftiness



How does UNICORN, the wild Ox, the Rhino, the Buffalo equal to God's Power when He brought Israel out of Egypt?

Personally, I don't see how it could ever add up. God's Strength is as equal to a Rhino, the Creator of the Universe is equal to a Rhino? I don't buy it and cannot see how they would even use Unicorn for that translation.

In Job, God discusses both the Wild Ox and the Behemoth. He explains the Behemoth is massive and powerful. Definitely more powerful than the Rhino. And the KJV interpreters choose Unicorn over Behemoth to describe the Power of God??
 
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You really talk in circles.
You are a Gentile grafted into the Kingdom of God.
Does not make you any brighter, smarter, more intelligent, it just means you are Family.
No....I am Hebrew Christian...not a Jew.
I can see you have a difficult time knowing the difference.
 

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Something is very sketch about unicorn for the Verses claiming loftiness.
You seem to have misunderstood this passage. Balaam was prophesying about Israel, and simply made a comparison -- "as it were" -- to the strength of a unicorn (possible a rhino). There's no question that rhinos are extremely strong. So the prophecy was really about Israel in the future, AFTER it is redeemed and restored, AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. Israel will be the leading nation on the earth following the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth. There are many prophecies to this effect.
 
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You seem to have misunderstood this passage. Balaam was prophesying about Israel, and simply made a comparison -- "as it were" -- to the strength of a unicorn (possible a rhino). There's no question that rhinos are extremely strong. So the prophecy was really about Israel in the future, AFTER it is redeemed and restored, AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. Israel will be the leading nation on the earth following the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth. There are many prophecies to this effect.
There definitely is a Prophecy, but the portion concerning being brought out of Egypt had already been fulfilled. In the Tanakh, Loftiness means, by God's [Greatness, Superiority, Exaltation], not by the Power Example of an animal. But I do give you effort for creativity (y)