Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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That is because it is the only resurrection by title (first, chief, most honorable) for the righteous. There is NOT ONE WORD that hints this resurrection is a one time event. In fact, John hints strongly against your theory: there were thrones and people judging from those thrones. They too were a part of the first resurrection. Who are they? They are probably both the new and old testament saints - all in resurrection bodies.
... CUE the "great delusion" that "GOD SHALL SEND to them" [to certain ones, not to all] "SO THAT they should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI..." vv.10-12 (which is what will take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"--again, not for 100% of the ppl on earth... but certain ones...)
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You have confused yourself here, a plain reading of what I stated above is that the First Resurrection happens both Pre Trib AND after the Second Coming, (over a 7 Year Period of time).
The Church is raised because we go to Marry Jesus the Lamb, since the Old Testament Saints are God's Bride, why would they be coming to that wedding? They are raised at the VERY END, when God sends Jesus, the 144,000 (3-5 million Jews who repent) have The Fathers name on their forehead, God is the Groom to the Jews, he Married them long ago. All men who are raised are raised in the First Resurrection, it just happens over a 7 year period of time.
The Church is raised because we go to Marry Jesus the Lamb, since the Old Testament Saints are God's Bride, why would they be coming to that wedding? They are raised at the VERY END, when God sends Jesus, the 144,000 (3-5 million Jews who repent) have The Fathers name on their forehead, God is the Groom to the Jews, he Married them long ago. All men who are raised are raised in the First Resurrection, it just happens over a 7 year period of time.
The Rev. 14:14 verse is a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rspture thus it shows Jesus from upon a cloud thrusting in the sickle to harvest his bride, the Church, Pre Trib.
People jus do nit understand Revelation. Chapter 1 is Jesus as seen in all his glory by John. Chapters 2 and 3 are the Church Age. Chapters 4 and 5 ae the Raptured Church in Heaven. Ch. 6 is Jesus opening the scroll of judgments, they are NOT Judgments themselves. Ch. 7 is the Jews fleeing Judea 144,000 = ALL Israel who repent or 3-5 million Jews) and the Church Age Saints who came out of the Church Age Tribulation (see John 16:33 ALL TIME is Troubles).
The Judgment Chapters
Rev. chapters 8, 9 and 16 (15&16 go together actually) are THE JUDGMENT CHAPTERS. All the other chapters are Parenthetical Citation Chapters, or chapters that cover events that happed DURING the Judgment Chapters above.
So, Rev. 14 has a THEME TO IT, just like Rev. 11 is the Two-witnesses chapter, Rev. 12 is the Dragon chasing the Woman chapter, Rev. 13 is the Beast Arises Chapter, Rev. 17 is the Harlot Religions die chapter, Rev. 18 is Babylon (the whole world) being Judged chapter, Revelation chapter 14 is THE HARVEST CHAPPTER.
Since the Pre Tribulation Harvest happens 7 years before the 144,000 and the Wicked Grape Harvest, this chapter has to have a FLASHBACK in its PAINTED PICTURE Vision God was giving John.
Thus Jesus shows up on the Mount of God with 144,000 (this is simply Jesus coming to rescue the 3-5 million Jews who repented and are being protected in the Petra/Boztah area by God, go read Isaiah 63, that is Rev. 14 come to pass in full fruition.
Isaiah 63:1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. 2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
Now go reread Rev. 14, and you will understand the 144,000 (code for 3-5 million Jews just as The Woman is code) are those Jesus shows up to save, the vision showing them on the Mount of God just means Jesus showed up to save his Jewish Brothers in the Edom/Petra/Bozrah area. Then in verses 17-20 we see the Wine-press of Gods Wrath against the Wicked, as spoken of in Isaiah 63 also. Thus this is just THE HARVEST CHAPTER, and verse 14 is the Church who do not need to go through the Tribulation because the Barley doesn't need to be CRUSHED in order to be sifted, thus in order to show this "ONE VISON" unto John, God had to show John a THEATRICAL LIKE FLASHBACK, where Jesus Raptures the Church in Vere 14. It is kind of odd we can understand a FLASHBACK in a movie, but we cant grasp it when God does it.
So, the Rev. 14:14 verse is mu happening during the Great Tribulation brother.
People jus do nit understand Revelation. Chapter 1 is Jesus as seen in all his glory by John. Chapters 2 and 3 are the Church Age. Chapters 4 and 5 ae the Raptured Church in Heaven. Ch. 6 is Jesus opening the scroll of judgments, they are NOT Judgments themselves. Ch. 7 is the Jews fleeing Judea 144,000 = ALL Israel who repent or 3-5 million Jews) and the Church Age Saints who came out of the Church Age Tribulation (see John 16:33 ALL TIME is Troubles).
The Judgment Chapters
Rev. chapters 8, 9 and 16 (15&16 go together actually) are THE JUDGMENT CHAPTERS. All the other chapters are Parenthetical Citation Chapters, or chapters that cover events that happed DURING the Judgment Chapters above.
So, Rev. 14 has a THEME TO IT, just like Rev. 11 is the Two-witnesses chapter, Rev. 12 is the Dragon chasing the Woman chapter, Rev. 13 is the Beast Arises Chapter, Rev. 17 is the Harlot Religions die chapter, Rev. 18 is Babylon (the whole world) being Judged chapter, Revelation chapter 14 is THE HARVEST CHAPPTER.
Since the Pre Tribulation Harvest happens 7 years before the 144,000 and the Wicked Grape Harvest, this chapter has to have a FLASHBACK in its PAINTED PICTURE Vision God was giving John.
Thus Jesus shows up on the Mount of God with 144,000 (this is simply Jesus coming to rescue the 3-5 million Jews who repented and are being protected in the Petra/Boztah area by God, go read Isaiah 63, that is Rev. 14 come to pass in full fruition.
Isaiah 63:1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. 2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
Now go reread Rev. 14, and you will understand the 144,000 (code for 3-5 million Jews just as The Woman is code) are those Jesus shows up to save, the vision showing them on the Mount of God just means Jesus showed up to save his Jewish Brothers in the Edom/Petra/Bozrah area. Then in verses 17-20 we see the Wine-press of Gods Wrath against the Wicked, as spoken of in Isaiah 63 also. Thus this is just THE HARVEST CHAPTER, and verse 14 is the Church who do not need to go through the Tribulation because the Barley doesn't need to be CRUSHED in order to be sifted, thus in order to show this "ONE VISON" unto John, God had to show John a THEATRICAL LIKE FLASHBACK, where Jesus Raptures the Church in Vere 14. It is kind of odd we can understand a FLASHBACK in a movie, but we cant grasp it when God does it.
So, the Rev. 14:14 verse is mu happening during the Great Tribulation brother.
Maybe I did sent it to the wrong person (new here)
I see 14:14 fulfilling this statement of Jesus, and yes there is the Great Multitude from all the nations and the 144,000 Jews that the Lamb harvests out of this time period.
Jhn 6:40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up in the last days.”
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
The following (Great gathering) coming out of the first 1263.5 day, (immediately before the bowls of wrath begin.
Rev 15:2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God. 3 And they sang the song of Moses, the bond-servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and marvelous are Your works, O Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are Your ways, King of the nations!
Temple opened bowl angels come out to deliver wrath.
Rev 15:5-6a After these things I looked, and the temple of the tabernacle of testimony in heaven was opened 6a and the seven angels who had the seven plagues came out of the temple
Temple closed and Bowls of wrath begin
Rev 15:8 The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power; and no one was able to enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.
I see 14:14 fulfilling this statement of Jesus, and yes there is the Great Multitude from all the nations and the 144,000 Jews that the Lamb harvests out of this time period.
Jhn 6:40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up in the last days.”
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
The following (Great gathering) coming out of the first 1263.5 day, (immediately before the bowls of wrath begin.
Rev 15:2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God. 3 And they sang the song of Moses, the bond-servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and marvelous are Your works, O Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are Your ways, King of the nations!
Temple opened bowl angels come out to deliver wrath.
Rev 15:5-6a After these things I looked, and the temple of the tabernacle of testimony in heaven was opened 6a and the seven angels who had the seven plagues came out of the temple
Temple closed and Bowls of wrath begin
Rev 15:8 The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power; and no one was able to enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.
Do you know what "Secret" means? Well, in the bible Mystery means a Secret by God's Silence, because the word used means "TO SHUT THE MOUTH"
From my Original King James/Greek study guide
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, 2400 z5628 I shew 3004 z5719 you 5213 a mysterie: 3466 we shall y2837 z0 not 3756 all 3956 y3303 sleepe, 2837 z5701 but 1161 wee shall y236 z0 all 3956 be changed, 236 z5691
#3466 μυστήριον musterion {moos-tay'-ree-on}
from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth); TDNT - 4:802,615; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) hidden thing, secret, mystery
1a) generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the
initiated and not to ordinary mortals
1b) a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)
So, Paul is telling you this MYSTERY he has been shown, heretofore has been a SECRET not revealed by God in the scriptures, thus we do not see the Rapture of the Church in the Old Testament because the Jews only repent during the 70th week fir the most part, we can however add it up in certain scriptures in the Old Testament, if we know what to look for. The problem with too many Christians is they CONFLATE prophesies about the Old Testament Saints and the Church of Jesus Christ. Whenever Jesus (who stated e was sent to the Jews ONLY) is saying in Matt. 24 and other places that he will come IMMEDIALY AFTER the 70th week Tribulation, he's talking about coming to save the Jewish peoples, the ONLY ONES he was called unto, he wouldn't even speak to the Samaritan woman until her FAITH MOVED him. The Centurion's GREAT FAITH moved him !! But he preached only unto the Jews, so why do you guts nit understand Matt. 24 is unto the Jews? Even the 70 he sent out he forbade from going to the Gentiles, Jesus then sent Paul unto the Gentiles, then Paul says I tell you a MYSTERY (Secret) that God has not told anyone here to fore. The Dead IN CHRIST (not the Jews of old, the Dead in the Grave) will come out with NO SIN FLESH (uncorrupted with sin flesh = No Flesh, the Arise as Spirit men) will rise FIRST (but I say this is just Paul trying to keep them from fearing that there loved one would not be taken, because those of us still alive will be taken a Blink of and Eyelid later, so lets be real, its all at the EXACT SAME TIME) and then the living will be CHANGED (this means we must leave our CORRUPTED FLESH on this earth and go to heaven as Spirit Men without the CORRUPTED SIN FLESH).
Then we come back with Jesus in Revelation chapter 19, while the Beast and his Minions are still on this evil earth. We can see the Church in Rev. chapters 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. Just because people cant DIG OUT these Secrets of God which were only given unto Paul, that is on you guys for not being able to discern the obvious. In 2 Thess. 2 Paul says that the Church will be Raptured BEFORE the Anti-Christ and the Day of the Lord comes, you guys understand it as a Falling Away from the Faith, but its not a Leaving of ones Faith, its a LEAVING from the Earth by the Church. All one as to do is READ verse 1, it says what is being spoken of VERY CLEARLY, a Gathering unto Christ Jesus is being spoken about, thus Paul tells the Thessalonians not to fear that the Wrath of God is upon them, because both the Anti-Christ and the Day of God's Wrath can not come before the Rapture of the Church. You guys just do not understand how to dig out these Secrets of God.
From my Original King James/Greek study guide
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, 2400 z5628 I shew 3004 z5719 you 5213 a mysterie: 3466 we shall y2837 z0 not 3756 all 3956 y3303 sleepe, 2837 z5701 but 1161 wee shall y236 z0 all 3956 be changed, 236 z5691
#3466 μυστήριον musterion {moos-tay'-ree-on}
from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth); TDNT - 4:802,615; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) hidden thing, secret, mystery
1a) generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the
initiated and not to ordinary mortals
1b) a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)
So, Paul is telling you this MYSTERY he has been shown, heretofore has been a SECRET not revealed by God in the scriptures, thus we do not see the Rapture of the Church in the Old Testament because the Jews only repent during the 70th week fir the most part, we can however add it up in certain scriptures in the Old Testament, if we know what to look for. The problem with too many Christians is they CONFLATE prophesies about the Old Testament Saints and the Church of Jesus Christ. Whenever Jesus (who stated e was sent to the Jews ONLY) is saying in Matt. 24 and other places that he will come IMMEDIALY AFTER the 70th week Tribulation, he's talking about coming to save the Jewish peoples, the ONLY ONES he was called unto, he wouldn't even speak to the Samaritan woman until her FAITH MOVED him. The Centurion's GREAT FAITH moved him !! But he preached only unto the Jews, so why do you guts nit understand Matt. 24 is unto the Jews? Even the 70 he sent out he forbade from going to the Gentiles, Jesus then sent Paul unto the Gentiles, then Paul says I tell you a MYSTERY (Secret) that God has not told anyone here to fore. The Dead IN CHRIST (not the Jews of old, the Dead in the Grave) will come out with NO SIN FLESH (uncorrupted with sin flesh = No Flesh, the Arise as Spirit men) will rise FIRST (but I say this is just Paul trying to keep them from fearing that there loved one would not be taken, because those of us still alive will be taken a Blink of and Eyelid later, so lets be real, its all at the EXACT SAME TIME) and then the living will be CHANGED (this means we must leave our CORRUPTED FLESH on this earth and go to heaven as Spirit Men without the CORRUPTED SIN FLESH).
Then we come back with Jesus in Revelation chapter 19, while the Beast and his Minions are still on this evil earth. We can see the Church in Rev. chapters 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. Just because people cant DIG OUT these Secrets of God which were only given unto Paul, that is on you guys for not being able to discern the obvious. In 2 Thess. 2 Paul says that the Church will be Raptured BEFORE the Anti-Christ and the Day of the Lord comes, you guys understand it as a Falling Away from the Faith, but its not a Leaving of ones Faith, its a LEAVING from the Earth by the Church. All one as to do is READ verse 1, it says what is being spoken of VERY CLEARLY, a Gathering unto Christ Jesus is being spoken about, thus Paul tells the Thessalonians not to fear that the Wrath of God is upon them, because both the Anti-Christ and the Day of God's Wrath can not come before the Rapture of the Church. You guys just do not understand how to dig out these Secrets of God.
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Armageddon happens after Wedding. The Marriage takes place before the enemy has been made to be his footstool. The Groom and Bride ride down together at The Second Coming, according to Revelation 19.
Revelation
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Revelation
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
With all due respect, that's a perty lame horse yer ride'n, partner.
"Those who remain" simply refers to we who remain on Earth because we have not died of natural causes yet.
1 Thessalonians
4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
"Those who remain" simply refers to we who remain on Earth because we have not died of natural causes yet.
1 Thessalonians
4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Some can be natural causes I’m sure, but the Biblical context is end times eschatology.
Jesus confirmed that during the tribulation almost all of His elect will perish, due to tribulation, but that in order to save people the tribulation will be shortened.
Matthew 24:21-22
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 is about those who are alive and remain because they survived the great tribulation.
Jesus confirmed that during the tribulation almost all of His elect will perish, due to tribulation, but that in order to save people the tribulation will be shortened.
Matthew 24:21-22
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 is about those who are alive and remain because they survived the great tribulation.
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All who's not wraiten on the lambs book mean there is people that not take the mark
Rev 13
8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[b]
9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”[d]
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
Rev 13
8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[b]
9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”[d]
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.