Even though you do not understand the incarnation, you have partially proven the Oneness belief. There is only one Spirit of God, and as you said God the Father is that Spirit. So explain the Holy Spirit with this understanding in mind. Is He the Spirit of God the Father therefore not a separate person, or is He a separate Spirit from God the Father, causing God to have two Spirits?
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Yes there is only One Spirit, the Holy Spirit/ Holy Ghost but many do not know that He is Jesus Christ!
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Did you notice how JESUS said the FATHER would send the COMFORTER (HOLYSPIRIT/GHOST), then JESUS said HE would send the COMFORTER, then Jesus claimed to be the Comforter!
JESUS is the FATHER, SON & HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT! Glory be to the Most High God!
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Did you notice how JESUS said the FATHER would send the COMFORTER (HOLYSPIRIT/GHOST), then JESUS said HE would send the COMFORTER, then Jesus claimed to be the Comforter!
JESUS is the FATHER, SON & HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT! Glory be to the Most High God!
Father God said through the Prophet Zechariah that HE would be pierced as the SON:
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
The Prophet Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah (Christ) would be both FATHER and SON:
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
The Prophet Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah (Christ) would be both FATHER and SON:
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a SON is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
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No, you have to distinguish between those two Persons of the Godhead. If the Bible does it, you do too. There is a Father (God), there is a Son (God), and there is a Holy Spirit (God). They're all God, as we're all human, but our human brains try to limit God by saying "HEY, YOU CAN'T BE THREE SEPARATE BEINGS AND STILL ONE AT THE SAME TIME!". But that's exactly what we try to do. Limit God. That's what you're doing by saying Jesus has to be the Father.
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Without the knowledge of the truth, which only comes to an honest heart by divine revelation, many have misunderstand the manifestations of God, and have tried to form three Persons or Deities. Therefore, many are confused by a false, powerless, man-made doctrine called the "Trinity". Do not take mere theories and ideas of men; learn the truth about this important subject.
"Hear, 0 Israel: the Lord our God is ONE LORD." Deut. 6:4. This commandment given to Israel is confirmed in the New Testament (Mark 12:29) and must be obeyed by all Christians today. "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." James 2:19.
"God is a Spirit..." John 4:24. "No man hath seen God at anytime..." John 1:18. God, the invisible Spirit, has only revealed Himself to man by manifestations. Although there are many manifestations of God, the Scriptures teach that there are basically three offices or positions in which God has manifested Himself. God was manifested as the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Ghost in emanation.
GOD MANIFESTED AS THE FATHER IN CREATION
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Gen. 1:1. No one else but God performed the miracle of creation. And God said, "Let us make man in our image..." Gen. 1:26. To use the word "us" and try to form other Gods in the creation, clashes not only with the Scriptures, but with common sense. The word God means Supreme Being, the eternal and infinite Spirit, Creator and Sovereign of the universe. There cannot be more than one Supreme Being. By no means was God talking or counseling with other Gods. He was counseling with His own will. Eph. 1:11. In the creation of man, God, the eternal Spirit, foresaw the image or the Son in which He would some day reveal Himself to man. The Son did not exist at the creation. "But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law." Gal. 4:4. The San, who is the image of God, was made thousands of years after the creation. Also God spoke of things which be not as though they were. Ram. 4:17. "So Gad created man in HIS OWN IMAGE," Gen. 1:27. "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that hod not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of Him that was to come. Ram 5:14. God, referring to the Sonship, made Adam in the figure of Him that was to come. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1. The Word cannot be separated from Gad. The term "Word" is derived from the Greek term "logis" which means "thought or plan". God’s thoughts are with Him, but they cannot be separated from Him. "The Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD." "All things were made by Him (Word); and without Him (Word) was not anything made that was made." John 1:3. "...The worlds were framed by the Word of God..." Heb. 11:3. So by His Word God created all things.
"Thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it...I am the LORD; and there is NONE ELSE." Is. 45:18. "...I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF." Is. 44:24. ".. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." Is. 44:8. "See now that I, even I, am He, and there is NO GOD WITH ME..." Deut. 32:39. "Have we not all ONE Father? Hath not ONE God created us" Mal. 2:10.
"Hear, 0 Israel: the Lord our God is ONE LORD." Deut. 6:4. This commandment given to Israel is confirmed in the New Testament (Mark 12:29) and must be obeyed by all Christians today. "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." James 2:19.
"God is a Spirit..." John 4:24. "No man hath seen God at anytime..." John 1:18. God, the invisible Spirit, has only revealed Himself to man by manifestations. Although there are many manifestations of God, the Scriptures teach that there are basically three offices or positions in which God has manifested Himself. God was manifested as the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Ghost in emanation.
GOD MANIFESTED AS THE FATHER IN CREATION
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Gen. 1:1. No one else but God performed the miracle of creation. And God said, "Let us make man in our image..." Gen. 1:26. To use the word "us" and try to form other Gods in the creation, clashes not only with the Scriptures, but with common sense. The word God means Supreme Being, the eternal and infinite Spirit, Creator and Sovereign of the universe. There cannot be more than one Supreme Being. By no means was God talking or counseling with other Gods. He was counseling with His own will. Eph. 1:11. In the creation of man, God, the eternal Spirit, foresaw the image or the Son in which He would some day reveal Himself to man. The Son did not exist at the creation. "But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law." Gal. 4:4. The San, who is the image of God, was made thousands of years after the creation. Also God spoke of things which be not as though they were. Ram. 4:17. "So Gad created man in HIS OWN IMAGE," Gen. 1:27. "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that hod not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of Him that was to come. Ram 5:14. God, referring to the Sonship, made Adam in the figure of Him that was to come. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1. The Word cannot be separated from Gad. The term "Word" is derived from the Greek term "logis" which means "thought or plan". God’s thoughts are with Him, but they cannot be separated from Him. "The Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD." "All things were made by Him (Word); and without Him (Word) was not anything made that was made." John 1:3. "...The worlds were framed by the Word of God..." Heb. 11:3. So by His Word God created all things.
"Thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it...I am the LORD; and there is NONE ELSE." Is. 45:18. "...I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF." Is. 44:24. ".. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." Is. 44:8. "See now that I, even I, am He, and there is NO GOD WITH ME..." Deut. 32:39. "Have we not all ONE Father? Hath not ONE God created us" Mal. 2:10.
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GOD MANIFESTED AS THE SON IN REDEMPTION
A blood sacrifice without sin must be made for the redemption of man. Without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Heb. 9:22. So by His plan (Word), God, the invisible Spirit, made Himself a body born of the virgin Mary, and dwelt among us. "And the Word (which was God) was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." John 1,14. This body was the only begotten Son or image of God. Paul said that the Son is the image (body) of the invisible God. The Sonship was planned from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13: and prophesied as early as Gen. 3:15. Hundreds of years later Isaiah prophesied," ...Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel...which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US." Is. 7:14; Matt. 1:23. "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Is. 9:6. To Joseph the angel said, "...thou shall call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sin.. and he called His name JESUS." Matt. 1:21-25. Fosset’s Bible Encyclopedia declares that Jesus means Jehovah-Salvation, or Jehovah is become Saviour.
The name Jesus was not revealed until God made Himself a body. Until then He was called Jehovah. For example:
Jehovah-Jireh - The Lord provides. Gen. 22:14.
Jehovah-Rapha - The Lord that healeth. Exod. 15:26.
Jehovah-Nissi - The Lord is our banner. Exod. 17:15.
Jehavah-Sholom - The Lord our peace. Judges 6:24.
Jehovah-Ra-ah - The Lord is my shepherd. Ps. 23.
Jehovah-Tsidkenu - The Lord our righteousness. Jer. 23:6.
Jehovah-Shammah - The Lord is present. Ezek. 48:35.
When God made Himself a body to redeem man from sin, He then was called JESUS - Jehovah-Salvation.
A blood sacrifice without sin must be made for the redemption of man. Without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Heb. 9:22. So by His plan (Word), God, the invisible Spirit, made Himself a body born of the virgin Mary, and dwelt among us. "And the Word (which was God) was made flesh, and dwelt among us..." John 1,14. This body was the only begotten Son or image of God. Paul said that the Son is the image (body) of the invisible God. The Sonship was planned from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13: and prophesied as early as Gen. 3:15. Hundreds of years later Isaiah prophesied," ...Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call His name Immanuel...which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US." Is. 7:14; Matt. 1:23. "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Is. 9:6. To Joseph the angel said, "...thou shall call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sin.. and he called His name JESUS." Matt. 1:21-25. Fosset’s Bible Encyclopedia declares that Jesus means Jehovah-Salvation, or Jehovah is become Saviour.
The name Jesus was not revealed until God made Himself a body. Until then He was called Jehovah. For example:
Jehovah-Jireh - The Lord provides. Gen. 22:14.
Jehovah-Rapha - The Lord that healeth. Exod. 15:26.
Jehovah-Nissi - The Lord is our banner. Exod. 17:15.
Jehavah-Sholom - The Lord our peace. Judges 6:24.
Jehovah-Ra-ah - The Lord is my shepherd. Ps. 23.
Jehovah-Tsidkenu - The Lord our righteousness. Jer. 23:6.
Jehovah-Shammah - The Lord is present. Ezek. 48:35.
When God made Himself a body to redeem man from sin, He then was called JESUS - Jehovah-Salvation.
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Like I said, you're trying to limit God with your human mind. You're denying the Trinity; considering it's accepted by every non-apostate Christian denomination (and nondenominational Christian churches), your belief is literal heresy. It goes against the doctrine of the Christian church, so you're literally teaching heresy in a Christian forum.
John 8:58 - I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 8:58 - I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
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ALSO, the point I was trying to make with the verse I gave was that you cited Galations 4:4, like it proved Jesus didn't exist before he was born to Mary.
Galations 4:4 - But when the time had fully come, Godsenthis Son, born of a woman, born under law,
John 8:58 - "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Galations 4:4 - But when the time had fully come, Godsenthis Son, born of a woman, born under law,
John 8:58 - "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Jesus did say He was the comforter that He was sending.
Jesus said this when speaking of His descension and sending the Holy Spirit.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
I The man Jesus Christ will not leave you comfortless, I the Holy Spirit will come to you.
Jesus clearly claims to be the Son and the Holy Spirit here.
Jesus said this when speaking of His descension and sending the Holy Spirit.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
I The man Jesus Christ will not leave you comfortless, I the Holy Spirit will come to you.
Jesus clearly claims to be the Son and the Holy Spirit here.
This is not referrring to the Spirit, this is referring to His resurrection 3 days after his death.
Jesus said:
Joh 14:16AndIwillpraytheFather,andheshallgiveyouanotherComforter,thathemayabidewithyouforever;
We can see three things, Jesus is not the Father, Jesus had to pray to the Father (not to Himself). Jesus gave them another Comforter.
It cannot conttradict verse 18 where Jesus is speaking of His own person coming back from the dead - not that He is the Spirit who will come to them.
I was addressing the idea that there are 7 spirits spoken of in revelation. It shows your complete lack of understanding of the trinity doctrine - which affirms the three are one. Not in substance, but in unity. But obviously Jesus is not a Spirit. So your oneness view cannot be true since Jesus cannot be both flesh and spirit you need to be one or the other. Yes the Father is spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing. God the Father never moved upon the waters in Genesis, God the Father never lives in a Christian , He is in heaven - it is the Spirit who does those things. God always refers to His Spirit as a distinct person when He talks about "my Spirit".
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There is the Father...the Son...and the Holy Spirit..........Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father...When you see me you see my Father..many times Jesus talked of doing his Fathers will...On the cross who do you think Jesus was crying out to??? Himself. Jesus was a God up in heaven long before he came down to earth to be born a human. That's why he seen different people like Moses up in heaven before he came here. God bless you
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