Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Evmur]

I'm sure most will immediately disagree, and rightly so. Jesus' fulfilling of the Spirit of the Law in us does not permit us to break the Letter of the Law.

Yes, the Letter of the Law is a killer, but to whom? To him who attempts to obtain salvation through observing it - which is impossible, according to Romans 8:7 KJV and Luke 17:10 KJV. But, to the Christian who keeps the Spirit of the Law forbidding lust - and by that will automatically be keeping the Letter of the Law forbidding the act of adultery - to him, it is not a killer, but a "Law of Liberty".

So, if the fact that Jesus is our truth, reward, and faithfulness does not permit us to lie, steal, or fornicate...why do so many claim that since Jesus is their spiritual rest, they may freely break the fourth commandment? To the contrary, if Jesus is indeed our inward Spiritual rest, we will demonstrate that by outward obedience to the fourth commandment, according to Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV. The only rest God ever took was literal rest from His work of creation on the seventh day; the only day upon which He rested, blessed it, and sanctified it. If He is indeed our spiritual rest, we ought to evidence that by literally resting on the seventh day Sabbath day. Need I remind anyone, it's not the fourth "suggestion", it's the Fourth Commandment, right or wrong?

who says we may break the 4th commandment? I never heard a christian say that in over 40 years.

... you made it up

 

[Truth7t7]

who says we may break the 4th commandment? I never heard a christian say that in over 40 years.

... you made it up

Nobody talks about breaking the 4th commandment, its openly on display every week on Constantines "Sun"day

(Remember The Sabbath Day To Keep It Holy)

 

[gb9]

Nobody talks about breaking the 4th commandment, its openly on display every week on Constantines "Sun"day

(Remember The Sabbath Day To Keep It Holy)

^ as told to Israel only.

 

[Truth7t7]

^ as told to Israel only.

As Told To The Church

John 14:15-17KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[gb9]

As Told To The Church

John 14:15-17KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

when Jesus said " keep My commands", he was referring to what He said while on earth, not what God the Father said to Moses at Sinai.

the truth of Trinity......

 

[Truth7t7]

when Jesus said " keep My commands", he was referring to what He said while on earth, not what God the Father said to Moses at Sinai.

the truth of Trinity......

Jesus Christ taught observance of the Ten Commandments, as you falsely claim he removed them to one commandment, love thy neighbor as thyself "Wrong"

Matthew 19:16-20KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[gb9]

Jesus Christ taught observance of the Ten Commandments, as you falsely claim he removed them to one commandment, love thy neighbor as thyself "Wrong"

Matthew 19:16-20KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

well, Paul said that in His letter to the Galatians, so if you disagree with the Law being summed up in " love your neighbor as yourself, "take it up with Paul.

and, yes, Jesus taught the 10 Commands to jews in judea, so there is that...

do you accept the truth of Trinity?

 

[Blik]

^ as told to Israel only.

Israel only people have cancelled most of scripture to all gentiles. Even the 23rd Psalm is not for them it is for Israel only.

 

[TheLearner]

ok

 

[posthuman]

As Told To The Church

John 14:15-17KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

if you believe keeping sabbath according to the Torah is what John 14:15 means, then you must also circumcise your children on the 8th day.

however scripture also says that keeping circumcision as a matter of law for righteousness is putting Christ to open shame and falling from grace.

so you have some re-thinking to do

 

[Phoneman-777]

I guess you thought Noah kept himself safe on the Ark . That he shut the door , That he steered the ship safely and kept himself saved .

He made the choice to enter and the choice not to climb out the window, right? IOW, he chose to "abide" in the Ark, just as Jesus tells us to "abide" in the ark of His Salvation, right or wrong?

OSAS teaches, "Abide? Meh...doing or not doing so doesn't have any impact on your salvation."

 

[Phoneman-777]

Titus 2
11¶For the GRACE of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12TEACHING US that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15¶These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Its Grace that teaches to live for God . I've seen many people who believe what you believe stumble and fall due to sin ,despair and loss of hope . Because they think they've blown it . Whole churches shipwrecked because of Lordship salvation and trying to keep the law . This leads to ruin for a lot of Christians . They don't understand a way out of the bind of this wrong doctrine . Its also a 'baby Christian ' issue because they still need the guard rails on . There tossed to and fro with this teaching because they don't understand they are saved permanently. So they do fall into sin ironically enough because they lose hope . Its a tragedy thats put on the body of Christ . We see Paul constantly telling the church who they are in Christ . That they are secure ,that they are sealed unto the day of redemption. That they cannot be lost . So don't follow the flesh, don't stumble into the world ,because your not of the world anymore. The irony of your position causes the issues we have in the church. But I believe the SDA is just a religion . I don't believe its Christianity at all .There maybe some saved people among, just like the Catholic Church. Saved ,not because of their church ,but in spite of it . I hope that your one of them, I really do .

There's a difference between the Just Man who falls 7 times into the pit of sin but rises by the uplifting hand of Jesus - plenty of mercy and forgiveness for that soul.

What OSAS teaches is that there's the same mercy and forgiveness for the Presumptuous Man who climbs down into it, sits down among the filth, swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and waves a OSAS License to Sin in His face. No mercy for that guy ever.

 

[Blik]

if you believe keeping sabbath according to the Torah is what John 14:15 means, then you must also circumcise your children on the 8th day.

however scripture also says that keeping circumcision as a matter of law for righteousness is putting Christ to open shame and falling from grace.

so you have some re-thinking to do

Jesus explained the law of the Lord, it is all based on love of God and man as ourselves. Cutting foreskin is not of love, it was given to men as a help to remember they belonged to the Lord before the holy spirit was given to all.

You can listen to the Lord as we are told He worked six days and rested on the seventh, and believe in it's spiritual and temporal message. It is related to the basic law of the Lord---to love. We are to follow scripture. Scripture tells us cutting skin is unnecessary, and it tells us honoring Sabbath is necessary.

 

[Phoneman-777]

if you believe keeping sabbath according to the Torah is what John 14:15 means, then you must also circumcise your children on the 8th day.

however scripture also says that keeping circumcision as a matter of law for righteousness is putting Christ to open shame and falling from grace.

so you have some re-thinking to do

The Ten Commandments existed before the Law of Moses was given at Sinai: Genesis 4:8 KJV; Genesis 9:22 KJV; Genesis 12:13 KJV; Genesis 39:9 KJV; Genesis 31:19 KJV; etc.

The Mosaic Law "was added (to the Ten Commandments) because of transgressions (of the Ten Commandments) until the Seed should come": Galatians 3:19 KJV

The Mosaic Law began at Sinai and ended at the Cross, but as for the Ten Commandments...Lucifer broke, among other laws, the law against trafficking lies (Ezekiel 28:16-18 KJV) way up there in heaven even before sin got busy down here.

BTW, the Ten Commandments, which tablets God carved out and then wrote on them with His finger, shall "stand fast forever and ever": Psalms 111:7-8 KJV

 

[Phoneman-777]

yes I’m saying the Ten Commandments are the law of Moses covenant

Sorry, but your premise is flawed right out the gate, for two reasons:

A) The Ten Commandments are not the Old Covenant; they are merely a component of the Old Covenant. Like all covenants that are based on mutual promises which each party entering the covenant agrees to fulfill, the two components of the Old Covenant are (1) God's promise of blessing if (2) Israel promises to obey His Law.

B) If God's Law is truly the Old Covenant as you claim, we should be able to substitute "Old Covenant" for "law" in Romans 3:31 KJV:

"Do we make void the (Old Covenant) through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the (Old Covenant)."

Now, unless you're going to argue that Christians are now running around establishing the Old Covenant, please cease from this popular yet erroneous teaching that God's Law is the Old Covenant....to the contrary, we New Covenant Christians establish God's Law by keeping it.

 

[Phoneman-777]

There are people who believe in scripture and also believe that it was not the Holy Father who gave the ten commandments because Christ explained their true meaning.

It wasn't the Holy Father, specifically, Who gave the Ten Commandments....it was the pre-incarnate Christ with Israel in the Red Sea, the wilderness, at Sinai, according to 1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV; 1 Corinthians 10:9 KJV.

 

[Phoneman-777]

who says we may break the 4th commandment? I never heard a christian say that in over 40 years.

... you made it up

I made nothing up...any Christian who claims we don't have to keep the 4th Commandment by implication claims we may break it. Do you say we don't have to keep it?

 

[Blik]

It wasn't the Holy Father, specifically, Who gave the Ten Commandments....it was the pre-incarnate Christ with Israel in the Red Sea, the wilderness, at Sinai, according to 1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV; 1 Corinthians 10:9 KJV.

The ten commandments were written by God's own finger on two tablets of stone. Your verses have absolutely nothing to do with the finger of God the Father.

 

[Phoneman-777]

The ten commandments were written by God's own finger on two tablets of stone. Your verses have absolutely nothing to do with the finger of God the Father.

Is English your first language? Those verses plainly tell us Who led the Israelites out of Egypt and to the Promised Land: the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ.

Want another example of how the New Testament confirms it was Christ in the OT?​

The God of the OT said in Psalms 78:1-2 KJV:
"Give ear, O my people, [to] My law: incline your ears to the words of My mouth.
I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:"

Matthew 13:34-35 KJV:
All these things SPAKE JESUS unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sorry, but your premise is flawed right out the gate, for two reasons:

A) The Ten Commandments are not the Old Covenant; they are merely a component of the Old Covenant. Like all covenants that are based on mutual promises which each party entering the covenant agrees to fulfill, the two components of the Old Covenant are (1) God's promise of blessing if (2) Israel promises to obey His Law.

B) If God's Law is truly the Old Covenant as you claim, we should be able to substitute "Old Covenant" for "law" in Romans 3:31 KJV:

"Do we make void the (Old Covenant) through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the (Old Covenant)."

Now, unless you're going to argue that Christians are now running around establishing the Old Covenant, please cease from this popular yet erroneous teaching that God's Law is the Old Covenant....to the contrary, we New Covenant Christians establish God's Law by keeping it.

no Jesus established the new covenant his words are the law of God is what I’m saying so I would never argue that Christians are establishing the old covenant that doesn’t even make sense to me actually what you concluded there aboutbchrostians wsrablishing the old covenant lost me with that one

Before you explain I’m wrong consider of the apostles are also wrong

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not even sure you are reading my replies to come to that conclusion