Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide
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Well notfollowingjesus, if your going stand by this statement of yours, "i try to just stick wuth (sic) what is written" then how come you deny what was written in the following post of mine to you where you specifically claimed that Jesus is not God?
"You said this notfollowingjesus, "where did ypu show any scripture? ever saying Jesus is God? it seems like you are on a differenct planet. abraham obeyed God because he had faith he believed Gods Word." Well, things are not always what they seem. One of the problems you have of many is that you can't keep up and you continue to cut and paste the same verses and contradicting yourself. The following is what I posted to you that prove Jesus Christ is God.
"This is what you said notfollowingjesus, "where is the scripture that says " Jesus is God?" or " the christ is God?" or " unles a person believes that Jesus is God, they need to change?" those scriptures arent found in the Bible, its when a person wont accept whats written, they need change to agree with whats written."
For one thing Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah/Chirst would be God. Isaiah 7:14, "His name Immanuel means "God with us." In the New testament you have John 20:28 where Thomas declares Jesus Christ his "Lord and God." Titus 2:13 is declared God by the Apostle Paul. 2 Peter 2:1 Jesus is declared God. At Hebrews 1:8 God the Father declares His Son to be God.
Revelation 1:8 where Jesus is speaking declares Himself God. Revelation 1:17.18 Jesus says He is the "First and Last" and in the Old Testament Isaiah 44:6 God declares Himself to be the "First and Last." You also have Revelation 3:14 which shows Jesus Christ is the creator along with John 1:3, Colossians 1:16,17.
Now, can you please tell me why at the trial of Jesus Christ He was accused of blasphem for claiming to be the Messiah/Christ and the Son of God? All you have to do is read the trial transcript at Matthew 26:63 where the High priest Caiaphas askl Jesus to swear, here you read it, "But Jesus kept silent, And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure/swear You by the living God, that You tell us whether (that word whether means the high priest is asking the one person of Jesus two questions?) (1) Are You the Christ and (2) the Son of God?"
At Luke 22:70 Jesus says, "Yes, I am." Then at Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and said< "He has blasphemed!" So why is it blasphemy for Jesus to claim to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves believe their sons of God as well? Plus the fact that it is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. We got little messiah's running all over the landscape all through out history and even today and no one is killed for making the claim.
What you don't understand is the Jews have "idioms" and one of those "idioms" is the "son of" idiom. There are many of them throughout the Bible. For example, the Son of valor at 1 Samuel 14:52 refers to a brave or valiant man. Sons of rebellion at Numbers 17:25 refers to persons who are rebels. Sons of foolishness at Job 30:8, refers to senseless people.
In the New Testament you have at Luke 10:6 "Son of peace" referring to a peaceful person. How about this one? "Son of perdition" at John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who do you think this is refering to? The lost one Judas. Or Sons of Abraham at Galatians 3:7 refer to those like him in the exercise of faith.
How about one more, the Son of God! The Jews understood that when Jesus Christ said at John 5:17, "But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." So tell me, why did the Jews at vs18 want to kill Jesus? The answer is in the verse where it says, "Jesus was making Himself equal with God" because He called God His own Father which was a true statement. In fact, look what Jesus said at Luke 2:49 when He was a boy. "And He said to them, (His parents) "Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?"
Do you know why Jesus Christ ofter referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him human and the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him Deity/God. This is why Jesus has two natures, one of human and one of Deity/God. In short the idiom of "Son of God" as it applies only to Jesus Christ has to do with His nature. When Jesus said at John 10:30, "I and the Father, We are one" here again the Jews knew He was referring to having the same nature as His Father. This why they wanted to kill Him because in their mind He was blaspheming. The only problem was (like you) the Jews did not believe Him which means Jesus was telling the truth therefore He was not blaspheming.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
"You said this notfollowingjesus, "where did ypu show any scripture? ever saying Jesus is God? it seems like you are on a differenct planet. abraham obeyed God because he had faith he believed Gods Word." Well, things are not always what they seem. One of the problems you have of many is that you can't keep up and you continue to cut and paste the same verses and contradicting yourself. The following is what I posted to you that prove Jesus Christ is God.
"This is what you said notfollowingjesus, "where is the scripture that says " Jesus is God?" or " the christ is God?" or " unles a person believes that Jesus is God, they need to change?" those scriptures arent found in the Bible, its when a person wont accept whats written, they need change to agree with whats written."
For one thing Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah/Chirst would be God. Isaiah 7:14, "His name Immanuel means "God with us." In the New testament you have John 20:28 where Thomas declares Jesus Christ his "Lord and God." Titus 2:13 is declared God by the Apostle Paul. 2 Peter 2:1 Jesus is declared God. At Hebrews 1:8 God the Father declares His Son to be God.
Revelation 1:8 where Jesus is speaking declares Himself God. Revelation 1:17.18 Jesus says He is the "First and Last" and in the Old Testament Isaiah 44:6 God declares Himself to be the "First and Last." You also have Revelation 3:14 which shows Jesus Christ is the creator along with John 1:3, Colossians 1:16,17.
Now, can you please tell me why at the trial of Jesus Christ He was accused of blasphem for claiming to be the Messiah/Christ and the Son of God? All you have to do is read the trial transcript at Matthew 26:63 where the High priest Caiaphas askl Jesus to swear, here you read it, "But Jesus kept silent, And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure/swear You by the living God, that You tell us whether (that word whether means the high priest is asking the one person of Jesus two questions?) (1) Are You the Christ and (2) the Son of God?"
At Luke 22:70 Jesus says, "Yes, I am." Then at Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and said< "He has blasphemed!" So why is it blasphemy for Jesus to claim to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves believe their sons of God as well? Plus the fact that it is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. We got little messiah's running all over the landscape all through out history and even today and no one is killed for making the claim.
What you don't understand is the Jews have "idioms" and one of those "idioms" is the "son of" idiom. There are many of them throughout the Bible. For example, the Son of valor at 1 Samuel 14:52 refers to a brave or valiant man. Sons of rebellion at Numbers 17:25 refers to persons who are rebels. Sons of foolishness at Job 30:8, refers to senseless people.
In the New Testament you have at Luke 10:6 "Son of peace" referring to a peaceful person. How about this one? "Son of perdition" at John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who do you think this is refering to? The lost one Judas. Or Sons of Abraham at Galatians 3:7 refer to those like him in the exercise of faith.
How about one more, the Son of God! The Jews understood that when Jesus Christ said at John 5:17, "But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." So tell me, why did the Jews at vs18 want to kill Jesus? The answer is in the verse where it says, "Jesus was making Himself equal with God" because He called God His own Father which was a true statement. In fact, look what Jesus said at Luke 2:49 when He was a boy. "And He said to them, (His parents) "Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?"
Do you know why Jesus Christ ofter referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him human and the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him Deity/God. This is why Jesus has two natures, one of human and one of Deity/God. In short the idiom of "Son of God" as it applies only to Jesus Christ has to do with His nature. When Jesus said at John 10:30, "I and the Father, We are one" here again the Jews knew He was referring to having the same nature as His Father. This why they wanted to kill Him because in their mind He was blaspheming. The only problem was (like you) the Jews did not believe Him which means Jesus was telling the truth therefore He was not blaspheming.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well denadii, the fact is that you do exist and if you do not like being confronted/challenged on what you say on these forums then cancel your account. The purpose of these formus is to discuss Biblical theology and to be not only accountable for what you say but to provide proof of what you say that is consistent with orthodox Biblical theology. I suggest you read 1 Peter 3:15. The other thing to remember is these forums serve to help one learn because it forces one to look up things to see if what a person is saying is true by the "plumb line" of the Bible, unless of course your lazy. I again suggest you read Acts 17:11.
Now, you also said were all little christs/gods and to prove it you quote Psalm 82:6. Tell me something, whath word of faith heretical teacher did you learn this from? Was kenneth copeland, creflo $ollar, benny hinn, kennth hagin, fred price of joyce meyer? Who?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now, you also said were all little christs/gods and to prove it you quote Psalm 82:6. Tell me something, whath word of faith heretical teacher did you learn this from? Was kenneth copeland, creflo $ollar, benny hinn, kennth hagin, fred price of joyce meyer? Who?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
The Bible says Jesus is God. You choose not to believe it
As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject. But if it is ignored and dismissed as you do with the whole first chapter of John, there is not much hope of bringing you into the fold of Truth. You are not interested. You are too closed minded to accept that Jesus has many names and titles. May the Voice of Many Waters cleanse your stubbornly closed heart.
God explicitly states that He does not share His glory, and yet Jesus specifically asks to be restored to the glory He shared with God before the world was even created. I have given you a multitude of Scriptures over a period of time that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that the proper understanding embraces believing Jesus is God. I see you resorting again to your slandering people you do not like, even steering people you disagree with to people you consider false teachers. Your methods are despicable, Jason. May God have mercy on your lost soul.
As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject. But if it is ignored and dismissed as you do with the whole first chapter of John, there is not much hope of bringing you into the fold of Truth. You are not interested. You are too closed minded to accept that Jesus has many names and titles. May the Voice of Many Waters cleanse your stubbornly closed heart.
God explicitly states that He does not share His glory, and yet Jesus specifically asks to be restored to the glory He shared with God before the world was even created. I have given you a multitude of Scriptures over a period of time that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that the proper understanding embraces believing Jesus is God. I see you resorting again to your slandering people you do not like, even steering people you disagree with to people you consider false teachers. Your methods are despicable, Jason. May God have mercy on your lost soul.
The Bible says Jesus is God. You choose not to believe it
As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject. But if it is ignored and dismissed as you do with the whole first chapter of John, there is not much hope of bringing you into the fold of Truth. You are not interested. You are too closed minded to accept that Jesus has many names and titles. May the Voice of Many Waters cleanse your stubbornly closed heart.
God explicitly states that He does not share His glory, and yet Jesus specifically asks to be restored to the glory He shared with God before the world was even created. I have given you a multitude of Scriptures over a period of time that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that the proper understanding embraces believing Jesus is God. I see you resorting again to your slandering people you do not like, even steering people you disagree with to people you consider false teachers. Your methods are despicable, Jason. May God have mercy on your lost soul.
As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject. But if it is ignored and dismissed as you do with the whole first chapter of John, there is not much hope of bringing you into the fold of Truth. You are not interested. You are too closed minded to accept that Jesus has many names and titles. May the Voice of Many Waters cleanse your stubbornly closed heart.
God explicitly states that He does not share His glory, and yet Jesus specifically asks to be restored to the glory He shared with God before the world was even created. I have given you a multitude of Scriptures over a period of time that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that the proper understanding embraces believing Jesus is God. I see you resorting again to your slandering people you do not like, even steering people you disagree with to people you consider false teachers. Your methods are despicable, Jason. May God have mercy on your lost soul.
Well denadii, the fact is that you do exist and if you do not like being confronted/challenged on what you say on these forums then cancel your account. The purpose of these formus is to discuss Biblical theology and to be not only accountable for what you say but to provide proof of what you say that is consistent with orthodox Biblical theology. I suggest you read 1 Peter 3:15. The other thing to remember is these forums serve to help one learn because it forces one to look up things to see if what a person is saying is true by the "plumb line" of the Bible, unless of course your lazy. I again suggest you read Acts 17:11.
Now, you also said were all little christs/gods and to prove it you quote Psalm 82:6. Tell me something, whath word of faith heretical teacher did you learn this from? Was kenneth copeland, creflo $ollar, benny hinn, kennth hagin, fred price of joyce meyer? Who?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now, you also said were all little christs/gods and to prove it you quote Psalm 82:6. Tell me something, whath word of faith heretical teacher did you learn this from? Was kenneth copeland, creflo $ollar, benny hinn, kennth hagin, fred price of joyce meyer? Who?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
1 Peter 3:15 (CJB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]but treat the Messiah as holy, as Lord in your hearts; while remaining always ready to give a reasoned answer to anyone who asks you to explain the hope you have in you — yet with humility and fear,
Acts 17:11 (CJB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now the people here were of nobler character than the ones in Thessalonica; they eagerly welcomed the message, checking the Tanakh every day to see if the things Sha’ul was saying were true.
As I've said my 'friend' I have no trouble with discussions, no trouble with disagreements. Only with fighting. But you don't know the difference. Look at the verse you quoted to me.
"Always ready to give a reasoned answer..." It seems that you don't ever give a reasoned answer, but only the one that pops into your thick little skull. Who are you listening to? Pride, arrogance, ignorance? Who?
In answer to your 'who' I remind you that you are in total disobedience to the Word by slamming specific names of specific people as false teachers/false prophets...The bible does NOT tell us to do that at all. Talk like that just makes you a hypocrite. That is not walking in Love or wisdom or anything else edifying, and it does not glorify the one you choose to call god...What Jesus do you serve anyway?
[/B]I see that the truth still offends you.
The Jews were offended because they understood that when Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30 that He was making Himself out to be God. They also understood that when Jesus said that God was His Father, He was making Himself equal with God. (John 5:18)
God the Father and God the Son are distinct in person, yet ONE GOD in essence/nature. Son of God = God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14). Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - (Amplified) For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].
It's your logic that is way off base. John 5:18 clearly states that by Jesus stating that God is His Father, He is making Himself equal with God. That's why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus. They were accusing Him of blasphemy. Also, don't confuse one "in unity or purpose" (John 17:21) with ONE in essence/nature (John 10:30). Jesus was not merely referring to being one in unity or purpose in John 10:30. We know this is true because when the Jews heard Jesus say, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30, they picked up stones and were going to stone Him to death for blasphemy. The Jews did not understand Jesus to be saying merely that He was one in unity or purpose with the Father here. They even considered themselves to be one in unity or purpose with the Father, which is not considered blasphemy. Rather, they clearly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God and HE IS GOD.
Again, you are confusing one in unity or purpose (John 17:21) with ONE in essence/nature (John 10:30). Of course we are not God or deities. God is His Father--makes Himself equal with God (John 5:18). When Jesus said, "the Father is greater than I" in John 14:28, He was speaking from His humanity. When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30, He was speaking from His Divinity. Don't forget. Jesus had two natures. He was fully man and fully God. Understanding this truth clears up your confusion.
The Jews were offended because they understood that when Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30 that He was making Himself out to be God. They also understood that when Jesus said that God was His Father, He was making Himself equal with God. (John 5:18)
God the Father and God the Son are distinct in person, yet ONE GOD in essence/nature. Son of God = God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14). Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - (Amplified) For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].
It's your logic that is way off base. John 5:18 clearly states that by Jesus stating that God is His Father, He is making Himself equal with God. That's why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus. They were accusing Him of blasphemy. Also, don't confuse one "in unity or purpose" (John 17:21) with ONE in essence/nature (John 10:30). Jesus was not merely referring to being one in unity or purpose in John 10:30. We know this is true because when the Jews heard Jesus say, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30, they picked up stones and were going to stone Him to death for blasphemy. The Jews did not understand Jesus to be saying merely that He was one in unity or purpose with the Father here. They even considered themselves to be one in unity or purpose with the Father, which is not considered blasphemy. Rather, they clearly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God and HE IS GOD.
Again, you are confusing one in unity or purpose (John 17:21) with ONE in essence/nature (John 10:30). Of course we are not God or deities. God is His Father--makes Himself equal with God (John 5:18). When Jesus said, "the Father is greater than I" in John 14:28, He was speaking from His humanity. When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30, He was speaking from His Divinity. Don't forget. Jesus had two natures. He was fully man and fully God. Understanding this truth clears up your confusion.
john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. <<< is He claiming equality or not speaking the truth according to you? or Is He saying " The Father ( God) is greater than I ( Jesus) ? who is it that is offended by the truth? i accepot that Jesus was sent to bear witness to the truth....do you?
john 18:37 "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
it seems kind of cut and dried but i undertand you need to argue what you think is right.......if i were you i would let the Gospel truth redefine my thinking, of course when you do that, then all the grace posse wont like you mush because you actually agree that Jesus Knew what He was talking about
theyll be seriously offended because they are wrong according to Jesus
its impossible to not argue with the "gog" warriors because they are arguing a false doctrine against the Word of God by ommiting most of it and defining a few verses to mean what they dont mean. if you notice they are coming from a point thinking " what i know is better if you listen to me and not Jesus you will really get it then"
its an echoe of " God saying " do not eat this deadly fruit, you will surely die"
and then the serpent insisting that God lied and just doesnt want you to be like Him go ahead and eat listen to me......
but they are following the one telling them they are in a war, fighting for grace so its more them being decieved by another than anything else. they are just believing the wrong one. when only One has the answers, Jesus the Christ, and Son of God
its an echoe of " God saying " do not eat this deadly fruit, you will surely die"
and then the serpent insisting that God lied and just doesnt want you to be like Him go ahead and eat listen to me......
but they are following the one telling them they are in a war, fighting for grace so its more them being decieved by another than anything else. they are just believing the wrong one. when only One has the answers, Jesus the Christ, and Son of God
i see that you ignore Jesus word still
john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. <<< is He claiming equality or not speaking the truth according to you? or Is He saying " The Father ( God) is greater than I ( Jesus) ? who is it that is offended by the truth? i accepot that Jesus was sent to bear witness to the truth....do you?
john 18:37 "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
it seems kind of cut and dried but i undertand you need to argue what you think is right.......if i were you i would let the Gospel truth redefine my thinking, of course when you do that, then all the grace posse wont like you mush because you actually agree that Jesus Knew what He was talking about theyll be seriously offended because they are wrong according to Jesus
john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. <<< is He claiming equality or not speaking the truth according to you? or Is He saying " The Father ( God) is greater than I ( Jesus) ? who is it that is offended by the truth? i accepot that Jesus was sent to bear witness to the truth....do you?
john 18:37 "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
it seems kind of cut and dried but i undertand you need to argue what you think is right.......if i were you i would let the Gospel truth redefine my thinking, of course when you do that, then all the grace posse wont like you mush because you actually agree that Jesus Knew what He was talking about
theyll be seriously offended because they are wrong according to JesusYou said. "Also, don't confuse one "in unity or purpose" (John 17:21) with ONE in essence/nature (John 10:30). Jesus was not merely referring to being one in unity or purpose in John 10:30."
Jesus was talking in both cases of The Father in Him and He in the Father. Where do you get off telling us that He was talking about two different things? There is nothing in the Word that says that. Do you know more than the Word? Really?
You summed it right up Magenta! The truth hurts, but Jason really needs to hear it. Jason continues to dismiss irrefutable Scriptural proof in regards to the Deity of Christ. Jesus was truly God manifest in the flesh (John 1:1, 14). Jason is thoroughly indoctrinated into his theological formula and is unable to see the truth because of his doctrinal blinders, which keeps him blinded from the truth and causes him to see and believe only what he wants to see and believe.
yeah im lost to that stuff Jesus said...about Him being the Only begotten Son of God, and His father ( God) being greater than He ( Gods Son) ill stick with the One God sent, His only begotten Son. and understand what He said about God being A spirit that Lived in His Son.
john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
it seems as though you guys simply think you understand things better than Jesus? the Only begotten Son of God, the One who came from God and alays honored God a His God. well...thats according to that jesus fell though so it may not resinate with the posse.
John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
cant imagine the One true and Only God, acknowledging He has a God and Father...but if God had a Son, i can see Him acknowledging His God and His Father...based on the fact that i believe Jesus, ill stick with what He said over the grace warriors lol
on the other hand since you all believe He is God...how is it that pauls words over rule His when it Comes to actually obeying the Gospel?
it seems as if the gog is always in a self contradicting place where oideas change back and forth according to what arguments are made to " prove" your own Thinking and explain what appleis and doesnt. the secret is to Believe What Jesus Christ, the Only begotten Son said of His own Kingdom. then you may find yourself severed from the grace morphin power rangers though, so i geuss since " free will " doesnt exist to you all, theres really no choice of who to believe....
I choose to Believe Jesus , or maybe God is holding me in a head lock forcing me to believe Jesus, either way ill stick With Jesus who always acknowledged God His Father, and always walked in Obedience to Him, who spoke what God His Father told Him to speak.
LOL See what I mean? Their reasoning is democrat. Its not logic, it's not honest its all made up fairy tales. FJ I am in total agreement with you. I really don't know why, or how someone can sit there, and tell God what He means when He says something. They want to change the Word to fit their garbled thinking.
Or you do?
This was spoken while He was on earth. He had taken a lower place and emptied Himself (Phil 2)
He is speaking the truth AT THETME'
But NOT 'than I the Son.'
questionable.
Yes, His Father was greater because He was in Heaven and Jesus on the earth.
Soooo?
,
My words to you exactly.
But they believe that God the Son is God. Only while He was on earth was the Father greater. But now He is restored to the Glory that was His before the world was (John 17.5)
This was spoken while He was on earth. He had taken a lower place and emptied Himself (Phil 2)
He is speaking the truth AT THETME'
But NOT 'than I the Son.'
questionable.
Yes, His Father was greater because He was in Heaven and Jesus on the earth.
Soooo?
,
My words to you exactly.
of course when you do that, then all the grace posse wont like you mush because you actually agree that Jesus Knew what He was talking about theyll be seriously offended because they are wrong according to Jesus
theyll be seriously offended because they are wrong according to Jesus
At that time there was a total war in the heavens...Satans army against the army of God. Adam and Eve were sequestered in the Garden. They didn't even know there was a war going on, but Satan came in,in the form of a serpent and tempted Eve, deceived her. The fallen ones are known as the gods. And they were kind of gods...You know many of them from mytology. Zeus, Hercules and the rest. There were others of course Ameruca the winged flying serpent, dragons and the giants at large. They knew of good and evil....God did not want Adam and Eve or the rest of us humans knowing that. He wanted us pure and holy like Him. Then Adam chose to eat, I think, just to keep is girlfriend, and also out of curiosity maybe. Then the knowledge was out, and Adam knew good and evil. Like the demonic gods. And there's the operative words.. "LIKE gods" Being like gods is not being gods.
Democrats! The Father Son and Holy Spirit are always equal...They hold different positions in areas of duties. The Father is the top level, Son, second level, and Holy Spirit, third level.... All are equal and have differing functions Thats what Jesus was talking about I believe. Jesus IS equal with the Father...Positionally the Father is over the Son... Just like you at home. All the members of your brood are equal. You as father are head, then your wife, then your kids. You are all equal in person but not in position. What's difficult to understand?
huh? lol it says what it says man.
God is not Jesus period. Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, sure His Father Lived in Him, His father also ( who is spirit) comes to live in us. according to Jesus that is anyways. never have i said Jesus was seperate from God, even in revelation its alwaus " the Lamb and God side by side" Jesus though never claimed to be God always acknowledged that He himself has a God, the same God that He says we Have the Only God. try to stick to what i say if you want to dispute it. Jesus said this
john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. <<< thats not a claim of equality to God its a direct statement that God is Greater than Jesus His Son.
Jesus said this
john 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
this is Jesus saying plainly that He Jesus has a God, His father as He said all along God is God, Jesus is His Son, who the spoirit of God dwelt in. Jesus promises His disciples that same Holy spirit will come to them and live in them.
Jesus makes the distinction continually
john 5:19 "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
The Son can do noithing of Himself, He does what God says. that makes a distinction by his own word not mine.
john 14: 10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
again same principle, unity with God, making the distinction I am not doing this, the Father living in Me is.
john 12:49 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
again I am not speaking of myself.....but the Father gave ne a commandment what to say and what to speak.
unity Yes, Jesus is the Father ...no
again
1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
again
acts 2:32-35 "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Jesus is what God says He is, an God is who Jesus says He is
Jesus is not God, He is the Son of God and God exalted Him to sit at His right hand in order to bring those who believe in Jesus the Christ and Lord, into the presence of God, into relationship with God
1 timothy 2:5 ".For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
same principle
God is God, His Son Jesus is Lord, and the unity they share is the Holy Ghost, which is the same unity giuven to us to make us one with Jesus and God the Father.
john 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
thats the Whole purpose of the Gospel to bring man back into unity with God. through Jesus Christ His christ and Son, we are made partakers of the same Unity Jesus has with God. that doesnt make jesus God, and it doesnt make any of Us God. God is Who He is, Jesus was Sent and later exalted to the throine in order to place Gods spirit in all the earth.
reveelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
same thing peter is saying in acts 2 when Jesus sat down at the right hand of God, he received and sent forth Gods spirit. fulfilling the promise peter begins that chapter with. " the shedding forth of Gods spirirt on all people"
im not even sure what you are thinking im saying. Jesus made the distinction always between Himself and God.
as the fiurst few verses Here are really clear. does God Have God? does He have a Father? does He say " My Father ois greater than I ? Jesus said those things. because His unity with God was Because God was His Father and Jesus had Gods spirit living in Him, just like it says we have Gods spirit living in us. were unified in the same way Jesus was with God.
thats why peter and paul both raised the dead, it wasnt them doing itm, But the spirit of God living in them doing those things because they believed in Jesus name.
I did get out my dictionary boy! Fighting: the action of fighting; violence, conflict, action, combat. displaying or engaging in violence, combat, or aggression. Discussion: The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. A conversation or DEBATE about a certain topic.
Must I spoon feed you denadii and your telling me I need a dictionary? And yes, I will always expose people like those liars and heretics in word of faith. I've dealing with these wolves since the late 1970's until present day. I will always call them out just like I'm calling you out unless they repent.
Now, can you explain to me why the Apostle Paul named names at 2 Timothy 2:16-18? Hymenaeus and Philetus (according to vs18) upset the faith of some because they claimed the resurrection had already taken place. What do you Paul would have done with these blasphemous wof heretics who claimed Jesus took on the nature of Satan and was born again in hell after Satan and his demons tortured Jesus Christ in hell?
Why are you protecting these wolves in sheeps clothing denadii? And why did Jesus who is love incarnate tell the Jews the following at Matthew 23:27-35? Here, let me highlight some of His love comments. "Woe to you scribies and Pharisees, hypocrites with dead mens bones on the inside. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you excape the sentence of hell. Is Jesus being loving and edifying? Actually He is because love tells the truth. In fact look at what Jesus says at vs37, "O jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers here chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE UNWILLING."
Do you know what the four most lethal words are in the Bible? Just read Matthew 7:15-23 where Jesus identifies false prophets like these wof false teachers. At vs23 Jesus says, " I never knew you." Do you want Him to say that to you? I surely pray not. So wake up out your slumber and get with the program and take things serious because this is no game. And yes I know your going to say, "I know it's not a game" but thats how you acting in my opinion.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Must I spoon feed you denadii and your telling me I need a dictionary? And yes, I will always expose people like those liars and heretics in word of faith. I've dealing with these wolves since the late 1970's until present day. I will always call them out just like I'm calling you out unless they repent.
Now, can you explain to me why the Apostle Paul named names at 2 Timothy 2:16-18? Hymenaeus and Philetus (according to vs18) upset the faith of some because they claimed the resurrection had already taken place. What do you Paul would have done with these blasphemous wof heretics who claimed Jesus took on the nature of Satan and was born again in hell after Satan and his demons tortured Jesus Christ in hell?
Why are you protecting these wolves in sheeps clothing denadii? And why did Jesus who is love incarnate tell the Jews the following at Matthew 23:27-35? Here, let me highlight some of His love comments. "Woe to you scribies and Pharisees, hypocrites with dead mens bones on the inside. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you excape the sentence of hell. Is Jesus being loving and edifying? Actually He is because love tells the truth. In fact look at what Jesus says at vs37, "O jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers here chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE UNWILLING."
Do you know what the four most lethal words are in the Bible? Just read Matthew 7:15-23 where Jesus identifies false prophets like these wof false teachers. At vs23 Jesus says, " I never knew you." Do you want Him to say that to you? I surely pray not. So wake up out your slumber and get with the program and take things serious because this is no game. And yes I know your going to say, "I know it's not a game" but thats how you acting in my opinion.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I did get out my dictionary boy! Fighting: the action of fighting; violence, conflict, action, combat. displaying or engaging in violence, combat, or aggression. Discussion: The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. A conversation or DEBATE about a certain topic.
Must I spoon feed you denadii and your telling me I need a dictionary? And yes, I will always expose people like those liars and heretics in word of faith. I've dealing with these wolves since the late 1970's until present day. I will always call them out just like I'm calling you out unless they repent.
Now, can you explain to me why the Apostle Paul named names at 2 Timothy 2:16-18? Hymenaeus and Philetus (according to vs18) upset the faith of some because they claimed the resurrection had already taken place. What do you Paul would have done with these blasphemous wof heretics who claimed Jesus took on the nature of Satan and was born again in hell after Satan and his demons tortured Jesus Christ in hell?
Why are you protecting these wolves in sheeps clothing denadii? And why did Jesus who is love incarnate tell the Jews the following at Matthew 23:27-35? Here, let me highlight some of His love comments. "Woe to you scribies and Pharisees, hypocrites with dead mens bones on the inside. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you excape the sentence of hell. Is Jesus being loving and edifying? Actually He is because love tells the truth. In fact look at what Jesus says at vs37, "O jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers here chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE UNWILLING."
Do you know what the four most lethal words are in the Bible? Just read Matthew 7:15-23 where Jesus identifies false prophets like these wof false teachers. At vs23 Jesus says, " I never knew you." Do you want Him to say that to you? I surely pray not. So wake up out your slumber and get with the program and take things serious because this is no game. And yes I know your going to say, "I know it's not a game" but thats how you acting in my opinion.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Must I spoon feed you denadii and your telling me I need a dictionary? And yes, I will always expose people like those liars and heretics in word of faith. I've dealing with these wolves since the late 1970's until present day. I will always call them out just like I'm calling you out unless they repent.
Now, can you explain to me why the Apostle Paul named names at 2 Timothy 2:16-18? Hymenaeus and Philetus (according to vs18) upset the faith of some because they claimed the resurrection had already taken place. What do you Paul would have done with these blasphemous wof heretics who claimed Jesus took on the nature of Satan and was born again in hell after Satan and his demons tortured Jesus Christ in hell?
Why are you protecting these wolves in sheeps clothing denadii? And why did Jesus who is love incarnate tell the Jews the following at Matthew 23:27-35? Here, let me highlight some of His love comments. "Woe to you scribies and Pharisees, hypocrites with dead mens bones on the inside. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you excape the sentence of hell. Is Jesus being loving and edifying? Actually He is because love tells the truth. In fact look at what Jesus says at vs37, "O jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers here chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE UNWILLING."
Do you know what the four most lethal words are in the Bible? Just read Matthew 7:15-23 where Jesus identifies false prophets like these wof false teachers. At vs23 Jesus says, " I never knew you." Do you want Him to say that to you? I surely pray not. So wake up out your slumber and get with the program and take things serious because this is no game. And yes I know your going to say, "I know it's not a game" but thats how you acting in my opinion.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
As I've pointed out to you before, Sir, The apostle Paul was acting under the leading of the Holy Spirit when he named names. You are not. So I'll ask you....Who appointed YOU judge? Who told YOU to name names? Who told you that these men are wrong, and you are so so right? Why would God, in the Word, tell us how to handle false teaching one way, while telling YOU to handle it differently? Who told YOU that you are so much holier than them? I'm not protecting anybody. I'm telling you that you are walking in total disobedience to the Word. Get it together man! If you're going to preach it, then you must live it!
how is it that Jesus said that The Father is greater than I? is that Jesus saying im equal to God? or is it really not deniable that He sais " my Father is Greater than I? the reason I believe the way i do, is because Jesus made very clear the truth , that He is Gods Only Son, and that He has a God who id Our God and Father. His words will never change
john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. <<< how is this a claim " I am equal to God?
He infact always expresed His submission to God
John 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
always Jesus walked in submission to God the Father, and teaches His disciples to do the same. im sorry to disagree woith you guys, but God doesnt need to do anything to please God. Jesus says clearly and reopeatedly " I can do nothing of myself, i do only what God tells me to do. that is a statement of submission, a statement that makes clear " the Father is greater than I am" and it is the very reason Jesus was exalted to the throne, because He did Gods will even though it took Him to calvary and Hung Him on the cross.
philippians 2:8-11 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, .....to the glory of God the Father.
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Jesus was the image of God as man was originally made in the garden of eden, until the fall of man, Jesus then Came to restore mans image being made in the likeness and form of God. thats where the issue of misdunderstanding about Jesus is.adam and eve gave that image away through disobedience...Jesus was made like God also but He obeyed Gods word to the death rather than disobey and bring death, He obeyed and brought Life. Jesus is the " firstborn over all creation made in the image of God and offers that to us
colossians 1:15-Who is the image of the invisible God,( genesis 1:27) the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him ( the son) to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
or in other words Jesus is the Son of God, and we are made in His image making us children of God as well
2 corinthians 3:8 "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
colossians 3:9-10 "Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
v 17...And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
noitice we give thanks to God, by the name of Jesus because Gods Son is what the gospel is all about.
john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. <<< how is this a claim " I am equal to God?
He infact always expresed His submission to God
John 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
always Jesus walked in submission to God the Father, and teaches His disciples to do the same. im sorry to disagree woith you guys, but God doesnt need to do anything to please God. Jesus says clearly and reopeatedly " I can do nothing of myself, i do only what God tells me to do. that is a statement of submission, a statement that makes clear " the Father is greater than I am" and it is the very reason Jesus was exalted to the throne, because He did Gods will even though it took Him to calvary and Hung Him on the cross.
philippians 2:8-11 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, .....to the glory of God the Father.
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Jesus was the image of God as man was originally made in the garden of eden, until the fall of man, Jesus then Came to restore mans image being made in the likeness and form of God. thats where the issue of misdunderstanding about Jesus is.adam and eve gave that image away through disobedience...Jesus was made like God also but He obeyed Gods word to the death rather than disobey and bring death, He obeyed and brought Life. Jesus is the " firstborn over all creation made in the image of God and offers that to us
colossians 1:15-Who is the image of the invisible God,( genesis 1:27) the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him ( the son) to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
or in other words Jesus is the Son of God, and we are made in His image making us children of God as well
2 corinthians 3:8 "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
colossians 3:9-10 "Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 10And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
v 17...And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
noitice we give thanks to God, by the name of Jesus because Gods Son is what the gospel is all about.