Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[followjesus]

Really! They sound like democrats. Not saying that they are democrats though LOL

lol naw im not a democrat for sure haha


its Just the word and its design, God never meant for the scrioture to drive believers apart, its our poride that we know better that does it, if we accept this below and Love one another were aon a better path

2 timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:i dont think these days i really am democrat or republican. i see politics as more of a reality show like " real world d.c."

 

[graceNpeace]

Sir I would rather be called unteachable that to sit under your tutelage with all the junk you teach...You may call me anything you want...come to think of it, you already have. All I want from you is to keep pretending that I don't exist.
I don't want your fighting either. If you can't share something worth listening to...then you would be wasting peoples time.

In other words anything you don't agree with...

Well, sad for you, I will not be disappearing into the sunset anytime soon.
As long as you promote non-Christian and unbiblical doctrine expect me to counter you.
And I won't be alone...

 

[Denadii]

In other words anything you don't agree with...

Well, sad for you, I will not be disappearing into the sunset anytime soon.
As long as you promote non-Christian and unbiblical doctrine expect me to counter you.
And I won't be alone...

I mean anything that you spit out that does not agree with the Word...It seems to be most of what you say. Your bigotry does not agree with the Word

 

[graceNpeace]

I mean anything that you spit out that does not agree with the Word...It seems to be most of what you say. Your bigotry does not agree with the Word

Look, you butted into a conversation, all by yourself.
You accused me of speaking nonsense - no evidence supplied.
Since then your only approach has been ad hominem attacks such as accusing me of bigotry, as in the last post.

I know that you do not like me - that is obvious.
I know that you want me to leave you alone - that is obvious.
However, you are posting on a public forum that is supposed to stand for Christianity - Bible-believing Christianity!
It has a far wider audience than merely its members and so what you try and preach is widely read (no doubt why you came), but, when you push doctrine that is not Biblical and not Christian, or it smells that way, then expect to attract attention, and then opposition, if it becomes clear that it is not Christian.

There is a lot of stuff posted here that is well wide of the mark, but I ignore it.
I concentrate only on those aspects that are central to Christianity like the deity of Christ and the significance of the cross, and errors in other doctrines that threaten this.

If this makes me a bigot in your eyes - so be it!
Just know that I am not going away.

 

[followjesus]

Unbelievably false!

Jesus Christ is not only one with God, He is God!

In NO WAY does that elevate any Christian believer to the status of God.
Yes, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but no, that DOES NOT make us God in any way, shape, or form!

A Christian is a Christian, because they believe that the death that Jesus Christ died on the cross, and the blood that He shed, was a propitiation for sin. If Jesus Christ was not God then He was just a man and therefore not sinless. As such, He could not have been the propitiation for our sin.
Furthermore we DO NOT follow Jesus Christ to become a Christian, we follow Jesus Christ BECAUSE we are Christians.

Denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, denies the cross, and what Jesus Christ achieved on the cross.
What Jesus Christ did on the cross, and vindicated by His resurrection, is the centrality of Christianity.
Remove that, and Jesus just becomes another Messianic pretender who died a grisly and pathetic death for nothing!

Your heretical philosophy (cannot dignify this by calling it a theology) denies the divinity of Jesus Christ and so excludes you utterly and completely from the Christian fold.

"Jesus Christ is not only one with God, He is God!"

strange Gods Word must be wrong and you must be right.....na i think ill stay with Jesus the Son of God. whos Father is the One true God. pretty clear in the Bible, but it is a bible discussion forum and not an opinion factory.

"In NO WAY does that elevate any Christian believer to the status of God.
Yes, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but no, that DOES NOT make us God in any way, shape, or form!"

yeah thats my point, God is a spirit Jesus said that when you are apparently sating Jesus was God, yet He is saying God is a spirit, and He is saying " IT IS NOT ME WHO IS DOING THESE THINGS, IT IS THE FATHER LIVING IN ME"

thats exactly my point, it doesnt make Him God because Gods spirit was living in Him. it makes Him the Son of God, Just like it makes us the Sons of God who receive the Holy spirit. all because Jesus the son of God, was sent By God to be our savior and Lord. you never did share that scripture about " Jesus is God" smms like you are more of an " i think this " kind of person.

"A Christian is a Christian, because they believe that the death that Jesus Christ died on the cross, and the blood that He shed, was a propitiation for sin. If Jesus Christ was not God then He was just a man and therefore not sinless. As such, He could not have been the propitiation for our sin.
Furthermore we DO NOT follow Jesus Christ to become a Christian, we follow Jesus Christ BECAUSE we are Christians."

jut as backwards as everything else you have said. Jesus was sinless thats the Whole point of God sending His SON made of a woman lol to redeem those born of flesh and Blood. it seems wuite pointless talking with you you have no Biblical interest, your one opf those gog folks who has been confused into thinking the Bible was given by paul ellis and Joseph prince so why bother actually learning scripture.

yeah biens a disciple of Jesus Christ is the very definition of christian. youve been hornswagled my friend. open up the gospel you will find it in matthew, mark Luke and john. first off accept John 3:16 and then youll be headed in the right direction, but of Course you would have to accept that God has a Son, that He sent into the World to save mankind from sin and death. through His word, and then also His death, resurrection and ascention where He was seated at the right Hand of His father, God. <<< without that acceptance theres no such thing as " christian"

 

[followjesus]

In other words anything you don't agree with...

Well, sad for you, I will not be disappearing into the sunset anytime soon.
As long as you promote non-Christian and unbiblical doctrine expect me to counter you.
And I won't be alone...

As long as you promote non-Christian and unbiblical doctrine expect me to counter you.
And I won't be alone...

do you understand that the term " biblical" means what is written in the Bible?

Galatians 4:4-6 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


thats a reference to all the scripture throughout the Bible saying " God sent His only begotten Son into the world that whoso ever believes in Him shall have everlasting Life"

you should start looking into the Bible itself, to understand what biblical is.

1 timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, .....and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


understand what a mediator is? its the One who is between two parties that Have been seperated. that is Who Jesus is Gods Son, promised all through Scripture. very basic stuff, but you wont find it in books, you have to go to the Bible yourself.

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

the semi colon should clear up your misunderstanding. God is the Father Jesus is always Claiming to Have Living in Him, He is spirit. Jesus is His Only begotten Son, He is the Lord and Christ, God has promised this all through the old testament, when He arrives, then you have the new testament.

 

[followjesus]

I mean anything that you spit out that does not agree with the Word...It seems to be most of what you say. Your bigotry does not agree with the Word

o guarantee this person is a student of Joseph prince and possibly paul ellis. its always amazing How opposite from scripture thier ideas are, it seems odd, but then i took the time to read thier teachings.....now im not suprised at all. it eliminates the gospel, calls Grace " unwarranted favor" the gospel, the new covenant, the doctrine of Christ, it taches them God doesnt Know when you sin because Jesus blood hides it from him, it teaches them to never feel guilty even when you have sinned, just dont acknowlwdge your own sin. its just amazing how the g.o.g. teaches and millions of people flock to the conditionless " Just say i believe " doctrine.

only 29.95 and you could learn how the bible doesnt apply, only what these folks read in the revolution of grace scriptures. ive learned over a years now, that you can show 100 scriptures repeating the same thing from Jesus, paul, peter, old testament, Gods Own voice speaking from Heaven. and it doesnt affect thier thinking in any way they will hold to what the current book they are reading says. its quite baffeling to myself and others Who choose to believe the scripture and context of it.

ultimately its not funny, but some of the responses are comical really. they believe they are fighting a " war on grace" because the Boible says to obey Gods commandments thats an attack on the gog because well grace doesnt mean what the bible says it does. strange teachings indeed

 

[graceNpeace]

o guarantee this person is a student of Joseph prince and possibly paul ellis.

So you stoop to attack me in this way, would you...

Your "guarantee" is false.
I have heard of Joseph Prince (the name) but I have no idea of what he teaches and what his theological positions are.
As for Paul Ellis, I would not know who he was if I fell over him, never even heard of anyone with this name in Christian circles.

Attacking me personally will not help you deal with the problems in your theology!
Also, you speak as if I am some kind of "lone wolf" out to persecute you, and you alone.
However, at least a dozen names spring to mind just in the last 48 hours who are warning you and trying to correct your false doctrine.
I am not speaking in a vacuum here.

If you continue to put up threads that destroy the essentials of Christianity, expect resistance. Remember, you started both this thread and the one about the finished work of the cross both of which state heretical positions.
You clearly did not put them up as a question but rather as a statement hoping to convince others of your false position.
This on a forum that you know holds to orthodox Christianity.
What did you expect - applause?

 

[beta]

i also wish the ones who are here for the purpose of argument would skip my ops it always leads to accusation, twisting of words, and then a small group gathers together with nooses and torches like in the old west lynchings lol it doesnt bother me anymore but it just ruins the scriptures set forth and derails the topic every time makes it hard for the people discussing, or trying to figure out what the bible actually does say, because to some what they say or think trumps the clarity of the scripture....thats a foolish idea we must overcome in order to ever learn anything

Yes, it means ''dying to self'' !

 

[followjesus]

So you stoop to attack me in this way, would you...

Your "guarantee" is false.
I have heard of Joseph Prince (the name) but I have no idea of what he teaches and what his theological positions are.
As for Paul Ellis, I would not know who he was if I fell over him, never even heard of anyone with this name in Christian circles.

Attacking me personally will not help you deal with the problems in your theology!
Also, you speak as if I am some kind of "lone wolf" out to persecute you, and you alone.
However, at least a dozen names spring to mind just in the last 48 hours who are warning you and trying to correct your false doctrine.
I am not speaking in a vacuum here.

If you continue to put up threads that destroy the essentials of Christianity, expect resistance. Remember, you started both this thread and the one about the finished work of the cross both of which state heretical positions.
You clearly did not put them up as a question but rather as a statement hoping to convince others of your false position.
This on a forum that you know holds to orthodox Christianity.
What did you expect - applause?

you consider that an attack? well listen, i can see yu and i have 2 different Faiths and its nothing but an argument, so i would advise you to spend your time here looking for the threads that are helpful to you, there are alot of threads Here that agree with the views you have expressed, and yu probably shouild look into joseph prince hes right up your alley, either way your doctrine agrees with His. maybe you taught him or one of His followers taught you, im not sure but one way or the other you are in line woth him 100 percent.

 

[followjesus]

Yes, it means ''dying to self'' !

yeah its really hard to maintain when the gog folks show up explaining why nothing is really what it says it is in scripture, i wish they would make a gospel of grace forum so those who accept scripture could discuss scripture. its amazing how this place has the continual argument of the same 3 topics. i know folkks who have left here because no one exhibits self control and stays in the threads where there is some agreement.

 

[graceNpeace]

you consider that an attack? well listen, i can see yu and i have 2 different Faiths and its nothing but an argument, so i would advise you to spend your time here looking for the threads that are helpful to you, there are alot of threads Here that agree with the views you have expressed, and yu probably shouild look into joseph prince hes right up your alley, either way your doctrine agrees with His. maybe you taught him or one of His followers taught you, im not sure but one way or the other you are in line woth him 100 percent.

I don't need to look for threads that "help me" - whatever they are.
I am not here to have my ears tickled or my ego soothed, or whatever.

You have a faith definitely, just based on a false understanding of Scripture.
Remember, you are the one starting new threads trying to peddle lies and misunderstanding.
And also remember that you have insulted and attacked a lot of people who have tried to help you to understand the truth.

I fully get that you have constructed a wonky theology of works, it is just that the New Covenant has nothing to do with salvation by works.

 

[miknik5]

Paul was being sarcastic

to us and to paul
there is only ONE GOD

no hes not beong sarcastic lol, hes talking about gods, false gods are all through the earth and heavens look at that psalm again. and then read pauls reference.

remember God through the old testament became enraged because isreal continually went to serve other gods.

realize there is a difference between god, and GOD. Tjere is One God. but look what God says when adam eats the fruit " they have become as gods" ..... there is One true God, the Father, and One Lord and Christ His Son Jesus paul is saying to Christians there is One God, and there is One Lord. but He is acknowledging that there are many gods and many lords whether in heaven or earth.

" God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods."

hes talking about isreal who received the word of God

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.


this is what Jesus was referencing.....

us there is only ONE GOD
Even if there are "so-called gods" in this world


some do not know as they should know

Paul's letter to the church at Corinth had to do with eating meat which had (in the past and prior to being brought into INE BIDY a NEW CREATION in CHRIST) which had been sacrificed to idols

Paul goes on further to say that idols are NOTHING
but that not all have knowledge and so those who are stronger are supposed to serve the weaker conscience of the weak brother (in the BODY) by not doing what would be offensive to rhem


even though we know there are no other gods but GOD

So if it is known that meat was sacrificed to a past idol (in their ignorance when they worshipped in ignorance pagan practices and false spirits) the stronger sheep will not eat because of the weaker sheep's conscience

not because there are other gods, but for the wellbeing of the state of his weaker brothers conscience


no

there are not many gods

BUT ONE


1 Corinthians 8

 

[miknik5]

Paul was being sarcastic

to us and to paul
there is only ONE GOD

lol naw im not a democrat for sure haha


its Just the word and its design, God never meant for the scrioture to drive believers apart, its our poride that we know better that does it, if we accept this below and Love one another were aon a better path

2 timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:i dont think these days i really am democrat or republican. i see politics as more of a reality show like " real world d.c."

We can't accept every spirit

 

[mailmandan]

the Son of God. Why are you offended by the fact that Jesus is equal with God the Father and that Jesus is God?

I see that the truth still offends you.

you are basing this on what the inbelieving jews said. it is they who believed The statement I am Gods Son was claiming equality with God, Jesus never did that. they were offended of the statements Jesus made about being His Son. God made man from the beginning in Hois own image and Likeness man. ( genesis 1:27) adam Gave that away and then all were made in His fallen image ( genesis 5:3) Jesus whole purpose was to redeem us from that mortal image of man, and make us again in the image of God.

The Jews were offended because they understood that when Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30 that He was making Himself out to be God. They also understood that when Jesus said that God was His Father, He was making Himself equal with God. (John 5:18)

Jesus was In Gods image, that doesnt translate to Him bieng the Father. thats why Jesus wasnt going around saying " Im God" rather His claim was " I am the Son of God" if the bible says that through Faith in Jesus Christ His Only begotten Son, makes us children of God. does that then make us dieties as well? because Gods spirit Lives in us again through Jesus? no it doesnt make us dieties, and where are you guys getting the ideas from where are those scriptures?

God the Father and God the Son are distinct in person, yet ONE GOD in essence/nature. Son of God = God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14). Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9 - (Amplified) For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God].

the Jews in john 5:18 their motivation for wanting to Kill Jesus, is they were interpreting Him saying " Im God" kind of like you are. Gods spirit was in Jesus thats why he is saying " I am one with the Father" and He also explains that Gods spirit comes to Live in Us who believe in Jesus the Son of God repeatedly. your logice is way off base. there is One God, and One Lord and Christ. yeah they are One, as are all who put thier faith In Jesus the Son of God.

It's your logic that is way off base. John 5:18 clearly states that by Jesus stating that God is His Father, He is making Himself equal with God. That's why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus. They were accusing Him of blasphemy. Also, don't confuse one "in unity or purpose" (John 17:21) with ONE in essence/nature (John 10:30). Jesus was not merely referring to being one in unity or purpose in John 10:30. We know this is true because when the Jews heard Jesus say, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30, they picked up stones and were going to stone Him to death for blasphemy. The Jews did not understand Jesus to be saying merely that He was one in unity or purpose with the Father here. They even considered themselves to be one in unity or purpose with the Father, which is not considered blasphemy. Rather, they clearly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God and HE IS GOD.

1 john 4:15 "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God

does Being one with God who is spirit living in us, does that then make us God as well? or make us dieties ? of course it doesnt. Jesus didnt claim equality with God He expressly says " the Father is greater than I " <<<is that a claim of Im equal to God? or did the jews Just not get it, so they crudified Him for saying " I am Gods Son ?

Again, you are confusing one in unity or purpose (John 17:21) with ONE in essence/nature (John 10:30). Of course we are not God or deities. God is His Father--makes Himself equal with God (John 5:18). When Jesus said, "the Father is greater than I" in John 14:28, He was speaking from His humanity. When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30, He was speaking from His Divinity. Don't forget. Jesus had two natures. He was fully man and fully God. Understanding this truth clears up your confusion.

 

[miknik5]

"Jesus Christ is not only one with God, He is God!"

strange Gods Word must be wrong and you must be right.....na i think ill stay with Jesus the Son of God. whos Father is the One true God. pretty clear in the Bible, but it is a bible discussion forum and not an opinion factory.

"In NO WAY does that elevate any Christian believer to the status of God.
Yes, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but no, that DOES NOT make us God in any way, shape, or form!"

yeah thats my point, God is a spirit Jesus said that when you are apparently sating Jesus was God, yet He is saying God is a spirit, and He is saying " IT IS NOT ME WHO IS DOING THESE THINGS, IT IS THE FATHER LIVING IN ME"

thats exactly my point, it doesnt make Him God because Gods spirit was living in Him. it makes Him the Son of God, Just like it makes us the Sons of God who receive the Holy spirit. all because Jesus the son of God, was sent By God to be our savior and Lord. you never did share that scripture about " Jesus is God" smms like you are more of an " i think this " kind of person.

"A Christian is a Christian, because they believe that the death that Jesus Christ died on the cross, and the blood that He shed, was a propitiation for sin. If Jesus Christ was not God then He was just a man and therefore not sinless. As such, He could not have been the propitiation for our sin.
Furthermore we DO NOT follow Jesus Christ to become a Christian, we follow Jesus Christ BECAUSE we are Christians."

jut as backwards as everything else you have said. Jesus was sinless thats the Whole point of God sending His SON made of a woman lol to redeem those born of flesh and Blood. it seems wuite pointless talking with you you have no Biblical interest, your one opf those gog folks who has been confused into thinking the Bible was given by paul ellis and Joseph prince so why bother actually learning scripture.

yeah biens a disciple of Jesus Christ is the very definition of christian. youve been hornswagled my friend. open up the gospel you will find it in matthew, mark Luke and john. first off accept John 3:16 and then youll be headed in the right direction, but of Course you would have to accept that God has a Son, that He sent into the World to save mankind from sin and death. through His word, and then also His death, resurrection and ascention where He was seated at the right Hand of His father, God. <<< without that acceptance theres no such thing as " christian"

Oh boy!

do you know and see your error?
you have exalted man
and in the process of giving more honor to men (as if they can sanctify themselves and by this, by their own toil, gain for themselves the reward of ETERNAL LIFE) you have taken away the honor which should be given CHRIST..,the ONE who washes and makes men holy because HE came forth from
GOD, THE LIKENESS OF THE FATHER

Something we aren't and never were


You talk about Adam as being a little god before the fall

please provide the WORD sir where THE SCRIPTURE even suggested that GOD created "little gods"


now i understand what is going on

 

[miknik5]

The lie:

you will be as god


nope

we will not be as god

 

[Grace777x70]

We can "replace the grace of Christ" by "doing" the sayings of Jesus by our selves. This is a form of works-based righteousness. This religion is no different then any other good moral living religion of the world.

The truth is - as we rely on what Christ has already done - that our sins are forgiven - we are secure in Him - we will walk out His life in and through us. He is the Vine - we are the branches. The branch does not produce or manufacture the life of the Vine - it manifest the life of the Vine by bearing His fruit.

What Jesus was giving in the gospels was a "description" of what the true Christian life looks like when He is manifesting His life in and through us. Works-based believers have taken this to try to "duplicate His sayings" and thus it is really perverting the gospel to create a man-made religion.

The religion of Christianity does the complete opposite and tries to "dictate" the fruit of the Spirit by what they do or don't do instead of relying on Christ Himself. They have replaced Christ for their carnal keeping of the "sayings of Jesus".

Jesus is God in the flesh. He is the Son of God and the Son of Man. He is our representative now as the last Adam.

 

[miknik5]

As long as you promote non-Christian and unbiblical doctrine expect me to counter you.
And I won't be alone...

do you understand that the term " biblical" means what is written in the Bible?

Galatians 4:4-6 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


thats a reference to all the scripture throughout the Bible saying " God sent His only begotten Son into the world that whoso ever believes in Him shall have everlasting Life"

you should start looking into the Bible itself, to understand what biblical is.

1 timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, .....and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


understand what a mediator is? its the One who is between two parties that Have been seperated. that is Who Jesus is Gods Son, promised all through Scripture. very basic stuff, but you wont find it in books, you have to go to the Bible yourself.

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

the semi colon should clear up your misunderstanding. God is the Father Jesus is always Claiming to Have Living in Him, He is spirit. Jesus is His Only begotten Son, He is the Lord and Christ, God has promised this all through the old testament, when He arrives, then you have the new testament.

Is it biblical to say that Adam was a "little god"?

 

[miknik5]

right, Jesus was speaking Gods Words and those are the words that Give Life. the scripture Jesus is refering to there when He says " scripture calls them gods to whom the word of God came is psalm 82

psalms 82 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

you see what i meant now the other day when I said mankind are fallen " gods" thats what i was saying adam was created in Gods Image, he was an eternal bieng until He ate tthe fruit and fell from Gods image in the Garden and lost His right to the tree of Life. Jesus is the One God sent to redeem us from that curse the curse placed upon adam of mortality. in the end of revelation Jesus says this

revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

its a redemption of mankind from what adam did in genesis

Genesis 3:22-24 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


Original man was a god little g, because man was made in Gods image and likeness gen 1:22 adam fell from that when He sinned and thats what the redemption is accomplishing returning us to immortality through Jesus, where as adam brought us death, Jesus brings us eternal Life.

paul refers to " many lords and many gods in corinthians speaking of those either in Heaven or on earth. ( gods and lords) But there is One God the Father who is spirit, and there is One Lord and Christ who is the Son..

Please supply the biblical account of the creation of man and show where GOD created "little gods"


if HE had, there would have been no need for the Tree of Life to be in the garden to begin with