Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide
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Yep, followjesus definitely has some strange beliefs:
He does deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ (this thread); and because of that
The cross is complete foolishness to him (penultimate thread)!
His theology can be summed up as following and obeying the words of Jesus (the red letters) - works theology.
More detail:
He has figured out that somehow what Jesus achieved was to nullify(incorrect obviously since Jesus fulfilled it) the requirements of the Mosaic Covenant and in his theology we now just follow the red letters of Jesus as recorded in Matthew, Mark Luke, and John.
In other words replace one set of rules with a new set of rules!
More detail:
In followjesus' theology the reason Jesus had to die on the cross and shed His blood was in order to "seal" His word and make it "binding."
Obviously, if he understood the Divinity of Jesus Christ, then He would realise that Jesus words do NOT need "self-sealing" (this sounds like something one goes to the hardware store to find!). They stand!
The person, divinity, and work of Jesus Christ he currently denies all the Biblical truths here.
That is the reason why he denies the essential ruth of the cross and the absolutely central position of the cross in what it means to be Christian!
We should pray for him, that the Holy Spirit would illuminate both his spirit and his mind!
He does deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ (this thread); and because of that
The cross is complete foolishness to him (penultimate thread)!
His theology can be summed up as following and obeying the words of Jesus (the red letters) - works theology.
More detail:
He has figured out that somehow what Jesus achieved was to nullify(incorrect obviously since Jesus fulfilled it) the requirements of the Mosaic Covenant and in his theology we now just follow the red letters of Jesus as recorded in Matthew, Mark Luke, and John.
In other words replace one set of rules with a new set of rules!
More detail:
In followjesus' theology the reason Jesus had to die on the cross and shed His blood was in order to "seal" His word and make it "binding."
Obviously, if he understood the Divinity of Jesus Christ, then He would realise that Jesus words do NOT need "self-sealing" (this sounds like something one goes to the hardware store to find!). They stand!
The person, divinity, and work of Jesus Christ he currently denies all the Biblical truths here.
That is the reason why he denies the essential ruth of the cross and the absolutely central position of the cross in what it means to be Christian!
We should pray for him, that the Holy Spirit would illuminate both his spirit and his mind!
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I just got back Monday...hahah took me 4 days to get over jet lag and AU time HAHAAHA
Yes..of course He did.
John 17:22-24 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
While I can't say that I am aware of 'followjesus' saying that but even if he does my answer would still be no, not really, 'followjesus' seems sincere in the truth of his beliefs. Thus, he is justified by faith.
But if he does, there is plenty of scripture that would support that belief.
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Matt 1:20
However, the following was written of him who was born of a barren woman;
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
But in regards to the references of his birth (the start of life as a physically separate being.)
But if he does, there is plenty of scripture that would support that belief.
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Matt 1:20
However, the following was written of him who was born of a barren woman;
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
But in regards to the references of his birth (the start of life as a physically separate being.)
- Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Matthew 2:1
- For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11
- Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.John 18:37
even thought lol all the scripture of God saying " this is my son" and the apostles saying :" Jesus is the Son of God" and Jesus saying " yes I am the son of God" and then John saying this ? how is agreeing with allllllllll a alllllll the scripture not clear and full of error?
John who walked and talked with Jesus
1 john 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
is john somehow in error?
and then of course this seems pretty true to me
1 john 5:9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; .....because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
maybe im not getting it but to me, isnt John saying " this is the witness, of God? and the record He gave of His Son? seems pretty simple really, i dont see the error. or maybe
mark 9:2-7 " There He was transfigured before them.And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
isnt that Gods voice saying that about Jesus?
maybe it wasnt and Jesus the Son was throwing His voice? or is peter saying what im saying?
2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount
i think maybe im not so much the one in error???
seems to me like maybe possibly people might consider all the scripture saying clearly who Jesus is? rather than using interpretation to figure out who they think Jesus is. im not sure though but is there anything such as God daying " Jesus is God? or the apostles saying " Jesus is God " im not sure ive seen those. it seems Like the holy spirit might have the answer?
romans 1:4 "And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"
it seems i must be confused believing the testimony of God the Father, Jesus, the holy spirit, John, peter, Paul. and the other clear references by various other scripture? and maybe need to believe what people are explaining and Get away from the whole God sent His only begotten Son into the World that whoever Believes in Him, has everlasting Life" but i think i will stay with all the scripture, rather than the explainations. if thats error, im pretty flawed cause ill stay with this confession
matthew 16:16-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven
seems peters idea of Who Jesus is......is prettyu darn acceptable to Jesus, and apparently according to Jesus, it was revealed unto Peter By God the Father. so .....i think ill stay with that one and hope others might possibly think it through, and try to find the confesions of the apostles God, Jesus and those saying anything different.
In John 17,although Jesus is God so He had to have glory in the beginning as God,He is speaking as a man in this chapter.
He had that glory in the beginning,but not received it yet,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,for it is a plan of God to give the man Christ Jesus this glory,so it is the same as if He had this glory in the beginning.
Like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world,and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world,although they were future events,considered being in the beginning.
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
The man Christ Jesus is speaking in this chapter,and not talking about glory as God,for He always has that glory,but He is speaking when He receives a glorified body,and eternal life,and sits on the throne in heaven,and that glory He received to be also given to the saints,a glorified body,and eternal life,and the saints shall behold the glory that the Father gave Him,as He sits on the throne in heaven in a glorified body,which the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
This glory that Jesus gave the saints cannot mean according to His deity,for the saints cannot receive that glory,for God does not give His glory to another.
In John 17,Jesus is speaking from His human side.
He had that glory in the beginning,but not received it yet,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,for it is a plan of God to give the man Christ Jesus this glory,so it is the same as if He had this glory in the beginning.
Like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world,and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world,although they were future events,considered being in the beginning.
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
The man Christ Jesus is speaking in this chapter,and not talking about glory as God,for He always has that glory,but He is speaking when He receives a glorified body,and eternal life,and sits on the throne in heaven,and that glory He received to be also given to the saints,a glorified body,and eternal life,and the saints shall behold the glory that the Father gave Him,as He sits on the throne in heaven in a glorified body,which the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
This glory that Jesus gave the saints cannot mean according to His deity,for the saints cannot receive that glory,for God does not give His glory to another.
In John 17,Jesus is speaking from His human side.