Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

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amen and consider How much More the Perfect God, having a perfect Son. it produces His exact Image and Glory.

hebrews 1:3 "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
GREAT posts ALL OF THEM ! couldn't agree more Amen and Amen !
 

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forget it i see as usual the cirsle with you...be blessed tho
It's too hard to make the connection that when HE breathes into them and says receive THE HOLY SPIRIT that HE quickened them by HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT?

If HE came forth from GOD, the visible image of the invisible GOD the exact representation of HIS being and the full radiance of HIS GLORY than HE had all authority to say he who has seen me has seen the father


for a spirit is invisible
and a spirit can only be made manifest by a visible vessel
 
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All this talk out of your mouth followjesus so I have two questions for you. (1), What does it mean to call Jesus the Son of God? And (2), can you give me an example of a son that does not share the same nature as its father? Just one example! :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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lol....have i said Jesus didnt hare His nature? some folks need to learn reading comprehension.

Yeah Jesus shared Gods Nature, but you know what? we are One With Jesus, Jesus One with God His nature is imparted to all His children, does that mean we are God? does a son who shares His fathers nature, is that making Him His father? or would He be the Son of His father? Gods Son, Jesus Christ very simple. thats where the Life is offered its not to say " Jesus is God" theres a reason the entire Gospel is about the Son of God. a reason John makes clear " Jesus is the Son of God" rather than spend yime correcting and arguing with people, this site would be alot better if we all heard first what was being Said. here very simply what im saying


john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.<<<<< now consider John saying very clearly this

f we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.


its the christian faith God sent Jesus, His only son, to save the World through Belief in the name of the Only begotten, Jesus. you can argue that fact, but its best to stick with this plain clear obvious true witness of God " That Jsus Christ is His Son, and eternal Life is only found in his son.


and if you have an issue with me talkking...why come to a post like this ? its really kind of pretty evident in the op, which was why i left it for people to consider, i would have been thrilled if it would have just been read and considered....... the way people approach others here in this forum, is not a christian way of doing things. i would have thought Gods witness in the op, Jesus witness all the apostles all that scripture may have at least made someone think...hmmmmmm

its really not that complicated. The Gospel is really clear, accept Jesus the Son of God have eternal Life. simple there is no reason to raise the wuestion " Is Jesus God?" the question is " Is Jesus Christ the Son of God?"
 
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It's too hard to make the connection that when HE breathes into them and says receive THE HOLY SPIRIT that HE quickened them by HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT?

If HE came forth from GOD, the visible image of the invisible GOD the exact representation of HIS being and the full radiance of HIS GLORY than HE had all authority to say he who has seen me has seen the father


for a spirit is invisible
and a spirit can only be made manifest by a visible vessel

right ,thats why Jesus said this

john 2:19-21 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body."


and thats what paul is saying to believers about them being the temple of God. all of Gods children receive Gods spirit living in them. the only way it comes is through Faith in Gods Son.

Father, Son, and you........all 3 have the spirit of God. God is truly unseen, Jesus was sen by many, even when transfigured and God says what of Him more than once?" this is my son ...hear him." isnt God speaking and saying this enough for us to accept that Jesus is the Son of God? His spirit is of the Father as all children receive thier fathers spirit.

the importance of accepting Jesus is the Son is thats where our faith makes us children of God through faith in His Son, and when we are made His children we also receive the spirit of God. begotten through faith in Jesus the Word, the Son of God. it says " the word was made flesh, an we beheld His glory the glory of the only begotten)

then were told this

2 corinthians 3:18 "
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

thje Lord is Jesus, the Son of God, the Christ. ( acts 2:33-35) were being made into children of God through Faith. conformed to the Likeness of Jesus, ( by His spirit ( john 6:63) who is the likeness of God. thats why we need to believe He is Gods Son. Jesus was seen by John, God has never been seen but By Jesus His Son. we will one day see God, and Jesus will still be His Son, as will we be. but well all have Gods nature because of what Jesus has done for us





 
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And when CHRIST says I will send you another comforter who will be with you forever, even THE SPIRIT of TRUTH.......I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you

what did HE mean?
v14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Jesus spirit is his word, its the knowledge in them. He is telling us Who God really is, what God really wants of Us, How much God truly Loves us because mankind had become blind. so we accept His testimony of the Father God. the gospel, and then after He was resurrected and went to the throne to sit at Gods right Hand He sent the Holy spirit into Our Hearts. the spirit of Jesus gets into Our hearts through faith in Him, Believing His words, the knowledge in them. and then because of that, He sends the spirit of God, the holy ghost. its a protion of God, who is spirit. His spirit is not limited to one place, He is able to send His spirit into those who believe in His son, through What His word says.


the good news is that God is with us, through faith in Jesus His son. we have then Jesus spirit through the gospel that changes our hearts and makes thenm clean, so that Gods Holy spirit can live in them created By the spirit of Jesus we receive through Faith. in the end we have Both the Son, and the father and are bound with Him because of the holy ghost that is in God, Jesus, and us.
 
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GREAT posts ALL OF THEM ! couldn't agree more Amen and Amen !
thank you dear sister for the encouragement and support and confirmation !, i havent seen you on much, was wondering where you have been :)

God Bless you greatly in the name of Jesus Christ !!!
 

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What???? Are you nuts? I mean really! First thing I noticed you must be one of those “christens” that does not believe all of Scripture is from G-d and alive and for us today and have thrown the Old Testament out like the baby with the bath water.
Ok. I’m a Jew how can I possibly think G-d died? How can I reconcile this?
The question is can G-d die?
G-d as God cannot die. But G-d as Messiah can.
Can G-d be on Earth and in heaven at the same time? I’m so glad you asked… look at the Scripture where G-d came to Earth as an angle, oh, Abraham, Samson’s parents, Gideon, oh what is her name, the women who had Ismael, oh yah, Hagar (when she cryed G-d made a well) thses are off the top of my head. The point is we know G-d can still do G-d stuff and leave heaven in a different form. He accepted praise and worship, if angle they would not.
Y-shua is the Son. No problem. G-d calls Ephraim and Manasseh His son so no big stretch He would call Messiah His Son.

What we do know about Messiah. Messiah has to be a Jew, atonement comes from the blood and death, from Messiah all of the world will know about G-d (name another Jew who has made G-d known like Y-shua).

See Messiah is 100% G-d and 100% man. Y-shua is the G-d Man. G-d stepped out of heaven, while still being G-d, like only an omnipresent G-d can do, took on the form of a man Messiah…. The Son of G-d…. G-d…. the G-d -Man 100% G-d-100%Man… AMEN!!!!!!!
 

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What???? Are you nuts? I mean really! First thing I noticed you must be one of those “christens” that does not believe all of Scripture is from G-d and alive and for us today and have thrown the Old Testament out like the baby with the bath water.
Ok. I’m a Jew how can I possibly think G-d died? How can I reconcile this?
The question is can G-d die?
G-d as God cannot die. But G-d as Messiah can.
Can G-d be on Earth and in heaven at the same time? I’m so glad you asked… look at the Scripture where G-d came to Earth as an angle, oh, Abraham, Samson’s parents, Gideon, oh what is her name, the women who had Ismael, oh yah, Hagar (when she cryed G-d made a well) thses are off the top of my head. The point is we know G-d can still do G-d stuff and leave heaven in a different form. He accepted praise and worship, if angle they would not.
Y-shua is the Son. No problem. G-d calls Ephraim and Manasseh His son so no big stretch He would call Messiah His Son.

What we do know about Messiah. Messiah has to be a Jew, atonement comes from the blood and death, from Messiah all of the world will know about G-d (name another Jew who has made G-d known like Y-shua).

See Messiah is 100% G-d and 100% man. Y-shua is the G-d Man. G-d stepped out of heaven, while still being G-d, like only an omnipresent G-d can do, took on the form of a man Messiah…. The Son of G-d…. G-d…. the G-d -Man 100% G-d-100%Man… AMEN!!!!!!!
The sacrifice for sin was death. Just as any animal sacrifice had to physically die. The bible says Jesus yielded up his Spirit. Gave into death. But yes God is God and in 3 days his resurrection proved Jesus conquered death.

They speared him to make sure he was dead. It had to happen this way to save us as for a final atonement of all sin.
 
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What???? Are you nuts? I mean really! First thing I noticed you must be one of those “christens” that does not believe all of Scripture is from G-d and alive and for us today and have thrown the Old Testament out like the baby with the bath water.
Ok. I’m a Jew how can I possibly think G-d died? How can I reconcile this?
The question is can G-d die?
G-d as God cannot die. But G-d as Messiah can.
Can G-d be on Earth and in heaven at the same time? I’m so glad you asked… look at the Scripture where G-d came to Earth as an angle, oh, Abraham, Samson’s parents, Gideon, oh what is her name, the women who had Ismael, oh yah, Hagar (when she cryed G-d made a well) thses are off the top of my head. The point is we know G-d can still do G-d stuff and leave heaven in a different form. He accepted praise and worship, if angle they would not.
Y-shua is the Son. No problem. G-d calls Ephraim and Manasseh His son so no big stretch He would call Messiah His Son.

What we do know about Messiah. Messiah has to be a Jew, atonement comes from the blood and death, from Messiah all of the world will know about G-d (name another Jew who has made G-d known like Y-shua).

See Messiah is 100% G-d and 100% man. Y-shua is the G-d Man. G-d stepped out of heaven, while still being G-d, like only an omnipresent G-d can do, took on the form of a man Messiah…. The Son of G-d…. G-d…. the G-d -Man 100% G-d-100%Man… AMEN!!!!!!!

then you should know this reference to the messiah

deuteronomy 18:18-19 "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

and recognize this in Jesus

john 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

john 12:48-50 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; ....but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

john 8:27-30 "
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30As he spake these words, many believed on him.

john 4:25-26 "The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.


Deuteronomy 18:18-19. acts 3, acts 7

and recognize this psalm

psalm 2:6-12 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


and recognize this

matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. ( psalms 2:7)

and be willing to accept this

john 3:16 -18 "
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

1John 5:9-13 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. "


john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.




 
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The sacrifice for sin was death. Just as any animal sacrifice had to physically die. The bible says Jesus yielded up his Spirit. Gave into death. But yes God is God and in 3 days his resurrection proved Jesus conquered death.

They speared him to make sure he was dead. It had to happen this way to save us as for a final atonement of all sin.
"But yes God is God and in 3 days his resurrection proved Jesus conquered death."


john 10:18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

acts 2:32-35 "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

psalm 2:7-8 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

john 6:37-40 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

john 3:35-36 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

isaiah 49 :1- Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. ( luke 1:31-32)
2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; ( john 8:38)

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And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. ( john 17:4)
4Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: (matthew 27:46) yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
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And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.


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And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. ( john 10:16 )
 

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Just thinking on the title of the OP..

Begotten, the product of procreation of a man and a woman.

Mary became pregnant by the Spirit of God, thus her child was begotten of Mary and the Father.

All others were either created, Adam and Eve, or procreated.

Please do not bring up test-tube, surrogate or the like, they are still from a man and a woman.

Man has never created anything, just moved things around within the energy and matter (slow energy) of what we call the universe.
 
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Just thinking on the title of the OP..

Begotten, the product of procreation of a man and a woman.

Mary became pregnant by the Spirit of God, thus her child was begotten of Mary and the Father.

All others were either created, Adam and Eve, or procreated.

Please do not bring up test-tube, surrogate or the like, they are still from a man and a woman.

Man has never created anything, just moved things around within the energy and matter (slow energy) of what we call the universe.
"mary became pregnant by the Spirit of God, thus her child was begotten of Mary and the Father."

john 1:14 "
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Luke 1:30-38 "30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. ......38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her."




 
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Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
 

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If you read the "other" accounts again, I believe you will find they did not become pregnant without the aid of the spouse, in the flesh.

Abraham knew Sarah and she conceived............it was blessed by God, but not conceived without procreation action.
 

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PS.....the reminder in Scripture guided by the Holy Spirit, I know, by faith, that Jesus Christ is God's only begotten Son....

God gave His son, His Only Begotten Son ...

I know hat you are saying about various people of the "Word, Isaac, Samson, Samuel and more.........

God bless you and hold you close always, and while He is holding you, look around and you will see me too..
 
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If you read the "other" accounts again, I believe you will find they did not become pregnant without the aid of the spouse, in the flesh.

Abraham knew Sarah and she conceived............it was blessed by God, but not conceived without procreation action.
Genesis 1:1-3 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And [/FONT]God said,[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Let there [/FONT]be light[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]: [/FONT]and there was light.

John 8:12 "
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 1:1-4 "
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]it."

2 corinthains 4:6 "
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:




 
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PS.....the reminder in Scripture guided by the Holy Spirit, I know, by faith, that Jesus Christ is God's only begotten Son....

God gave His son, His Only Begotten Son ...

I know hat you are saying about various people of the "Word, Isaac, Samson, Samuel and more.........

God bless you and hold you close always, and while He is holding you, look around and you will see me too..
always see you :) always appreciate your insight and additions always find something good or enlightening to consider ALWAYS......i was Just playing around with Bible verses :) God bless and Keep you firmly planted in Our Lord , by The Word of His power !!
 

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Just thinking on the title of the OP..

Begotten, the product of procreation of a man and a woman.

Mary became pregnant by the Spirit of God, thus her child was begotten of Mary and the Father.

All others were either created, Adam and Eve, or procreated.

Please do not bring up test-tube, surrogate or the like, they are still from a man and a woman.

Man has never created anything, just moved things around within the energy and matter (slow energy) of what we call the universe.
Perhaps a little more 'detail may be helpful....
women don't 'beget....they 'conceive...they are the 'recipient of what is given to them.
only Males 'beget....carrying within them the 'beginning of new life....hence, as of the (only) begotten of the Father (male).
But having said that it takes both male and female having different roles to produce new life.
 

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Just thinking on the title of the OP..

Begotten, the product of procreation of a man and a woman.

Mary became pregnant by the Spirit of God, thus her child was begotten of Mary and the Father.

All others were either created, Adam and Eve, or procreated.

Please do not bring up test-tube, surrogate or the like, they are still from a man and a woman.

Man has never created anything, just moved things around within the energy and matter (slow energy) of what we call the universe.
In the context of the OP this is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.
I already demonstrated this earlier but will repeat:
The word in Greek is
μονογενής
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3439 monogenḗs (from 3411 /misthōtós, "one-and-only" and 1085 /génos, "offspring, stock") – properly, one-and-only; "one of a kind" – literally, "one (monos) of a class, genos" (the only of its kind).


To repeat there is NOTHING about procreation that can be assumed from this word.
[FONT=&quot]It means unique or one of a kind!
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It's the same word used when talking about "the only child" in every NT account.. You need 2 parties to create a child.. I'm failing to see why people are up in arms over this
In the context of the OP this is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.
I already demonstrated this earlier but will repeat:
The word in Greek is
μονογενής
meaning:
3439 monogenḗs (from 3411 /misthōtós, "one-and-only" and 1085 /génos, "offspring, stock") – properly, one-and-only; "one of a kind" – literally, "one (monos) of a class, genos" (the only of its kind).


To repeat there is NOTHING about procreation that can be assumed from this word.
It means unique or one of a kind!