Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[Denadii]

Like reading 1st Imaginations!!!??!

Read whatever you want my friend. But find yourself an answer. You are the one who has to live with the results of whatever you want to call research.

 

[graceNpeace]

Read whatever you want my friend. But find yourself an answer. You are the one who has to live with the results of whatever you want to call research.

I already have an answer.
The fact that you made a claim for which you cannot provide a Scriptural basis is very telling!
If you can provide a VALID Scriptural basis for your claim then you may find that your integrity improves...

 

[Denadii]

I already have an answer.
The fact that you made a claim for which you cannot provide a Scriptural basis is very telling!
If you can provide a VALID Scriptural basis for your claim then you may find that your integrity improves...

You people scream 'Logic' every time you give an answer that makes no sense. Now I give you an answer and logic has no place. What a double standard! What hypocrisy. EVERY tree in the garden was given and was good for food. Why would Adam refuse to eat of that tree? Honestly if you're capable of that...Why would YOU refuse? Why would you eat of every other tree in the garden and refuse that one? Use your brain for thinking instead of fighting just one time...You might like it.

 

[graceNpeace]

You people scream 'Logic' every time you give an answer that makes no sense. Now I give you an answer and logic has no place. What a double standard! What hypocrisy. EVERY tree in the garden was given and was good for food. Why would Adam refuse to eat of that tree? Honestly if you're capable of that...Why would YOU refuse? Why would you eat of every other tree in the garden and refuse that one? Use your brain for thinking instead of fighting just one time...You might like it.

There is no double standard and no hypocrisy!
Your statement is an ASSUMPTION, nothing more and nothing less, yet you have insisted that it is fact.
It may be a plausible assumption, but it is an ASSUMPTION, for which there is NO PROOF!

Any hypocrisy is in your misrepresentation...

 

[Denadii]

There is no double standard and no hypocrisy!
Your statement is an ASSUMPTION, nothing more and nothing less, yet you have insisted that it is fact.
It may be a plausible assumption, but it is an ASSUMPTION, for which there is NO PROOF!

Any hypocrisy is in your misrepresentation...

Answer the questions. Why would Adam refuse the tree of knowledge? Why would you?

 

[graceNpeace]

Answer the questions. Why would Adam refuse the tree of knowledge? Why would you?

So, you want to engage in speculation?
Neither you nor I KNOW the answer to the question.

That is why I asked you for a SCRIPTURAL basis for your statement - what you are insisting with presenting is nothing more than your opinion.

 

[beta]

So if already immortal then why should he have need to eat of the tree of life if he already was going to live forever?

romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

Death came to us through sin, "death by sin" until adam sinned death was non exiastant. we arent eternal in the sense of beforehand, from the time we were created though until adam sinned, man was immortal. Mortality came from adams transgression, and eternal Life comes through the gift of Jesus Christ to the World.

to me, it was always Gods Plan to exalt His Son Jesus, that man should die, Know the fear of God, which is the beginning of wisdom ( and what adam lacked) and then be redeemed to eternal Life through Faith in Jesus. for " Jesus was slain from the foundation of the World"

Fear came as soon as they ate from the fruit, and " Fear is the beginning of wisdom" Jesus comes, and then our Love is perfected through that fear, and then when Love is made perfect in us, it casts out the fear leaving wisdom and eternal Life for those who embrace the simplest wisdom and most wise " Gods Word will always be true, and to heed His word, and obey it, will always mean eternal Life"

john 12:50 "And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

what God tells us to do, is for us there to keep our lives, not against us as the serpent teaches. He wants man to soubt Gods word, so He can whisper other ideas like He did in eden, those who simply Hear Gods Word, believe it is true and Good, and do it, they are wise. Fear has lead to the wisdom of knowing the simplest truth. the word of Our creator will always be true and faithful to those who obey it and it will always have the same power to create as when He said " Let there be.....and it became. the source of creation is Gods Word. and therein is Faith made complete.

Gods Word is for us, for our good. Not there to destroy us but to save us from the deception of the enemy " Gods word isnt true, it is oppresive to you.


romans 7:9-11 "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

this isnt paul explaining Hos own Life, but the nature of mankind and the event in the Garden when the commandment " thou shalt not, or you will surely die" was given. it was for mans Life. But sin deceived them and by that commandment brought death. all of the law that came after the flood is based on that commandment " thou shalt not or you will die"

it also is intended to keep mans life, but satanmakes them think to hear Gods word will kill us, our fallen nature perceives it as an oppression. ( Like at horeb " Dont let God speak anymore to us or we will die")

the Gospel is based on the pattern that Gods word is truly for us, to hear it and obey it is eternal life. Jesus " whoever Hears my word and keeps it, has passed from death to Life." the gospel recreates our mind bringing it to the wisdom that Gods word is for us, to keep us alive and safe from sin and death. when our minds are right we understand Gods ways are meant for mankind and its a pleasure to learn and follow.

1 john 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

As you know we are pretty much in agreement on everything but there is one point to be clarified....if you please....about the 'immortality of man before he sinned'.
Somehow I do not see this as a 'given' because Adam had to make a decision in obeying the Commandment in Gen 2v16, 17. I believe Adam & Eve were created NEUTRAL with no strings attached to either mortality or immortality UNTIL they made their choice. Now I would like to say that their choice was rather interfered with by Satan so that in fact they did not make a clear deliberate/conscious choice but were tempted to disobey with visual displays appealing to their human senses....so from that moment they were lost through the weakness of the flesh.
I believe that to be the reason God has so much patience with us when we are not deliberately rebellious toward Him and rather more weak and foolish.
However, becoming OBEDIENT would/does restore a lot of lost ground with God Heb5v8, 9.

 

[beta]

Answer the questions. Why would Adam refuse the tree of knowledge? Why would you?

In my view Adam did not deliberately refuse....more like his mind was ON EVE ! and quite understandable when so tempted that he could not refuse HER !
Do I have to explain to you men how temptation makes you 'lose your head ?

 

[miknik5]

Answer the questions. Why would Adam refuse the tree of knowledge? Why would you?

Isn't it clear from the scriptures why?

 

[miknik5]

Here's a better question:

if the way was blocked but the tree of life was never restricted then why isn't every man looking for the way back so that they may be able to take from the tree of life and live?

 

[Denadii]

Say!! Did you vote for Hilary?

So. GnP What did Adam eat? The book says nothing about what Adam ate yet you say he ate every other fruit of the trees. Honestly! According to your silly logic, Adam did not eat at all because the Word doesn't say he did. The way some people think makes me fear for the human race. You really need to get real.

 

[miknik5]

So. GnP What did Adam eat? The book says nothing about what Adam ate yet you say he ate every other fruit of the trees. Honestly! According to your silly logic, Adam did not eat at all because the Word doesn't say he did. The way some people think makes me fear for the human race. You really need to get real.

In the garden, before he sinned, Adam was fully alive, and had access to the tree of life

was there any concern for Adam to eat or not eat of the tree of life given he was already, prior to sin fully fully alive?
he didn't have to concern himself with any fear of death and didn't even know death until after he ate from the one tree forbidden him

 

[CherieR]

Thomas did say my Lord and my God. Take note however that Jesus did not correct Thomas nor reprimand Thomas for saying Jesus is his God. Jesus said " Because you have seen me you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed." John 20:29. In essence Jesus was saying you are right Thomas; I am Lord and I am God.

 

[graceNpeace]

So. GnP What did Adam eat? The book says nothing about what Adam ate yet you say he ate every other fruit of the trees. Honestly! According to your silly logic, Adam did not eat at all because the Word doesn't say he did. The way some people think makes me fear for the human race. You really need to get real.

Still can't help the personal jabs I see...

The bottom-line is all you have is speculation.
You have no idea exactly what Adam did and did not eat.
Why?
Because the Bible does not tell you!

You stated it as a bald fact that Adam and his wife ate of the tree of life with NO evidence!
When I queried this you fobbed me off - go and do your research (implication then - and in the last post that I am silly and uneducated for not just believing you).
I gave you several opportunities to make your case and you did not.
Never once have you retracted your claim that you said was a bald fact.
But now it finally turns out that all you can offer is speculation and opinion.
Why?
Because there is absolutely NO Scriptural basis for saying that Adam and his wife ate of the tree of Life!

And your credibility, sadly, is in the toilet.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Thomas did say my Lord and my God. Take note however that Jesus did not correct Thomas nor reprimand Thomas for saying Jesus is his God. Jesus said " Because you have seen me you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed." John 20:29. In essence Jesus was saying you are right Thomas; I am Lord and I am God.

Exactly, but those who deny Jesus' divinity ignore that fact

 

[Grace777x70]

I personally don't believe that Adam had eaten from the tree of life yet because I believe the fruit of eating of this tree is stronger then the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because God said that if Adam ate from the tree of life - he would live forever.

Genesis 3:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"—

The most important thing now is for us believers to be eating from the tree of life that is only found in Christ Himself. He alone is our true life!

 

[stonesoffire]

Gen 3:22　 Later, the LORD God said, "Look! The man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, so he won't reach out, also take from the tree of life, eat, and then live forever—"

From this it looks like they could of.

I believe they were tempted "to be like God" but they already were like Him. In my one translation the serpent is called the "shining one". It kind of goes with the book of Adam and Eve. And is why Eve was deceived. She thought she was talking to an angelic being.

I know these things are not spelled out in English translations but are in other writings. So I guess it ups to us what we want to think. To me this makes more sense.

They were immortal, in the image of God, and became flesh when they ate.
　

 

[Zmouth]

Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given then can you list any one of the known and observed differences between the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Feel free to use your imagination

 

[CS1]

The bottom line is you're holding me to a standard that you don't hold to yourself. By your standard Adam did not eat at all. There is no scriptural basis for it.
I based my statment that Adam and his wife ate of the tree of life on the fact that it was open to them, there was no reason they should not eat of it and the Word does not say that they did not. Unless I missed something? So you have scripture saying that they did not eat from that tree? If not then your stand is just as silly as you say mine is.

In addition. This is a stupid discussion. I'm arguing with a brick wall here and that makes no sense. "you cannot win an argument...."

you are incorrect Adam did not eat of the tree of life nor did his wife they both ate of
gen 2:17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

 

[Denadii]

you are incorrect Adam did not eat of the tree of life nor did his wife they both ate of
gen 2:17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

ROFL Now I'm confused. I was talking about Adam and Eve eating from the tree of life for food. Yes they did eat from the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. But I was not talking about disobedience. Just eating as a dietary thing? But then, I'm very often out of step with the crowd. That can often produce a "The whole world is wrong and I'm right" effect.