Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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M
You are so right... every fact or truth must have a biblical reference and foundation... to truly understand a verse or passage you must look at the whole context.. author, time period, cultural history, etc. not to mention that the bible is perfect and doesnt contradict itself. we need to ask the spirit for help to interpret the scripture correctly, and last, the word is not meant to be in treated like some reading material in heated discussions to see who is right or wrong, lets not waste time with people like that and lets use it to reach the ones not saved
"them that are mighty" and "men of strength" is referring to men of war. We as Christians are to be men of war, not warring against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers, against rulers of darkness.
"Woe to warriors given to wine and strong drink" is the message that the Bible is conveying. Why? Because wine and strong drink affect the mind and the reflexes. Man's judgment is impaired. God says stay away from it if you are a warrior... it's not for you.
We also have been made kings and priests. Kings were forbidden to drink wine and strong drink as well.
"Woe to warriors given to wine and strong drink" is the message that the Bible is conveying. Why? Because wine and strong drink affect the mind and the reflexes. Man's judgment is impaired. God says stay away from it if you are a warrior... it's not for you.
We also have been made kings and priests. Kings were forbidden to drink wine and strong drink as well.
K
Exactly, which is why I have posted more than once in this thread the word that was used in the original texts for wine.
One can argue/debate all they want on how they feel the scripture says, but when you put out there the original meaning it is hard to see how they can refute it.
oy'-nos
This is what word was used for wine in the scripture, Jesus turning water to wine. It means fermented.
One can argue/debate all they want on how they feel the scripture says, but when you put out there the original meaning it is hard to see how they can refute it.
oy'-nos
This is what word was used for wine in the scripture, Jesus turning water to wine. It means fermented.
K
The problem is that the negatives of things have been drilled so hard into their minds, they can no longer focus or see the advantages or how something can be used for good.
Then when we defend it or other issues, they say don't apply, was not meant for us, or say that we make the Lord out to be a tempter or contributor to ones sin.
They can not see that the Lord our God makes all things, people misuse and do wrong with what is given.
Then when we defend it or other issues, they say don't apply, was not meant for us, or say that we make the Lord out to be a tempter or contributor to ones sin.
They can not see that the Lord our God makes all things, people misuse and do wrong with what is given.
Eccl 7:16
15I have seen everything during my lifetime of futility; there is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his wickedness. 16Do not be excessively righteous and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself?17Do not be excessively wicked and do not be a fool. Why should you die before your time?…
you are taking the wisdom of man and extrapolating it onto Scripture, that Christians disagree on, in an effort be right. Then adding Scripture trying to back up your efforts to do this, as something that everyone is supposed to do.
I have more hope for a person who knows how to repent, what it means to be changed, destroyed, and rebuilt then the person who isn't happy with heart change, and seeks exteriors as a means of piety
15I have seen everything during my lifetime of futility; there is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his wickedness. 16Do not be excessively righteous and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself?17Do not be excessively wicked and do not be a fool. Why should you die before your time?…
you are taking the wisdom of man and extrapolating it onto Scripture, that Christians disagree on, in an effort be right. Then adding Scripture trying to back up your efforts to do this, as something that everyone is supposed to do.
I have more hope for a person who knows how to repent, what it means to be changed, destroyed, and rebuilt then the person who isn't happy with heart change, and seeks exteriors as a means of piety
L
I will put it to you this way and will say nothing more. You are standing at the judgement throne and Christ gives you a cup to take to the Father you cant drink of this cup.... if it is not good you die .....is the wine Good? Do you trust Jesus or google? You still dong know the door that has been opened of where you stand ...if you did you would bow down. The Lord has given me prophecy and a vision. I would like to have blessed you with it but I will not cast pearls at your feet...
