Jesus's sacrifice

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Journeyman

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Hevosmies said
Even the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ is in debate nowadays.

Oy vey!

Dont even go there man. Thats the Gospel. If Jesus didnt die in our place, then thats game over. Put a fork in it! Its cooked!
The real gospel is,
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Hos.6:6

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. Mt.12:7
 

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Everything said above that is bolded is evidence to most that you really have no understanding of the word of God and or the works of Christ......
I was taught the gospel by a Jew who loved Jesus. The truth of what he taught me isn't popular, but it is right.
 

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Sorry...it is not correct........
He knew what it meant to suffer for the welfare of others,

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Mt:5:12

Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. Eze.4:4

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isa.53:12
 

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The real gospel is,
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Hos.6:6

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. Mt.12:7
This is NOT the Gospel unto Salvation. THIS is:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,



ANY other Gospel falls into THIS category:

Galatians 1:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
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He knew what it meant to suffer for the welfare of others,

Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Mt:5:12

Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. Eze.4:4

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isa.53:12
And who do you think the transgressors are.....THERE is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins NOT........Go look the word Kosmos up and that is what JESUS died for......and to even IMPLY that you are I did not help drive the nails in the cross home reeks of a complete ignorance of who it was that actually put him on the cross..........

Paul, a JEW by birth and Roman citizen stated toward the end of his life by beheading in Rome....I AM THE NUMBER ONE CHIEF SINNER AMONG MEN.....make no mistake man.....WE are all guilty of SIN and WE are all the cause for the cross of CHRIST
 

Journeyman

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This is NOT the Gospel unto Salvation. THIS is:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

ANY other Gospel falls into THIS category:

Galatians 1:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
I believe Jesus died for our sins....according to the scriptures,

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Deu.24:16

According to the scriptures, nobody dies "for" (in place of) others. Therefore, Jesus died "for" (the welfare of) others. In other words,

Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 1Pet.1:21
 

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And who do you think the transgressors are.....THERE is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins NOT........Go look the word Kosmos up and that is what JESUS died for......and to even IMPLY that you are I did not help drive the nails in the cross home reeks of a complete ignorance of who it was that actually put him on the cross..........

Paul, a JEW by birth and Roman citizen stated toward the end of his life by beheading in Rome....I AM THE NUMBER ONE CHIEF SINNER AMONG MEN.....make no mistake man.....WE are all guilty of SIN and WE are all the cause for the cross of CHRIST
I never said our sins weren't the reason Jesus died for us. I understand the word kosmos. I understand the unrepentant in the kosmos aren't going to be saved.

So when scripture says, "He made intercession for the transgressors", he means the repentant, those who prayed to God for forgiveness of their transgressions.

I believe all have sinned and need mercy. God's law shows us we are all sinners.

He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. Pro.28:9

So intercession isn't made for the self righteous.