Jews In The Holocaust

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JaumeJ

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Does anyone here have access to the actual figures provided by the media and books from the years after WWII until the early s1960-s? I refer to the numbers provided on just how many people were murdered in the Concentration camps of Hitler.

The numberrs changed drastically over the ensuing decades from first including the cippled, homosexual, undesireables in other manners and more. For some reason the number of Jews murdered ate the number of the other.

Do not get me wrong, one Jew killed is one too many, however for all those others to be simply omitted, forgotten, is just as heinous.

My recollection from numbers provide are 4 milloun Jews and approximately 2 million of the others.

Why have the others been forgotten in favor of their numbers being counted as Jews only?
 

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Here is what happened to me a couple months ago. I was giving out hearts, thumbs up, green checks, and medals to a certain member and this member gave me a 'boring' reaction icon. I almost started to give that member red X's but thought the better of it. It probably would've felt good at the time though.
 

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Due gto my failing vision, I have giveen a thumbs down once, only to discover it last week and rectifying it. Go bigure. This could have happened with many.
 
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Does anyone here have access to the actual figures provided by the media and books from the years after WWII until the early s1960-s? I refer to the numbers provided on just how many people were murdered in the Concentration camps of Hitler.

The numberrs changed drastically over the ensuing decades from first including the cippled, homosexual, undesireables in other manners and more. For some reason the number of Jews murdered ate the number of the other.

Do not get me wrong, one Jew killed is one too many, however for all those others to be simply omitted, forgotten, is just as heinous.

My recollection from numbers provide are 4 milloun Jews and approximately 2 million of the others.

Why have the others been forgotten in favor of their numbers being counted as Jews only?

No one has been forgotten. Go to any website on the Holocaust and you can find the figures, nothing has been hidden. The US Holocaust Museum cites the following stats...

Jew 6 million

Non Jewish Polish Civilians 1.8 million

Serb Civilians 312 000

People with disabilities 250 000

Gypsies 250 000

Jws 1,900

People they condemned as criminals, homosexuals 70 000

There is no document with the exact numbers, many of them were destroyed. So the numbers could be larger.
 

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Here is what happened to me a couple months ago. I was giving out hearts, thumbs up, green checks, and medals to a certain member and this member gave me a 'boring' reaction icon. I almost started to give that member red X's but thought the better of it. It probably would've felt good at the time though.
I hear what you are saying, my beloved friend.

The Purpose of the 2ndTimothyGroup is to be a positive, supportive light, especially towards those who are struggling and suffering. If a person, or family, is in deep need of anything at all, the goal of 2TG is to give. I should clarify: 2TG is a concept group of people that never got lifted off the ground. This concept group was not supported by the church I attended for 7 months. Eventually, the "group", as small as it was, completely disbanded . . . no one wanted to participate in giving their time, money, and physical effort to anyone that was in need. Needless to say, it was shocking to see that the "best" people in a community were uninterested in helping others.

One of the greatest aspects of this group of people was that it could have been operated by youth. For example, children could have held the title of "Bookkeeper," "President," "Manager," "Marketing Specialist," "Accountant," or, whatever title someone thought would be a good idea. The idea is to support not only the community in general, but to support our children as well. Of course, we would have found child who had parents that we already Accountants to ensure that the position would be handled properly, but the credit would have been accredited to the child themselves. The purpose? When it came time for that child to apply for his or her first job, they could literally place "President," "Marketing Manager", etc, on their resume and cover letter.

What I am getting at is this: 2TG is a group that is intended to support people. How can we be a supportive group of people if members were running around and handing out Red X's, Thumbs down, Zzzzz's to indicate that a person is boring, Sad faces, Red Angry faces, or Time Clocks that indicate that something is "Old" (whatever that means)? Would that reflect well on a person if they're out and in this forum acting like the "Post Quality Control" Police?

Lynne has offered 31 posts and given 15 negative reactions to posts. That is a 48% negative reaction to posts in relationship to her actual posts. Let's do some math. When Lynn offers 1000 posts, "she" will have given 480 negative reactions. Is that someone that you want around your children . . . grandchildren? Or, how would that go over in a church? How would you feel about someone in your church running around and putting negative stickers on your shoulder 48% of the time when you spoke? Would you appreciate that? Do you see what I'm getting at? To be in disagreement with someone is one thing, but how would you feel if a person in your church not only disagreed 48% of the time, but literally placed a sticker on you that indicated they were angry, upset, disagreed, found you to be boring, sad, or a time clock to indicate that you're old in some way? Can you honestly say that this kind of person would be a positive impact in your church? No, that person would eventually be kicked out . . . I guarantee it.

Now, Christian Chat can run their site however they want. I, however, do not appreciate these emojis at all, which is why if you look at the reactions that I have given, not one is negative in any way, shape or form. I find it enough to simply agree without placing attention upon myself by issuing the "stickers," or, emojis upon people's threads. I think that it's childish and damaging at the same time. That is my opinion. And so if a person is supported by having this kind of presence, my simple opinion shouldn't be a problem either. Therefore, we can choose to support and defend a person who has this kind of presence, or we can come at and continue to attack me. Either way, I will end up being the one that has the fingers pointed at me . . . so be it. Even though I seek to defend others, (and have actually been kicked out of a site for doing so) it does not affect how I feel about myself.

In conclusion: Do you think your time would be better spent questioning a person who is negative or question a person like me who is trying to stop it?
 

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You're both right. We do have free will. But God has blinded the Jews for a time, until the Gentiles come in.
I hear you my Blessed friend, however, if God has "blinded" nearly an entire communities hearts so that they cannot believe or obey, and given site to the other section of the group so that they can "see" which means to believe and obey . . . what section of the group has free will?

Good to see you again. :)
 

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I hear what you are saying, my beloved friend.

The Purpose of the 2ndTimothyGroup is to be a positive, supportive light, especially towards those who are struggling and suffering. If a person, or family, is in deep need of anything at all, the goal of 2TG is to give. I should clarify: 2TG is a concept group of people that never got lifted off the ground. This concept group was not supported by the church I attended for 7 months. Eventually, the "group", as small as it was, completely disbanded . . . no one wanted to participate in giving their time, money, and physical effort to anyone that was in need. Needless to say, it was shocking to see that the "best" people in a community were uninterested in helping others.

One of the greatest aspects of this group of people was that it could have been operated by youth. For example, children could have held the title of "Bookkeeper," "President," "Manager," "Marketing Specialist," "Accountant," or, whatever title someone thought would be a good idea. The idea is to support not only the community in general, but to support our children as well. Of course, we would have found child who had parents that we already Accountants to ensure that the position would be handled properly, but the credit would have been accredited to the child themselves. The purpose? When it came time for that child to apply for his or her first job, they could literally place "President," "Marketing Manager", etc, on their resume and cover letter.

What I am getting at is this: 2TG is a group that is intended to support people. How can we be a supportive group of people if members were running around and handing out Red X's, Thumbs down, Zzzzz's to indicate that a person is boring, Sad faces, Red Angry faces, or Time Clocks that indicate that something is "Old" (whatever that means)? Would that reflect well on a person if they're out and in this forum acting like the "Post Quality Control" Police?

Lynne has offered 31 posts and given 15 negative reactions to posts. That is a 48% negative reaction to posts in relationship to her actual posts. Let's do some math. When Lynn offers 1000 posts, "she" will have given 480 negative reactions. Is that someone that you want around your children . . . grandchildren? Or, how would that go over in a church? How would you feel about someone in your church running around and putting negative stickers on your shoulder 48% of the time when you spoke? Would you appreciate that? Do you see what I'm getting at? To be in disagreement with someone is one thing, but how would you feel if a person in your church not only disagreed 48% of the time, but literally placed a sticker on you that indicated they were angry, upset, disagreed, found you to be boring, sad, or a time clock to indicate that you're old in some way? Can you honestly say that this kind of person would be a positive impact in your church? No, that person would eventually be kicked out . . . I guarantee it.

Now, Christian Chat can run their site however they want. I, however, do not appreciate these emojis at all, which is why if you look at the reactions that I have given, not one is negative in any way, shape or form. I find it enough to simply agree without placing attention upon myself by issuing the "stickers," or, emojis upon people's threads. I think that it's childish and damaging at the same time. That is my opinion. And so if a person is supported by having this kind of presence, my simple opinion shouldn't be a problem either. Therefore, we can choose to support and defend a person who has this kind of presence, or we can come at and continue to attack me. Either way, I will end up being the one that has the fingers pointed at me . . . so be it. Even though I seek to defend others, (and have actually been kicked out of a site for doing so) it does not affect how I feel about myself.

In conclusion: Do you think your time would be better spent questioning a person who is negative or question a person like me who is trying to stop it?
That 46% red X ratio is high. I commend your restraint and consideration. I am pondering this concept you have mentioned. I also believe you to be an asset to this site and that is a complement I rarely pass out.
 

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Wrong, wrong.

It is BECAUSE they are chosen, because God calls them His beloved, because God STILL has a plan for them. These are the reasons why they were holpen with little help as the scripture foretold.

What will you say then when WE shall be the speckled hen? hunted and hated of all men for the name of Christ, given up even by our children to be killed and children given up by their parents?

The Jews will reign with Christ here on earth during a 1, 000 years while the devil is locked up in the bottomless shaft, no wonder he hates them.

Of course Hitler aspired that the 3rd Reich would last a 1, 000 years.

God will one day vindicate the Jews, though you be saved brother, don't be on the wrong side of that argument.
When a person reads the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological order so that they can understand the actual Plan of God, how does a person come to any conclusion other than the one you have concluded? Thank you, Billy!
 

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You can quote all the negative prophecies against the Jews, how about the promises made to them not yet fulfilled? eh?

How about this one from Paul, was he a prophet?
"if their diminishing has meant blessing for the gentiles what will their full inclusion mean but life from the dead?"

Hear me Christian, there will be no rapture until "they shall look upon Him whom they have pierced"

Our job [in large part] was to make them jealous that they might be saved.
"People" read about the slaughter of "Jews" in the Old Testament and are repulsed. That's odd. God chose them to suffer so that in the "end" His Power will be shown by changing their collective minds. What is more . . .

Psalm 116:15 KJV - "Precious in the sight of the LORD [is] the death of his saints."

We don't see life the way God sees life. We think that dying is the worst thing imaginable, while God sees it as something that is great and grand? Why? Because were are not intended to stay in the Devil's world. The only way to get out of here is by dying, and how many are like Enoch? Right . . . therefore, death is beautiful because it will be that vehicle that delivers us to the Heavenly, Promised Land . . . and Peaceful and Loving Land of Milk and Honey.

Therefore, when Jews, who were caused to disobey so that the Lord could demonstrate His Almighty Power, are killed, they remain on that path of inheritance. While we think that their deaths are wretched, horrible and deserving, the Lord finds them to be a "lovely fragrance." No death is actually and literally beautiful, but there is a deeper Spiritual meaning behind it. The death of Jesus is tragic, but ultimately, it is beautiful because of all that it represents.

Numbers 15:2-3 NLT - "Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. "When you finally settle in the land I am giving you, 3 you will offer special gifts as a pleasing aroma to the LORD. These gifts may take the form of a burnt offering, a sacrifice to fulfill a vow, a voluntary offering, or an offering at any of your annual festivals, and they may be taken from your herds of cattle or your flocks of sheep and goats."

Believe me . . . as a former Cremationist, I have smelled unburnt bodies (one must check the status of a cremation by opening the oven for a visual inspection). The odor of unburnt brains is disgusting. I will never forget the smell of unburnt human flesh. It is NOT a pleasing aroma to the Lord. Therefore, when God refers to Sacrifice as a pleasing aroma, it is not literally, but representative.

Sigh . . . my fingers are tired of writing about the obvious . . . that all should be able to figure out for themselves.

I love you, Billy!
 

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and I say the holocaust is but a pale fore-shadow of the anguish that is coming to the church.
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT! The modern-day church and it's members ought to be shaking and shivering . . . but they're not. They have little to no fear of the Lord. And those who do look around them and wonder why their church-mates aren't afraid as they are themselves. No True Christian can hardly stomach stepping foot into a modern-day church that has replaced beautiful hymnals with earplugs (to protect attendees ears from the Christian Rock show they're about to receive before the """sermon""").
 

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If true that the Jews, as a people, brought the Holocaust upon
themselves
They didn't. God is in control of all events, especially massive, world events.

Daniel 2:21 NLT - "He controls the course of world events; he removes kings and sets up other kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the scholars."

Who is in control? Steve, down the street, or God? Is Patty, up the road, in control or is God?
 

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That 46% red X ratio is high. I commend your restraint and consideration. I am pondering this concept you have mentioned. I also believe you to be an asset to this site and that is a complement I rarely pass out.
Tourish . . . you have no idea of how much I have appreciated you over my near 1 year of being here. Keep doing what you're doing . . . you have a Heavenly role to fill and I don't ask that you change one aspect of yourself in the least. I believe in you and your work 100%!
 
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kaylagrl

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I hear you my Blessed friend, however, if God has "blinded" nearly an entire communities hearts so that they cannot believe or obey, and given site to the other section of the group so that they can "see" which means to believe and obey . . . what section of the group has free will?

Good to see you again. :)
I haven't actually haven't even thought about this until you brought it up. It's certainly true they have been blinded. And so that does bring up the question of feel will in this case. I'd have to go deeper to understand this issue. Interesting. Good to see you again too.
 
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kaylagrl

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Well, no, it isn't. 15 negative emojis divided by 31 posts is now up to 48%.
I have been somewhat heavy handed with the x at times. I went back to see if I had been unfair and removed some. But many I had given to people that were banned. I give the x to posts that I feel are false doctrine, first. Then I will give the red x to people who are being plain ignorant with me. I try not to give a red x because I was given one. I had one woman here follow me all over the forum to x everything I said. So I have gone back and gotten rid of x's that I thought were heavy handed. But Lynne is new and may change after a while. She gave me three thumbs down without asking what I meant in my comments. Newbies are like that. I was. When you know what you're saying is right, then x shouldn't bother us. It only bothers me when I think a person is being vindictive.
 

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I haven't actually haven't even thought about this until you brought it up. It's certainly true they have been blinded. And so that does bring up the question of feel will in this case. I'd have to go deeper to understand this issue. Interesting. Good to see you again too.
Yes, my friend! So now, as you read all parts of the Bible, process it through this concept of God being in control of the way people think. Consider Pharaoh and Moses. Think about the battles where God turned the enemies of Israel and Judah against each other . . . literally causing them to attach each other instead of Israel or Judah. Think about how God told Israel that if they didn't obey, that he would cause them to kill, cook, eat, and hide the remainder flesh of their own children for later consumption . . . and to their horror, they did it! Consider how God placed an evil Spirit into king Saul so that he would seek to kill David. Consider how an evil Spirit was placed into Judas Iscariot so that he would work to have Jesus arrested. Consider how Christ hardened Peter's heart so that he would abandon Christ three times. The list just goes on and on and on and on.

Here is my challenge to all Christians: Read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological order and cataloged each time the following occurs:

1) Controlled by the Sinful Nature
2) Controlled by the Holy Spirit
3) Curse of God (all curses have an effect on what a person does and thinks)
4) Eating your own children
5) Effect of Christ
6) God is source
7 Hardened Hearts
8) Illumination
9) Mind Control
10) Power of God
11) The Lord takes responsibility
12) Transformation

I am not bragging or boasting, but I have read the Bible multiple times and have collected and organized "it" in an Excel spreadsheet. The above categories are only but a few, but they demonstrate the Holy Control of God. As it stands, I have collected 911 entries that demonstrate and prove all of the 12 points above. I'm not smart . . . I'm not great. All that I have done is take the Word of God seriously and allow it to speak for itself. I don't make things up . . . I quote Scripture, and this is something that any and all people are able to do. I am certainly nothing special in the least.

In Christ, you are loved!
 

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I have been somewhat heavy handed with the x at times. I went back to see if I had been unfair and removed some. But many I had given to people that were banned. I give the x to posts that I feel are false doctrine, first. Then I will give the red x to people who are being plain ignorant with me. I try not to give a red x because I was given one. I had one woman here follow me all over the forum to x everything I said. So I have gone back and gotten rid of x's that I thought were heavy handed. But Lynne is new and may change after a while. She gave me three thumbs down without asking what I meant in my comments. Newbies are like that. I was. When you know what you're saying is right, then x shouldn't bother us. It only bothers me when I think a person is being vindictive.
I love everything that you've written. You get what I'm saying. And you have done exactly what I did. When I discovered that I didn't like how I felt when I had people bashing everything I said with their little emoji's, I went back and began to correct my own.

In my opinion . . . great job, KaylaG!
 

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So apparently you don't know that the Jews have invented a way to use salt
water

Desalination is a desperate measure. They won't need it when God's
providence takes the reins in that land.

Isa 35:6-7 . .Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the
desert. The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling
springs. In the haunts where jackals once lay, grass and reeds and papyrus
will grow.


Israel was a barren desert when the Jews arrived. Take a look at it today.

Much of it remains barren desert. When God's providence kicks in, the whole
land of Israel will become arable.

Isa 35:21-2 . .The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness
will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will
rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the
splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of The Lord, the
excellency of our God.

Lebanon's glory of old was timber; especially cedars (1Kng 4:33). Sharon
was known for its flowers (Song 2:1) and Carmel for its orchards (Isa 33:9).
How God will get timber, flowers, and orchards to flourish in the Negev
should be interesting.
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