John 3:16-18 is not about God's universal love (there is no such thing).

[Flint321]

Well i am sorry you feel that way 7seasrekeyed, but by the grace of God i follow the Lord and not Man, Calvinism is in the bible.

Romans 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

John 3:16 is just as truth as that verse, is it not?

All Scripture is breathed out from God.

 

[posthuman]

I really cannot wrap my mind around this nonsense

in your haste to discount what was said, you miss an opportunity to shed some light on error...the error of world meaning everyone is saved or universalism according to mistaken Calvinists (I am not calling you one)

why did Jesus send out the 70?

why didn't Jesus heal everyone everywhere He walked?

why did only one leper tell Jesus thank you when he was healed?

if I go to my neighbor...the people directly next to me, and I tell them the gospel and they are saved, does that diminish the fact they are saved because I didn't tell the neighbor on the other side?

since Jesus gave the parable of the lost lamb, was He wrong because He didn't go after everyone else's lost lambs in every flock in the countryside?

since Jesus met Paul on the road to Damascus and personally converted him, why didn't the risen Jesus convert the entire religious bodies of His time (reference the incarnation while He was on earth)?

I would say your post is funny, but it isn't

it's rather sad that you diminish the fact that God chooses while not allowing Him to do so in your efforts to support unsupportable beliefs

and the answer to any or all of the questions I asked is not pre-anything

I do have some precognition on defense of this unbiblical doctrine of God creating some for heaven and some for hell

it doesn't fly in the face of the very scriptures the op is trying to shed demonic understanding upon

SMALL PRINT AKA DSCLAIMER: please note I said nothing about what you believe regarding the demonic and I don't think it applies to you

i don't think you understand my post or its place in the conversation of this thread.

Nehemiah suggested that the purpose of the book of Jonah is to be a picture of salvation going out to all nations.
i replied granting his premise, and asked about details of what that picture in the book of Jonah is, and what the contents of Jonah as a picture can inform us about the gospel.

 

[posthuman]

it's rather sad that you diminish the fact that God chooses while not allowing Him to do so in your efforts to support unsupportable beliefs

in fact, reading this comment, i am quite sure you have not comprehended what i have been writing in here, at all.


we have been having a conversation about whether God chooses or not -- John146, an open theist, says God does not choose anyone, but man chooses, and furthermore that God doesn't even know anyone until they first choose God. i have been disagreeing with that. John146 brought up Jonah, trying to establish that God is either a liar or doesn't always complete His purposes - to the end that he wishes to prove that men can bend God's will to their own by exploiting God's ignorance of what man will do. i have also been disagreeing with that, arguing that in the book of Jonah God sent a man of God to a particular people to whom He willed to show compassion to -- according to His own purpose and good pleasure. how that even Jonah knew what was bound to take place immediately on the basis of the nature of God and the fact he was being sent there: this is exactly the reason, by Jonah's own testimony, why Jonah tried to flee the command, in an effort to undo the will of God. an human effort which failed spectacularly.

 

[posthuman]

in fact, reading this comment, i am quite sure you have not comprehended what i have been writing in here, at all.


we have been having a conversation about whether God chooses or not -- John146, an open theist, says God does not choose anyone, but man chooses, and furthermore that God doesn't even know anyone until they first choose God. i have been disagreeing with that. John146 brought up Jonah, trying to establish that God is either a liar or doesn't always complete His purposes - to the end that he wishes to prove that men can bend God's will to their own by exploiting God's ignorance of what man will do. i have also been disagreeing with that, arguing that in the book of Jonah God sent a man of God to a particular people to whom He willed to show compassion to -- according to His own purpose and good pleasure. how that even Jonah knew what was bound to take place immediately on the basis of the nature of God and the fact he was being sent there: this is exactly the reason, by Jonah's own testimony, why Jonah tried to flee the command, in an effort to undo the will of God. an human effort which failed spectacularly.

the fulcrum of this whole conversation is whether Jesus knows what in the world He's doing when He leaves the 99 to seek and save the 1. open theism says Jesus doesn't even know if there is a "1" at all -- much less know that lost sheep's name.

what do you think, @7seasrekeyed ? want to contribute to the thread in a meaningful way?
does Christ have any idea who His sheep are when He sets off to gather them to Himself? does Christ even know how many He has? does He know if He has any at all? is Jesus cluelessly poking around in brambles or does He know exactly what He's doing and who He's going to carry home on His shoulder?

 

[Flint321]

I wouldn't take 7seasrekeyed to seriously, this person is always running their mouth with no proof, just let the haters hate.

Fools will be fools.

 

[John146]

the fulcrum of this whole conversation is whether Jesus knows what in the world He's doing when He leaves the 99 to seek and save the 1. open theism says Jesus doesn't even know if there is a "1" at all -- much less know that lost sheep's name.

what do you think, @7seasrekeyed ? want to contribute to the thread in a meaningful way?
does Christ have any idea who His sheep are when He sets off to gather them to Himself? does Christ even know how many He has? does He know if He has any at all? is Jesus cluelessly poking around in brambles or does He know exactly what He's doing and who He's going to carry home on His shoulder?

The body of Christ is never referred to as sheep.

 

[posthuman]

The body of Christ is never referred to as sheep.

For hereunto ye are called: for Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that ye should follow His steps,​

Who did no sin, neither was there guile found in His mouth.​

Who when He was reviled, reviled not again: when He suffered, He threatened not, but committed it to Him that judgeth righteously.​

Who His own self bare our sins in His body on the tree, that we being dead to sin, should live in righteousness: by Whose stripes ye were healed.​

For ye were as sheep going astray: but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
(1 Peter 2:21-25)​

​

 

[John146]

For hereunto ye are called: for Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that ye should follow His steps,​

Who did no sin, neither was there guile found in His mouth.​

Who when He was reviled, reviled not again: when He suffered, He threatened not, but committed it to Him that judgeth righteously.​

Who His own self bare our sins in His body on the tree, that we being dead to sin, should live in righteousness: by Whose stripes ye were healed.​

For ye were as sheep going astray: but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.​

(1 Peter 2:21-25)​

​

“As” sheep, not sheep. Also, being a dispensationalist, I would say Peter is a Jewish epistle.

 

[posthuman]

Also, being a dispensationalist, I would say Peter is a Jewish epistle.

PETER an Apostle of JESUS CHRIST, to the strangers that dwell here and there throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father unto sanctification of the Spirit, through obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you.​

(1 Peter 1:1-2 gnv)​

​

Which in time past were not a people, yet are now the people of God:
which in time past were not under mercy, but now have obtained mercy. ​

(1 Peter 2:10 gnv)​

 

[posthuman]

“As” sheep, not sheep.

For ye were as sheep going astray: but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.​

(1 Peter 2:25) ​

​

The body of Christ is never referred to as sheep.

 

[posthuman]

PETER an Apostle of JESUS CHRIST, to the strangers that dwell here and there throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father unto sanctification of the Spirit, through obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you.
(1 Peter 1:1-2 gnv)

BTW

if God elects only His method, and never His people, why does it address these "strangers" as being "elect?"
shouldn't it say "to the strangers . . who chose what was elected according to the foreknowledge of God . ." or something??

IOW the things being described here as "elect" are people, not doctrines or actions or qualities. if that's not true why is it written in scripture?

 

[John146]

PETER an Apostle of JESUS CHRIST, to the strangers that dwell here and there throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father unto sanctification of the Spirit, through obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you.​

(1 Peter 1:1-2 gnv)​

​

Which in time past were not a people, yet are now the people of God: ​

which in time past were not under mercy, but now have obtained mercy. ​

(1 Peter 2:10 gnv)​

I see these scattered about as the same audience as James as the Jews will be strangers scattered about in the tribulation. Many aspects of the Jewish epistles can be applied to the Christian today, but doctrinally to the Jews in the last days.

 

[Guojing]

I see these scattered about as the same audience as James as the Jews will be strangers scattered about in the tribulation. Many aspects of the Jewish epistles can be applied to the Christian today, but doctrinally to the Jews in the last days.

Peter bounded himself only to the circumcised in Galatians 2:9.

If he meant his letter to be directed to the heathen, it will be breaking that agreement.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

no. I understand you full well posthuman. very well in fact

it's just seeing you massage scripture into your version is painful to watch


but then again, not like I have not seen it before

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I wouldn't take 7seasrekeyed to seriously, this person is always running their mouth with no proof, just let the haters hate.

Fools will be fools.

you spelled too wrong. you missed the second o in your anger to mock me

but you don't actually mock me

you mock Christ who said WHOSOEVER

 

[posthuman]

I see these scattered about as the same audience as James as the Jews will be strangers scattered about in the tribulation. Many aspects of the Jewish epistles can be applied to the Christian today, but doctrinally to the Jews in the last days.

which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: ​

which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. ​

(1 Peter 2:10 akjv)​

​

going by what Scripture says?

They have moved Me to jealousy with that which is not God;​

they have provoked Me to anger with their vanities:​

and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people;​

I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. ​

(Deuteronomy 32:21 akjv)​

 

[posthuman]

no. I understand you full well posthuman. very well in fact

it's just seeing you massage scripture into your version is painful to watch


but then again, not like I have not seen it before

my apologies for presuming you wouldn't be making blatantly false accusations if you understood what you read.

 

[posthuman]

Many aspects of the Jewish epistles can be applied to the Christian today, but doctrinally to the Jews in the last days.

​

I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:​

for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; ​

to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.​

(Romans 1:16)​

​

"the gospel of Christ" -- singular
"it is the power of God" -- singular
"to the Jew .. and also to the Greek" -- one single gospel to all people, both Jew and Gentile.

going by what Scripture says?

 

[John146]

​

I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:​

for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; ​

to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.​

(Romans 1:16)​

​

"the gospel of Christ" -- singular
"it is the power of God" -- singular
"to the Jew .. and also to the Greek" -- one single gospel to all people, both Jew and Gentile.

I don’t have a problem with this. But the gospel of the kingdom is not the same as the gospel of Christ. Gospel is a word that means glad tidings and does not always point to eternal salvation. That’s where people make a mistake. People think that every time they see that word gospel, it’s talking about Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. Nope.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

my apologies for presuming you wouldn't be making blatantly false accusations if you understood what you read.

what a ridiculous and childish response

I disagree with your beliefs regarding scripture so I am therefore, in your economy, making false and blatantly false at that, accusations and my understanding is clouded

you simply sound angry...like a spoiled brat stamping it's feet when it does not get its way

not one single Calvinist can actually prove what they wish to shove down everyone's throats...much like their founder...and while you state you are not a Calvinist, you have sadly taken to using their bullying, mocking and false methods of trying to get those who disagree, to shut up

get over it

if you don't like it, my posts that is, move on. I will continue to post as I will regarding the false teachings in this and other threads...along with others I might add

this is not a teaching platform contrary to what the hardcore Calvinists here think