John Chapter 3 REFUTES Five Point Calvinism
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The problem today is all of the big protestant denominations have been taken over by secular ministers. They become ministers in order to have access to the church money. There is a church near me where the pastor buys a Caddilac or Lincoln every other year. He gives nice homilies on Sunday but never mentions Jesus and the resurrection with what that means.
The denomination I go to is immune to these ministers. The deacons control the money. They provide a small pot of money for the minister to use as needed for mercy activities and that is the only money the minister can access. If he sees a need for more money then the deacons take over and disperse the money as needed. They never ever give money to the people but pay for their needs. When someone gets angry and walks away it becomes obvious all they were after was the money. Those in real need are very thankful!
The denomination I go to is immune to these ministers. The deacons control the money. They provide a small pot of money for the minister to use as needed for mercy activities and that is the only money the minister can access. If he sees a need for more money then the deacons take over and disperse the money as needed. They never ever give money to the people but pay for their needs. When someone gets angry and walks away it becomes obvious all they were after was the money. Those in real need are very thankful!
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Gary North wrote a book called "Crossed Fingers". It documented the take over by secular ministers of Presbyterian USA. He claims the other top protestant denominations have been taken over as well. Only sub denominations are still preaching the gospel message. If you attend a church and never hear the gospel message it has a secular minister! That is the litmus test!!
I try not to use human logic and reasoning in finding the meaning of Scripture. Something about Leaning not on my own understanding.... I attempt to let Scripture mean what is says.
Funny you should say that saying we were spiritually dead means we were in fact, spiritually dead is stretching. THAT'S what Scripture says, so the streeeeeeeeeeetching comes from those that say we were ONLY MOSTLY DEAD!
Human beings DO NOT have the ability to be persuaded.
That's why it is so important to understand that we were dead. Not just a little dead. At this point 1 Corinthians 2:14 is in effect.
That's why I believe apologetics are almost useless in bringing someone to Christ. We must give to the unsaved the Gospel unto Salvation, show them our changed lives through loving them with our actions and testimony, and pray for them. It is the Lord and the Lord ALONE that will activate their faith upon hearing His Gospel.
God's responses are not dependent on what we do. Why do people have such a problem fully accepting to the concept that God is in control?
I believe it is because instead of just doing what He instructs us to do, which is to love Him, love people, and Spread His Gospel, we get caught up in the mud of using our logic to try and figure out why God does certain things. In a sense we make ourselves out to be God, and how He should operate.
Funny you should say that saying we were spiritually dead means we were in fact, spiritually dead is stretching. THAT'S what Scripture says, so the streeeeeeeeeeetching comes from those that say we were ONLY MOSTLY DEAD!
Human beings DO NOT have the ability to be persuaded.
That's why it is so important to understand that we were dead. Not just a little dead. At this point 1 Corinthians 2:14 is in effect.
That's why I believe apologetics are almost useless in bringing someone to Christ. We must give to the unsaved the Gospel unto Salvation, show them our changed lives through loving them with our actions and testimony, and pray for them. It is the Lord and the Lord ALONE that will activate their faith upon hearing His Gospel.
God's responses are not dependent on what we do. Why do people have such a problem fully accepting to the concept that God is in control?
I believe it is because instead of just doing what He instructs us to do, which is to love Him, love people, and Spread His Gospel, we get caught up in the mud of using our logic to try and figure out why God does certain things. In a sense we make ourselves out to be God, and how He should operate.
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That's why I got away from working for televangelists. I got sick and tired of profit minded sermons and homilies. The name it and claim it / prosperity movement caused a terrible shift away from single minded salvation motivated evangelism, hawking instead that the Lord allowed himself to be sacrificed so we can become materially wealthy rather than storing up our riches in glory. They seem to forget that this life is temporary. So is death, the dead who are in Christ will be resurrected in new glorified bodies leaving former sins behind. That is if we are washed by the blood of the lamb. Which is Jesus.
I honestly seldom heard of Calvinism before I joined CC a year ago. and although I do believe in eternal unlosable Salvation I can see examples in the word where lazy, impatient,, greedy people can cast salvation aside. And like throwing keys into the sea I wouldn't consider them lost but discarded. It was a bad decision made voluntarily not accidentally. They can still be saved through confession and repentance. To me it's simple. I didn't get saved at church and I got baptized, in public, in a lagoon in swimming trunks!
I honestly seldom heard of Calvinism before I joined CC a year ago. and although I do believe in eternal unlosable Salvation I can see examples in the word where lazy, impatient,, greedy people can cast salvation aside. And like throwing keys into the sea I wouldn't consider them lost but discarded. It was a bad decision made voluntarily not accidentally. They can still be saved through confession and repentance. To me it's simple. I didn't get saved at church and I got baptized, in public, in a lagoon in swimming trunks!
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Ohhh PennEd....LOL where do I start .....Hmmm
One thing for sure interpreting scripture apart from employing the God given faculty of human reasoning (even in its fallen state) is a recipe for disaster (hint >>>>> modern day tongues, holy laughter, slain in the spirit etc., etc.,)
Penn Ed....people must absolutely hear the Gospel, scripture is very clear..... our actions support our words not vise versa...
more to come....
There is the quinquarticular controversy between Calvinism and Arminianism. Both are Biblical. Read the defense of each. They give scripture references. Keep in mind the Apostles Creed was created to define what a Christian must believe. Anything outside it is to agree to disagree. Anything opposed to it is heresy. The agree to disagree creates the many gospel preaching denominations.
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate
Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm
Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate
Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm
Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
Going to a church that teaches the whole word but emphesises that the New Testament now has the authority is more important than going to church to me. I trust the Bible more than the man in the pulpit. >
Hebrews 7:18 & 19 New International Version (NIV)
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God...
Hebrews 7:18 & 19 New International Version (NIV)
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God...
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GOD is the Judge and the rejecter.
Question, What is meant by word in the following text.
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:8 KJV)
Here is another question, what is meant by Law in this text.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(Heb 8:10 KJV)
Question, What is meant by word in the following text.
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:8 KJV)
Here is another question, what is meant by Law in this text.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(Heb 8:10 KJV)
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I am not a Calvinist, but here are some thoughts on the matter I would like to share.
a. No one can come to the Father unless the Father draws him. Apart from Grace and God taking the initiative in seeking us, we are ALL dead and without hope and enemies of God.
b. Election precedes faith. I do not claim to fully understand election, and most interpretations people give seem to me to be oversimplifications.
c. Jesus died for all, but His death is only applied to those who believe.
d. God's grace can be resisted, but He is longsuffering to usward. We dare not abuse that longsuffering, though.
e. If our salvation is in Jesus' hand, we can be sure that He will not lose it.
a. No one can come to the Father unless the Father draws him. Apart from Grace and God taking the initiative in seeking us, we are ALL dead and without hope and enemies of God.
b. Election precedes faith. I do not claim to fully understand election, and most interpretations people give seem to me to be oversimplifications.
c. Jesus died for all, but His death is only applied to those who believe.
d. God's grace can be resisted, but He is longsuffering to usward. We dare not abuse that longsuffering, though.
e. If our salvation is in Jesus' hand, we can be sure that He will not lose it.
Romans 10:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[a] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[a] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Hebrews 8:7-12 New International Version (NIV)
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
It was an explanation of how Jesus fulfilled old testament prophecies.
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
It was an explanation of how Jesus fulfilled old testament prophecies.
You keep repeating this cut and paste argument of yours, and still use "Armenianism" when it's a misspelling.
Arminianism is opposed to scripture and is in opposition to the Doctrines of Grace/Calvinism.
Having Biblical references does not necessitate actual biblical support and truth. Therefore your usage of said argument is flawed, all cults and those in error use biblical references, this does not prove their teachings as being biblical.
Arminianism is in error, and cannot provide one in context passage to refute so-called Calvinism. Reformed theology is the only consistent theology in its truths and interpretations, hermeneutically, contextually and exegetically.
Therefore they are not "both" biblical as two opposing teachings cannot both be correct.
Arminianism is opposed to scripture and is in opposition to the Doctrines of Grace/Calvinism.
Having Biblical references does not necessitate actual biblical support and truth. Therefore your usage of said argument is flawed, all cults and those in error use biblical references, this does not prove their teachings as being biblical.
Arminianism is in error, and cannot provide one in context passage to refute so-called Calvinism. Reformed theology is the only consistent theology in its truths and interpretations, hermeneutically, contextually and exegetically.
Therefore they are not "both" biblical as two opposing teachings cannot both be correct.