Joyce Meyer -- False Teacher

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Wow, I had no idea I would start such a firestorm!

The way I interpreted the first sentence of the post I quoted way back on page one of this thread struck me as very odd. It seemed to me that Meyer was saying that we will get mercy in the same proportion as we give mercy. Like we can't get mercy unless we give mercy. That to me is very backward. After all, it was God FIRST who was merciful to me. And I would never be able to show mercy myself if not for His Holy Spirit indwelling me. And, finally, I don't show mercy TO others so that I will receive mercy FROM others. Being merciful is an act of love -- the kind of love that comes from God alone. And it is not to be used as some kind of bargaining chip in order for me to receive mercy from others.

So that is my elaboration on her quote. Sorry this thread got so out of hand. I feel particularly sorry for Angela who I respect a great deal and has been treated very poorly IMHO.
Angela is a big girl and can argue just fine. :)
 
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you should know something about this subject: when you post a thread like this, it is going to get out of hand. The televangelist subject in general will get out of hand. I'm learning that the hard way, and am letting it go as it will. So, don't be sorry for creating a thread. You had no idea that it would get this bad.
Yes she did, she has a history of doing this. Kinda tells you something doesn't it.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the subject about whether Joyce is a false teacher or not? I don't see " Joyce Meyer love fest" as the title
NO the subject was something that Joyce said, that Santuzza said was false, but was actually found in the Bible.

When nobody can attack the message they attack the messenger.
 
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The Pharisees had some pretty good education as well. The disciples had none and the Holy Spirit flowed through them so they could be witnesses of Christ. You depend on your earthly education and the ones flowing with the Holy Spirit will depend on God.
Paul and Luke were educated. Luke was a physician
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the subject about whether Joyce is a false teacher or not? I don't see " Joyce Meyer love fest" as the title
Are you aware that "loving others" is the one thing Jesus told us to do? You will come up embarrassingly short if you try to find where Jesus told us to get a good, solid, sound doctrine under our belt and well rehearsed before we told other people about Him.

You're knocking showing Love? God IS love. We should be trying to live THAT long before we try to speak words that everyone will agree with. Because that ain't gonna happen.
 
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Are you aware that "loving others" is the one thing Jesus told us to do? You will come up embarrassingly short if you try to find where Jesus told us to get a good, solid, sound doctrine under our belt and well rehearsed before we told other people about Him.

You're knocking showing Love? God IS love. We should be trying to live THAT long before we try to speak words that everyone will agree with. Because that ain't gonna happen.
I'm not knocking love, i just misunderstand the reason for this thread. Is it to discuss the false teacher or to profess our love for her? I'm confused
 

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Why would you bother to listen to someone who has doctrines and teachings that are obviously false? How do you know that what she is saying is true? She may use a small amount, or even a large amount of truth, then mix it in with lies.

She is definitely Word Faith. She says:

"Words are containers for power. They carry creative or destructive power, positive or negative power. And so we need to be speaking right things over our lives and about our futures if we expect good things to happen. Becase what you say today, you'll probably end up having tomorrow." Joyce Meyer Eight Ways to Keep the Devil Under Your Feet. (New York: Warner Faith, 2002) 87-88

It doesn't get any more Word Faith than that! And nothing about Jesus in that heretical teaching, either!

Thank You, Angela

I wasn't aware of the WOF or the little gods heresies. When I see a person attempting to 'teach' a spiritual gift; I know that something is very wrong and my family stops listening.


If one major teaching is radically wrong, NOTHING she says is worth hearing.
 
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I'm not knocking love, i just misunderstand the reason for this thread. Is it to discuss the false teacher or to profess our love for her? I'm confused
Both. We can love her if we want. It's our choice not yours. You can bad mouth her all you want. She's helped millions of people. So, there. You don't like it, fine. You don't have to. I'm not for I g you to like her.
 
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You just made a complete awkward false accusation by your own choice of words! Joyce said "Mercy you give OTHER PEOPLE"..She did NOT say "mercy you give GOD..... Joyce said "AMOUNT OF MERCY." and never mentioned the word "FAITH"...YOU said "Mercy is NOT Karma. OUR FAITH is not a works based tit for tat". You said "I've NOT read much about Joyce Meyer". You used the word "UNBIBLICAL". You said "Why would we need to show GOD mercy as HE is perfect?" and Joyce was telling us that we need to show mercy in the idea that "They need prayer a lot more than they need criticism and judgment". The only "JUDGEMENT" we see here is coming from YOUR direction. Do you feel fantastic after posting a smear campaign against someone who is obviously doing so much more than YOU in this world for JESUS CHRIST? Let's see just how much mercy you show to others first before criticizing someone else, shall we?
 
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Both. We can love her if we want. It's our choice not yours. You can bad mouth her all you want. She's helped millions of people. So, there. You don't like it, fine. You don't have to. I'm not for I g you to like her.
Fine, i stopped watching her when she predicted the so-called rapture would happen in 2000 after the computer crash. I'm not bad mouthing her, but it was very foolish to make that prediction.
 
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You want us to go through YOUR past posts, and thereby "prove" you are a false teacher? We can, you know.... just as anyone can take the posts of anyone else, and claim anything they want.

Where were you when she had no money, years ago, yet was teaching just about the same thing she is today? It's interesting that all the years someone is teaching that God will honor their faithfulness, no one cares. But when He DOES begin honoring what they have been doing for decades as a small potato....... THEN all of the vultures collect, trying to now pick them apart.
 
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Fine, i stopped watching her when she predicted the so-called rapture would happen in 2000 after the computer crash. I'm not bad mouthing her, but it was very foolish to make that prediction.
I absolutely DO NOT believe in "The Rapture", but are calling everyone on here who does, a "false teacher?
 
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You want us to go through YOUR past posts, and thereby "prove" you are a false teacher? We can, you know.... just as anyone can take the posts of anyone else, and claim anything they want.

Where were you when she had no money, years ago, yet was teaching just about the same thing she is today? It's interesting that all the years someone is teaching that God will honor their faithfulness, no one cares. But when He DOES begin honoring what they have been doing for decades as a small potato....... THEN all of the vultures collect, trying to now pick them apart.
oh get off it! Ya'll pick me apart everyday without going through my posts! What does that prove? Maybe you can't take the heat? What does me being there in the beginning have anything to do with this? Was she there when I began learning guitar? Were you? Were you there the frustrated weeks I couldn't make a C chord? Was she?
 
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oh get off it! Ya'll pick me apart everyday without going through my posts! What does that prove? Maybe you can't take the heat?
Out of your own mouth. You "teach" the Bible as YOU understand it, and you don't feel we are right to give you grief about it..... but you feel it is fine for you to do exactly the same thing to her?
 
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Out of your own mouth. You "teach" the Bible as YOU understand it, and you don't feel we are right to give you grief about it..... but you feel it is fine for you to do exactly the same thing to her?
I don't teach! I haven't earned that honor yet, and I'm the only one that admits it all the time. I have been taught, but the only thing I can teach is guitar
 
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I don't teach! I haven't earned that honor yet, and I'm the only one that admits it all the time. I have been taught, but the only thing I can teach is guitar
If you tell one other person what you believe is truth (certainly your right), then you will one day get to explain to God why you taught what you did.
 
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If you tell one other person what you believe is truth (certainly your right), then you will one day get to explain to God why you taught what you did.
We agree on facing God
 
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Thank You, Angela

I wasn't aware of the WOF or the little gods heresies. When I see a person attempting to 'teach' a spiritual gift; I know that something is very wrong and my family stops listening.


If one major teaching is radically wrong, NOTHING she says is worth hearing.
She doesn't teach that. The video was ancient. Joyce has grown in Christ since then, unless you think that all people God chooses to use for His purposes must be absolutely perfect first.

Joyce says many things that God has given her to say---amazingly anointed things that God uses to change lives. All glory goes to God for it.

Wisdom teaches us that when we hear people of God speak we a re to be like Bereans, and also, take in the good but you should possess the discernment to be able to spit out the bones, rather than denigrate and gossip, demoralize and basically, as in this thread, lay siege to true servants of God...pretty ugly and ungodly stuff.