Joyce Meyer -- False Teacher

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To be honest, I've not read much by Joyce Meyer. She never struck me as genuine, but when I saw this quote "shared" on my cousin's facebook page, I realized how false her teaching is.

"The amount of mercy you give other people is the amount of mercy that's going to come back to you. There's a lot of people in the world that are lost. They feel invisible and need prayer a lot more than they need criticism and judgment."

The fact that we get back the amount of mercy we show is patently FALSE and unbiblical. Mercy is not like karma! Our faith is not a works-based tit-for-tat. And how could we EVER show God the mercy He has shown us? (And why would we ever need to show God mercy as He is perfect?)

Wow... just ... wow
Joyce Meyer is a "Word Faith" teacher.

It teaches: God created man in "God's class" (or, as "little gods"), with the potential to exercise the "God kind of faith" in calling things into existence and living in prosperity and success as sovereign beings.

We forfeited this opportunity, by rebelling against God in the Garden and taking upon ourselves Satan's nature. To correct this situation, Jesus Christ became a man, died spiritually (thus taking upon Himself Satan's nature), went to Hell, was "born again," rose from the dead with God's nature again, and then sent the Holy Spirit so that the Incarnation could be duplicated in believers, thus fulfilling their calling to be little gods.

Since we are called to experience this kind of life now, we should be successful in every area of our lives. To be in debt, then, or be sick, or (as is often taught) be left by one's spouse, and not to have these problems solved by "claiming" God's promises, shows a lack of faith.

Certain aspects of this doctrine can vary from teacher to teacher, but, the general outline remains the same in each case.

For her to say ""The amount of mercy you give other people is the amount of mercy that's going to come back to you" is nothing more than a word play on the Our Father in Matt.6. where it says: "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors"

No Christian is forgiven on the basis of forgiving others, we are forgiven, and cleansed when we judge our own sins and confess it to Jesus.

For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. 1Cor 10:30-33

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1John 1:9


If our forgiveness is conditional on forgiving others then the atonement of Jesus Christ (which wasn't even accomplished when Jesus taught the Jews to pray the Our Father) is insufficient, for "forgiveness and remission" of sins which is part of the finished work of Jesus Christ in the believer.

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Colossians 1:14

A Jew under Jesus's earthly ministry (The Our Father), optained forgiveness on a conditional basis.
 
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I don't care for Joyce Meyer that much but I wouldn't call her a false prophet. False Prophet seems to be used quite a bit these days when someone doesn't care for another teacher of sorts.
What would you call a person that teaches people they are a "little gods" and that God will give then anything they want when they speak it? Pretty arrogant to me that someone thinks they can command God Almighty to do their bidding.

Yeah I'd call her a "false prophet" since the prophets of old were the pastors and ministerial monitors of the people of God (Unger's Bible dic. pg.1042)

It's just as in the days of Isaiah:

That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the Lord: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Isaiah 30:9,10
 
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She lives in a two million dollar home. Not exactly the humility God looks for in a pastor.
 
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What would you call a person that teaches people they are a "little gods" and that God will give then anything they want when they speak it? Pretty arrogant to me that someone thinks they can command God Almighty to do their bidding.

Yeah I'd call her a "false prophet" since the prophets of old were the pastors and ministerial monitors of the people of God (Unger's Bible dic. pg.1042)

It's just as in the days of Isaiah:

That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the Lord: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Isaiah 30:9,10
I can't believe I'm sticking up for Joyce but oh well. Please provide quotes from her that we get everything we ask for? I know a lot of word of faith ministers talk about faith and belief that God will take care of us and not to worry about finances and health. If she says we can command money in our wallets then yes she is wrong. But like I said please provide quotes from her on this.

The little gods thing throws me off a bit. The scriptures they are using are Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34. Both of these verses call us Gods. They also go off of Gen 1:27 that God created us in His image.

I have never considered myself a little god or any such term, but if we have faith in the Lord and believe in His promises then yes He will provide for us and keep us in health and prosperity.

Example in my own life is I had a bill about a year ago that I didn't have money to pay for it. Instead of worrying over it and feeling sorry for myself I put my faith in the Lord that He would provide for my family. Two days later I received a check in the mail for 2 dollars over the amount that I needed to pay for the bill. I wasn't expecting a check from the company that sent it so to me this was a blessing from God. I didn't command this to appear in my wallet but knew God would take care of me.
 
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She lives in a two million dollar home. Not exactly the humility God looks for in a pastor.
And do you know how much she gives to people? The more God gives us the more we should give to others. Should she just be a poor minister and have nothing to give to others? Why do people feel ministers should live in poverty? I know a ton of pastors who have left the ministry because they were tired of living in poverty.

Why is it so scary for some to think that God is going to bless His people with prosperity? I'm not saying a 2 million dollar home is the answer but we don't have to live like some of you think we should.
 
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And do you know how much she gives to people? The more God gives us the more we should give to others. Should she just be a poor minister and have nothing to give to others? Why do people feel ministers should live in poverty? I know a ton of pastors who have left the ministry because they were tired of living in poverty.

Why is it so scary for some to think that God is going to bless His people with prosperity? I'm not saying a 2 million dollar home is the answer but we don't have to live like some of you think we should.


You're right. She, AND every single other televangelist should be able to have an income to support their family. They NEED an income. Don't force them to live in poverty. They are blessed to be able to go out and preach the word of God.
 
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I can't believe I'm sticking up for Joyce but oh well. Please provide quotes from her that we get everything we ask for? I know a lot of word of faith ministers talk about faith and belief that God will take care of us and not to worry about finances and health. If she says we can command money in our wallets then yes she is wrong. But like I said please provide quotes from her on this.

The little gods thing throws me off a bit. The scriptures they are using are Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34. Both of these verses call us Gods. They also go off of Gen 1:27 that God created us in His image.

I have never considered myself a little god or any such term, but if we have faith in the Lord and believe in His promises then yes He will provide for us and keep us in health and prosperity.

Example in my own life is I had a bill about a year ago that I didn't have money to pay for it. Instead of worrying over it and feeling sorry for myself I put my faith in the Lord that He would provide for my family. Two days later I received a check in the mail for 2 dollars over the amount that I needed to pay for the bill. I wasn't expecting a check from the company that sent it so to me this was a blessing from God. I didn't command this to appear in my wallet but knew God would take care of me.
Please provide quotes from her that we get everything we ask for?

"We can speak positive thoughts about ourselves into the atmosphere and thereby ‘prophesy our future.”

This is a quote from her book:

The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word (New York: Warner, 2004).

Is Joyce Meyer Word of Faith?
 
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"We can speak positive thoughts about ourselves into the atmosphere and thereby ‘prophesy our future.”

This is a quote from her book:

The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word (New York: Warner, 2004).

Is Joyce Meyer Word of Faith?
This is just and observation but..... I don't think we can create our circumstance by speaking, but we certainly can influence them. It's funny how the bible says...where your treasure is...there your heart will be also. Notice how it doesn't say where your heart is, there your treasure will be. This is indicative that our heart follows what we consider to be treasure. What becomes our treasure starts with what we think about it.
 
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To be honest, I've not read much by Joyce Meyer. She never struck me as genuine, but when I saw this quote "shared" on my cousin's facebook page, I realized how false her teaching is.
So, you know not whereof you speak? Then why commit yourself to ignorance and the evil of slander and gossip?

"The amount of mercy you give other people is the amount of mercy that's going to come back to you. There's a lot of people in the world that are lost. They feel invisible and need prayer a lot more than they need criticism and judgment."

The fact that we get back the amount of mercy we show is patently FALSE and unbiblical. Mercy is not like karma! Our faith is not a works-based tit-for-tat. And how could we EVER show God the mercy He has shown us? (And why would we ever need to show God mercy as He is perfect?)

Wow... just ... wow
Matthew 5:7
God blesses those who are merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
 
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Well, I'm searching, and so far have not found the story I was told of yesterday............so, until I can find it and document it, I will withdraw my statement "the downfall" of Rick Warren......
I'm sure he will appreciate that.
 
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Joyce Meyer is a very gifted teacher of the word of God.
 
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"We can speak positive thoughts about ourselves into the atmosphere and thereby ‘prophesy our future.”

This is a quote from her book:

The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word (New York: Warner, 2004).

Is Joyce Meyer Word of Faith?
Yeah I can agree that statement is a bit off. I know one thing that the Word of Faith people state often that I agree with is what we keep on putting in our heads is what is eventually going to come out. So if we constantly listen to trash music, read trash books, watch trashy movies then eventually that is what we are going to start thinking and doing.

[h=3]Matthew 6:22-23 ESV[/h][h=3][/h][h=3][/h] “The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

I do understand a portion of her statement about the thoughts part. If we are constantly thinking negative then we will never see the blessings of God in our lives. If we have faith and give it to the Lord then we will see the blessings that are meant for us. The rest of her statement is off the mark though. But then again I have said some pretty off the mark things in my life and don't feel I am a false teacher.
 
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BTW, Huge Joyce Myer fan, here. If it were not for her ministry, I might not be alive today.
 

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For the OP I believe that is a true statement because there are scriptures that uphold that statement like, forgive and you shall be forgiven, whatever a man sows that he will also reap, what measure you use to judge will be used to judge you, think more highly of others than yourself, and our golden rule do unto others as you woul dhave them do unto you.

As for word of faith that is also biblical even though some may take it to the extream. Bible says so as a man believes so id He, you can ask whatever you will and it will be given unto you, delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart, and may you prosper in health even as your soul prospers.
 
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Joyce Meyer is a very gifted teacher of the word of God.
I'vr listened to her and my wife likes her. For me, it's a matter of style I think. She reminds me of a Sunday school teacher I had that must have made me drink liver oil or something...Lol.
 
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"We can speak positive thoughts about ourselves into the atmosphere and thereby ‘prophesy our future.”

This is a quote from her book:

The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word (New York: Warner, 2004).

Is Joyce Meyer Word of Faith?
I like the way you think (you DO, don't you?)

Yeah, we should all be saying all the negative things about ourselves and others as we possibly can.

Maybe the Bible is wrong when it says, "As a man thinketh, so is he." and "The power of life and death is in the tongue."
 
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I'vr listened to her and my wife likes her. For me, it's a matter of style I think. She reminds me of a Sunday school teacher I had that must have made me drink liver oil or something...Lol.
The oil of the Holy Spirit's anointing is running over her.
 
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The oil of the Holy Spirit's anointing is running over her.
Maybe I'll give her another chance. :) She's got one thing going for her......she doesn't wear a big giant blonde wig and cake on the makeup like she's going to a hooker convention. Come on...that's kinda funny...I think she would even laugh at that.