JUDGEMENT is coming down on America!

[Arel]

"For this Mechisedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of kings, and blessed him."

"Most High" is a title, not His Name, His Name is Jesus Christ, He has many titles.

And "Elyon" is the Hebrew for "Most High", and "Elyon" is a name. Therefore, Elyon is a Name of G-d.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

Arel, can you enlighten us as to the meaning of the name Yeshua? Assuming there is one, at least.

 

[Arel]

Arel, can you enlighten us as to the meaning of the name Yeshua? Assuming there is one, at least.

Yes, actually. Yeshua is a Hebrew word as well as a name, yeshu'ah. It means "salvation".

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

Oh boy. Look at that Cup-of-Ruin.

Salvation, it's a title, not a name, if you want to play that game anyway.

Many, many names have a distinct meaning attributed to them.

Also, if you're going to be so precise about his name, stop calling him Jesus. That's the anglicized, and therefor untrue name of Yeshua.

 

[Arel]

Did I ever tell you that I like you, Veritas?

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

Aw how sweet

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Oh boy. Look at that Cup-of-Ruin.

Salvation, it's a title, not a name, if you want to play that game anyway.

Many, many names have a distinct meaning attributed to them.

Also, if you're going to be so precise about his name, stop calling him Jesus. That's the anglicized, and therefor untrue name of Yeshua.

Well actually Jesus and all the Apostles and Israelites of the time spoke Greek as their first langauge (Mel Gibson got it wrong, Hollywood?).

"Iesous" is the name His diciples would have known Him as, that name transliterated via Latin into English as the Lord intended is accurately "Jesus".

 

[Arel]

Well actually Jesus and all the Apostles and Israelites of the time spoke Greek as their first langauge (Mel Gibson got it wrong, Hollywood?).

"Iesous" is the name His diciples would have known Him as, that name transliterated via Latin into English as the Lord intended is accurately "Jesus".

Phbbt! Aramaic, not Greek. You seem to not understand Jews very well. Yeshua and all the apostles were Jews...therefore, they would not have spoken Greek.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

You failed to address the actual argument.

Edit:

"Aramaic is a Semitic language with a 3,000-year history.[3] It has been the language of administration of empires and the language of divine worship. It was the day-to-day language of Israel in the Second Temple period (539 BCE – 70 CE), the original language of large sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra, likely to have been the mother tongue of Jesus of Nazareth and is the main language of the Talmud."

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Phbbt! Aramaic, not Greek. You seem to not understand Jews very well. Yeshua and all the apostles were Jews...therefore, they would not have spoken Greek.

Your right the "Jews" spoke Aramaic, Chaldee originally, Babylonian Aramaic is a derivative of Chaldee. But the Israelites spoke Greek, Jesus and all the Apostlles were Isarelites not "Jews", that is dorogatory term from the Chaldee langauge of the Edomite Herodian Jews.

 

[Arel]

Your right the "Jews" spoke Aramaic, Chaldee originally, Babylonian Aramaic is a derivative of Chaldee. But the Israelites spoke Greek, Jesus and all the Apostlles were Isarelites not "Jews", that is dorogatory term from the Chaldee langauge of the Edomite Herodian Jews.

...this crap again?

"Jew" is just someone from the tribe of Judah. They are Israelites (sons of Jacob) too.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

You failed to address the actual argument.

Edit:

"Aramaic is a Semitic language with a 3,000-year history.[3] It has been the language of administration of empires and the language of divine worship. It was the day-to-day language of Israel in the Second Temple period (539 BCE – 70 CE), the original language of large sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra, likely to have been the mother tongue of Jesus of Nazareth and is the main language of the Talmud."

Babylonian Aramaic for the babylonian Talmud, yes that is the language of the Jews, but not the language of the Israelites - they spoke Greek, oldest complete OT is written in Greek as is the NT.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

"Aramaic is a Semitic language with a 3,000-year history.[3] It has been the language of administration of empires and the language of divine worship. It was the day-to-day language of Israel in the Second Temple period (539 BCE – 70 CE), the original language of large sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra, likely to have been the mother tongue of Jesus of Nazareth and is the main language of the Talmud."

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

...this crap again?

"Jew" is just someone from the tribe of Judah. They are Israelites (sons of Jacob) too.

I have already explained your error to you, it is incorrect to call an Israelite a "Jew" or call a "Jew" an Israelite, the word "Jew" is only 200 years old for beginners.

 

[Arel]

I have already explained your error to you, it is incorrect to call an Israelite a "Jew" or call a "Jew" an Israelite, the word "Jew" is only 200 years old for beginners.

Uhm, no, actually.

Esther 2:5
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]There was in Shushan the capital a man who was a Jew, whose name was Mordekhai the son of Ya'ir, the son of Shim'i, the son of Kish, a Binyamini.

So, Esther was written 200 years ago?
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[Cup-of-Ruin]

Uhm, no, actually.

Esther 2:5
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]There was in Shushan the capital a man who was a Jew, whose name was Mordekhai the son of Ya'ir, the son of Shim'i, the son of Kish, a Binyamini. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]So, Esther was written 200 years ago?[/FONT]

Yehuwdiy in the Hebrew Esther, Ioudaios in the Greek Septaugint Esther. Context of Babylon hence the Chaldee, contrast between Judah and Israel lost in a foreign land; and as Nebuchadnezzar's campaign was against Judah, so Yeuwdiy/Ioudaios is the name used by Babylonian Nation.

 

[Arel]

Yehuwdiy in the Hebrew Esther, Ioudaios in the Greek Septaugint Esther. Context of Babylon hence the Chaldee, contrast between Judah and Israel lost in a foreign land; and as Nebuchadnezzar's campaign was against Judah, so Yeuwdiy/Ioudaios is the name used by Babylonian Nation.

So basically the fact that you're wrong has no bearing on the discussion at all ends my participation.

 

[Graybeard]

Yes, and the answer to who is a true Judean i.e. from the tribe of Judah and who is not is in the NT - they were saved by christ who uncircumcised the heart and wrote His laws in their minds and hearts.



No, anybody can convert to Judaism, however only God can uncircumcise the heart and make one a Christian, that is why all of Judah and all of Israel were saved, the Gospel was required to come out of the remant of Judah and be delivered to the GENS of the lost sheep of Israel as Jesus once having converted of the remnant of Judah, Judah was then ordered to find and convert the lost sheep scattered abroad, which they did.

is it not the other way round?.....does not God circumcise the heart?

Deu 30:6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

 

[CarrierOfChrist]

Christianity does not have borders, all Nation states are under the beast system, I have dual citizenship and possess multiple passports, my country of birth has persucuted and treated me with contempt since I was a child, I have no allegience to the government of my country of birth, neither do I serve the British Crown or the house of Rothschild, I serve Christ and Christ alone.

Then why are you singling out America? If all nations are subscribing to the same evils, why is America and not the entire apostate/secular world the "Great Whore"?

Revelation 17:9 - This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10) They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.

The United States isn't a monarchy. We don't have "five fallen kings". We don't have a "kingdom". We've never been accused of such. Dictatorship? Empire? Sure. Kingdom? Not so much. Your hate-filled theory fails right there.

 

[Kakashi]

According to historical sources Jesus had red/blond hair a red beard and blue eyes. Jesus was not a Yehuwdiy (Jew) the term is dorogatory, it is a Babylonian Chaldee word meaning subject of Judea, the Romans insulted Him in such a way.

I would love to see an unbiased source on this.