JUDGEMENT is coming down on America!

[Jezreel]

True prophets, the men and women who God will anoint and ordain for these last days will not want recognition or even carry the title "prophet". When a person says that they are a prophet or prophetess, I would take them with a grain of salt. The prophets God will use for these last days will bring judgement in the church. It will not be a nice job. It will be like what happened to Annanais and Saphira, but only the tip of the iceberg. When you read the gospels Jesus tells the parables about his servants getting ahold of the "wicked servants" and binding them hand and foot and casting them into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
There are men today such as David Wilkerson who people say he is a prophet. Since he has not been accurate, he is not a prophet. He has NEVER called himself a prophet either, but, he knows that people call him a prophet. Where I have a problem with this is that he should post a message admitting that he is not a prophet. I don't think he has never done that and if a man or woman has been inacurrate and allows others to think that they are prophets, well, I really question this. Don't get me wrong, I really like David Wilkerson. To me he is amongst the best of men that we have today that are warning others of the wrath that is to come.
Also, you can just discern if a person is a prophetic. The word is truth and Jesus is the spirit of truth and it will bear witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God. (daughters of God too). If what a person is saying does not bear witness, ignore them. They can even be speaking the truth but is lacks the anointing of God. The word of God is already anointed, but, when an anointed person speaks the word that is already also anointed, it is like getting a double portion. It will pierce you to the heart.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I would love to see an unbiased source on this.

The Archko Volume

Official 1st Century court documents on physical description of Jesus Christ;

"If you meet him you will know him. While he is nothing but a man, there is something about him that distinguishes him from every other man. he is a picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, roud face. His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from sunburn as anything else. He is tall, and his shoulders are a little hunched; his visage is thin and of sunburnt (swarthy) complexion, through exposure to elements. His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather heavy and dull..." This Judean (Ioudiaos) is convinced taht he is the Messiah of the world. This was the same person that was born of the virgin in Bethlehem some twenty-six years before"

Description of Jesus by Publius Lentrelus - President of Judea;

"He is a tall man, well-shaped, and of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair is of a colour that cannot be matched, falling into graceful curls, wavy and very agreeable crouching upon the shoulder, parted on the crown of the head, running as a stream to the front after the fashion of the Nararites. His forehead is high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, bueatiful with lovely red; his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard; and of coloue sutible to his hair; reaching below his chin parted in the middle like a fork; his eyes are bright blue, clear and serene. look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of body and most perfect, and captivating and hands delectable to behold. He rebukes with majesty, councils with mildness, His whole address whether word or deed, being eloquent and grave. No man has seen him laugh, yet his manner is pleasant, but he weeps frequently and even in the presence of men. He is temporate, modest and wise. A manfor his extrodinary beauty and perfection, surpassing the children of men in every sense."

Letter of Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar;

"This could I easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those listening to Him. His hair golden coloured and beard gave to his appearence a celestrial aspect. He appeared about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a more sweeter and serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions."

There are many more physical descriptions, these are some of the most famous, ligitimate and verifiable.

 

[tryingtofindhim]

God will strike down America soon, and He will strike hard, Judgement is coming, the signs are everywhere, I would advise all true Christians to prepare, God has struck the American Dollar first, it is an abomination, He is in the process of destroying it, it will not hold much longer, after that is done He will turn on those who have built the idol and He will strike out in much fury and anger, He will allow the enemies of America to lauch an assualt on the Apostate America. I don't want to say too much about it, it will be a frightning event, some around the world are more willing to give more details, I prefer not to, I will only say that His wrath is coming, you have time to prepare, not long though, His wrath is coming.

If God strikes Americ,a he strikes the whole world, because basically the whole world is linked to America. I'm sorry but have a hard time believing God gave you to say this if that's what you are saying because I don't think God would have you say something that harsh, but thats just my opinion.

 

[Kakashi]

The Archko Volume

Official 1st Century court documents on physical description of Jesus Christ;

"If you meet him you will know him. While he is nothing but a man, there is something about him that distinguishes him from every other man. he is a picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, roud face. His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from sunburn as anything else. He is tall, and his shoulders are a little hunched; his visage is thin and of sunburnt (swarthy) complexion, through exposure to elements. His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather heavy and dull..." This Judean (Ioudiaos) is convinced taht he is the Messiah of the world. This was the same person that was born of the virgin in Bethlehem some twenty-six years before"

Description of Jesus by Publius Lentrelus - President of Judea;

"He is a tall man, well-shaped, and of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair is of a colour that cannot be matched, falling into graceful curls, wavy and very agreeable crouching upon the shoulder, parted on the crown of the head, running as a stream to the front after the fashion of the Nararites. His forehead is high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, bueatiful with lovely red; his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard; and of coloue sutible to his hair; reaching below his chin parted in the middle like a fork; his eyes are bright blue, clear and serene. look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of body and most perfect, and captivating and hands delectable to behold. He rebukes with majesty, councils with mildness, His whole address whether word or deed, being eloquent and grave. No man has seen him laugh, yet his manner is pleasant, but he weeps frequently and even in the presence of men. He is temporate, modest and wise. A manfor his extrodinary beauty and perfection, surpassing the children of men in every sense."

Letter of Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar;

"This could I easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those listening to Him. His hair golden coloured and beard gave to his appearence a celestrial aspect. He appeared about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a more sweeter and serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions."

There are many more physical descriptions, these are some of the most famous, ligitimate and verifiable.

I wonder if those are accurate. Isaiah 53: 2-3 says " he grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him"

What the verses say and those "sources" say are two totally different things and I doubt their veracity. They sound overly exaggerated.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I wonder if those are accurate. Isaiah 53: 2-3 says " he grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him"

Kakashi, the interpretation of those lines is accurate in the KJV, however, there is a note and 4 more lines in the original Greek that don't appear in the KJV. firstly the note is 52:14a - we must go back to that line which is: "He shall be raised on high as many were appalled by His fate, kings shuddering at His doom" (This is the crucifixtion at Golgotha), the note sets the context, unfortunately editted out of the KJV. Secondly; 4 lines absent from the KJV numbered 53:14b in Moffatt's Translation "disfigured till He seemed a man no more, deformed out of the semblence of a man"

I can verify this from several sources and many translations. The point is, how He ended up looking, His fate was such that we should not desire Him because of how He looked at the end, because of what was done to Him, I don't know if you know much about Roman crucifixtion and torture methods, but for example what you saw in 'Passion of the Christ', well it would have been much worse than that, He actually would have been left with virtually no skin, His veins would have been hanging out, arms dislocated, various dislocation (no broken bones) but the body ends up stretched out of shape, ligaments and tendons would be snapped in places, organs brusied and in some cases crushed, basically disfigured to duch a point that the form no longer looks human, it was ghastly way to die.

What the verses say and those "sources" say are two totally different things and I doubt their veracity. They sound overly exaggerated.

Romans and Judean officials were exacting in their record keeping, there is no reason to doubt them.

 

[ck]

yea judgement is coming but not to worry if you do what you need to do, but the sighns are everywhere how many think were going into the next generation? but it says he s coming i a twinkle of a eye n fast to!

 

[CarrierOfChrist]

If God strikes Americ,a he strikes the whole world, because basically the whole world is linked to America. I'm sorry but have a hard time believing God gave you to say this if that's what you are saying because I don't think God would have you say something that harsh, but thats just my opinion.

I had to read that again before I responded. I almost thought you meant God wouldn't have anything harsh to say, but now I see you were saying Cup wouldn't be the person to say it, and I agree.

 

[CarrierOfChrist]

Cup, why didn't you respond to post #140? http://christianchat.com/showpost.php?p=132039&postcount=140

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Then why are you singling out America? If all nations are subscribing to the same evils, why is America and not the entire apostate/secular world the "Great Whore"?

Revelation 17:9 - This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10) They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.

The United States isn't a monarchy. We don't have "five fallen kings". We don't have a "kingdom". We've never been accused of such. Dictatorship? Empire? Sure. Kingdom? Not so much. Your hate-filled theory fails right there.

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia/Media, Rome - 5 fallen.

White Horse of Christendom.

"One is" - Babylon (World empire under Edom Red Horse) rebuilt upon which the whore sitteth (America).

Black Horse of Judgement appoaches, rebuilt Babylon to fall, followed by the Pale Horse; death all Hell follow him. Inbetween the Black Horse and the Pale Horse Satan builds seventh worldly kingdom united under the Anti-Christ all those under him recieve the mark of the Beast.

 

[Kakashi]

Kakashi, the interpretation of those lines is accurate in the KJV, however, there is a note and 4 more lines in the original Greek that don't appear in the KJV. firstly the note is 52:14a - we must go back to that line which is: "He shall be raised on high as many were appalled by His fate, kings shuddering at His doom" (This is the crucifixtion at Golgotha), the note sets the context, unfortunately editted out of the KJV. Secondly; 4 lines absent from the KJV numbered 53:14b in Moffatt's Translation "disfigured till He seemed a man no more, deformed out of the semblemce of a man"

I can verify this from several sources and many translations. The point is, how He ended up looking, His fate was such that we should not desire Him because of how He looked at the end, because of what was done to Him, I don't know if you know much about Roman crucifixtion and torture methods, but for example what you saw in 'Passion of the Christ', well it would have been much worse than that, He actually would have been left with virtually no skin, His viens would have been hanging out, arms dislocated, various dislocation (no broken bones) but the body ends up stretched out of shape, ligaments and tendons would be snapped in places, organs brusied and in some cases crushed, basically disfigured to duch a point that the form no longer looks human, it was ghastly way to die.



Romans and Judean officials were exacting in their record keeping, there is no reason to doubt them.

Those verses aren't in mine either and I don't use KJV. Why would they take those out? There must have been a reason.

I don't think anyone would be attracted to Christ on the cross or anyone for that matter. I'm aware of the grueomsness of it all, but I honestly don't think Jesus has such an appearance in his normal state with those descriptions. You think with such an appearance it would say somewhere what he looked like exactly with such striking features inside scripture. I think he probably just looked like an everyday joe( or what a joe looked like in those days).

I would need some harsh scrutiny of any of those sources and reasons why those verses you mentioned were taken out before taking any of them seriously. cross examination and all.

 

[Densetzu]

Guys, the all three of the descriptions that Cup-of-Ruin posted are false, forgeries from the modern era.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Those verses aren't in mine either and I don't use KJV. Why would they take those out? There must have been a reason.

They are omitted, their in the original text and many Bible translation record them, the KJV and derivatives of the KJV are taken from the Leningrad Codex and Masoretic scriptures, many lines have been taken out, some addded, sometimes entire pages and chapters are missing, Satan had along time in which to corrupt many versions, I read about a dozen Bibles, having to constantly check them against each other, in Hebrew, in Greek in Latin and in English, it's not easy.

I don't think anyone would be attracted to Christ on the cross or anyone for that matter. I'm aware of the grueomsness of it all, but I honestly don't think Jesus has such an appearance in his normal state with those descriptions. You think with such an appearance it would say somewhere what he looked like exactly with such striking features inside scripture. I think he probably just looked like an everyday joe( or what a joe looked like in those days).

Well what do you expect God in the flesh to look like? an 'everyday joe'? According to the Historical records I gave you, His physical description is described, knowing the sources of the referenced material I have no reason to doubt them, If you doubt them, that is up to you.

I would need some harsh scrutiny of any of those sources and reasons why those verses you mentioned were taken out before taking any of them seriously. cross examination and all.

Rotherham's Emphasized Bible:

"He riseth and is lifted up and becometh very high: The more that Many were amazed at thee, so marred beyond anyman's was his appearence,- And his form beyond the sons of men> The more doth he startle Many nations, Before him> have kings closed their mouth. For that which had not been related to them> that which they had not heard> they diligently considered" 1901 Joseph Bryant Rotherham complete translation of the Bible.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Guys, the all three of the descriptions that Cup-of-Ruin posted are false, forgeries from the modern era.

Atheists also claim the Gospels are false and forgeries, anybody can claim that something is fake, however when you have several pieces of evidence all from different perspectives, it makes it fairly difficult to disprove, you can accept it or not, it is up to you.

 

[Kakashi]

They are omitted, their in the original text and many Bible translation record them, the KJV and derivatives of the KJV are taken from the Leningrad Codex and Masoretic scriptures, many lines have been taken out, some addded, sometimes entire pages and chapters are missing, Satan had along time in which to corrupt many versions, I read about a dozen Bibles, having to constantly check them against each other, in Hebrew, in Greek in Latin and in English, it's not easy.



Well what do you expect God in the flesh to look like? an 'everyday joe'? According to the Historical records I gave you, His physical description is described, knowing the sources of the referenced material I have no reason to doubt them, If you doubt them, that is up to you.



Rotherham's Emphasized Bible:

"He riseth and is lifted up and becometh very high: The more that Many were amazed at thee, so marred beyond anyman's was his appearence,- And his form beyond the sons of men> The more doth he startle Many nations, Before him> have kings closed their mouth. For that which had not been related to them> that which they had not heard> they diligently considered" 1901 Joseph Bryant Rotherham complete translation of the Bible.

So, only one version has it because?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

So, only one version has it because?

I've already given you 2, how many would you like?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Actually I have studied this line before and there is another interpretation from Robert Young; Young's Literal Translation- Isaiah 53:2 "Yea He hath come up as a tender plant (of refreasing beauty) before Him, And as a root out of dry ground, He hath no form, nor honour, when we observe Him (no status), Nor appearence mar-eh ( a view or act of seeing, also appearence, primary meaning), when we desire Him."

This has a totally different meaning alltogether, and in strict linguistic sense, I believe Robert Young has got it right because Isaiah does not use mar-eh to decribe a thing of beauty he uses tipe'ereth - ornament, beauty, comely fair, glory. Isaiah uses tipe'ereth 8 times and he only uses mar-eh once!

So we got a major error here and it looks like some old devil would be behind this one trying to make out the the good Lord was ugly, and imperfect.

See once you study scripture you come across all types of demons, some of them havn't seen the light of day in centuries, all of sudden someone shine a light on them, and they scurry off like little rats, most they can decieve and they take control of their minds to work against God.

So when we looked for Him, He was not there, He did not have status that we should admire Him or respect Him and He was a man of pain and sorrow, associated with grief. This all makes sense via the Holy Spirit.

 

[Mobius]

So, only one version has it because?

because how many different versions does the klan need ?



No, seriously, this is just getting ridiculous.. Jews aren't really Jews, Hebrew isn't really Hebrew, and NOW we're to believe that Isaiah was originally written in Greek.

*extends his leg towards Cup o' Soup* go on, man, pull the other one!

 

[Densetzu]

Atheists also claim the Gospels are false and forgeries, anybody can claim that something is fake, however when you have several pieces of evidence all from different perspectives, it makes it fairly difficult to disprove, you can accept it or not, it is up to you.

Nobody seriously disputes that the Gospels were written by first century followers of Jesus Christ whether they believe the content or not. Nobody seriously accredits the sources you mentioned to the first century. They're broadly known to be modern-era forgeries.

 

[Mobius]

Nobody seriously disputes that the Gospels were written by first century followers of Jesus Christ whether they believe the content or not. Nobody seriously accredits the sources you mentioned to the first century. They're broadly known to be modern-era forgeries.

Confirmed.

Nobody ever heard of these documents until about 500 years ago, which makes their authenticity VERY questionable, at BEST.

The dispute on the ages of the Gospels is whether they were written in the 1st or 3rd century, not 1st or 19th.

The third one, honestly, how could anybody take that seriously? The man had Jesus killed, and we're supposed to believe he really wrote THAT glowingly about Him ? How gullible do you have to be... ? But that's what it really is.

Cup simply hates Jews. That's ALL this is about. He hates the Jews, likely for their birthright; he probably thinks he and his ilk would have made a fine chosen people, and can not accept that G-d chose someone else. So they've just decided to try and usurp that role in history.

It doesn't matter that it's a forgery, or doesn't even FIT with the history any casual reader of the gospels knows. You see, when you want something to be true that badly, you'll do whatever you have to do to believe it, just like you'll do whatever you have to, to convince someone else that it's true.

 

[Kakashi]

Nobody seriously disputes that the Gospels were written by first century followers of Jesus Christ whether they believe the content or not. Nobody seriously accredits the sources you mentioned to the first century. They're broadly known to be modern-era forgeries.

Well, see thats what i was thinking.


I wanted to see where these "sources" came from. Just because it has a label of it being from such and such does not make it so and you provide no real evidence for me to believe they are.

Might as well say the secret gospel of mark is true.

EDIT:Also, 2 translations? You STILL didn't provide a reason for why they were excluded in other translations. for all i know these other versions were by people who had an axe to grind.