Justified by work vs faith

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Jackson123

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Do you believe Hitler if he say received Jesus on his death bed could go to heaven if so why ?
Yes because whosoever believe Will be save and forgiven, don't do murder anymore

John 8:11
“She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”

Jesus Said sin No more. Jesus not say keep sining
 

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So a serial killer you believe that if He recieves Jesus on his death and recieves the Holy Spirit ,you believe he can go to heaven correct? is it his ' obedience that caused him to go to heaven ? His baptism , his deeds of faith ? his church attendance, tithing , promise of commitment , his works ? He died 2 hours later . What was the ' condition ' of his salvation ? He received Jesus , He was Sealed by the Holy Spirit . He was Justified and freed from the penalty of sin by the ' once for all sacrifice ' of Jesus . HE was BORN AGAIN .. which is the only way to enter heaven .
If serial killer or serial liar or serial adulterer accept Jesus and repent, die in the next second, he go to heaven.
 

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So again you are saying that Jesus death , burial and resurrection was not needed . We only have to obey God . Obey what ? all 613 commandments ? the sacrifices, build an Ark ? offer our Son on the alter ? posses the land of cannan , offer 2 turtle doves ? be circumcised, enter the promise land? don't pick up sticks on the sabbath ?
We need forgiveness I never say we don't need cross. We need cross.

But Jesus forgive only people who believe in Him

We know the tree by It fruit

Killer, stop murder bear fruit of love tell the tree is Jesus and save

Murderer keep murder is like a branch that not bear fruit Will be Cut and burn

I add one more verse now

John 15:6

Gal 5
 

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He also instructed not to go to the gentiles with this message Matthew 10:5

Does this make that message less simple?

hmm... maybe? the non-spiritual are not interested in spiritual matters i guess.

and there are those amongst us (believers) who are still stuck on Milk, even though there are yet Herbs and Meat in store for those who seek Him. :)
 

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Will you have ' freedom ' to leave heaven? freedom to say " i don't want to be here anymore , I want to go to hell pleeeeeeeese !!!! No once heaven , always heaven . Once saved ,stay saved. Its not about freewill once your saved . Anymore than its about freewill if you were in the sea drowning calling for help ,reaching your arm up and someone saved you about brought you safely to land ." oh my freedom, how dare you save me completely against my free will ," said no one ever.
We not in heaven now my brother.

And Will not If we do Gal 5
 

Jackson123

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If all we had to do to be saved was to obey God then Jesus death was a waste of time . No one was saved by obeying God in the Old testament. If Jesus did not do what he did then no one would be in Heaven . Not Abraham, issac ,Jacob, moses , no one .
It Seem you don't believe John 15:6 and Gal 5:21
 

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John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Yep, the problem was brother G, It not happen to nation of Israel
 

Jackson123

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In order to know that you have eternal life.....the Holy Spirit testifies it to your spirit......without that....you wouldn’t have a clue....only He can reveal that to you,as you have received Him into your Heart....therefore now a child of God.
Yes, also the bible say

Mat 7
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


Verse 18
A good treee can not bear evil fruit

Example of evil fruit is murder.

That is mean If Christian murder It Seem that he stop Being Christian

I am not make that verse, Jesus did
 

Jackson123

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Faith without the evidence of works is deader than a do nail .
Yes my brother garee, evidence of faith is loving work, not murder or envying etc

According to Galatians 5 If you prove your faith by murder etc, you Will not inherit the Kingdom of God
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Yes my brother garee, evidence of faith is loving work, not murder or envying etc

According to Galatians 5 If you prove your faith by murder etc, you Will not inherit the Kingdom of God
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According to Galatian 3. Christians can do foolish things denying God in their new born again hearts. Reminding them to repent and return to their first love hearing and or with believing . Saying if they have begun faithfully believing the word of God it would work with them to the end.

And I am not advocating murder like that of David who killed the husband of the woman he lusted after Or when David (my favorite old testament saint) blasphemed the name of God and numbered the troops many died. .Anything that does not come by the Spirit of Christ , the spirit of faith working in us is sin . He give us the desire to seek it out and the power to perform it.

Without him there is nothing we could do that could profit. Our hearts would remain hard with no gospel rest. . .
 

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Do we ' inherit '

ok were going round in circles here . The bible is not fighting within self. As I keep saying we have to interpret scripture with scripture. Galation 5 cannot undo The Holy Spirits seal , especially as we are clearly told how long we are seald until ,and there is no conditions placed on Recieving the Holy Spirit but through faith and not works. The bible also says who ever is Justified WILL be glorified. ( Rom 8 . 23 ,28 and onwards . Eph 1.13 , 4.30 , 1.5 .
ect ect ) So let's look at what your saying . You are agreeing that drunkards , liars , adulteres , murderers ( your favourite ) if they are not born again and sealed by the holy Spirit will not go to heaven . I assume also you believe that a person who just s stops murdering , stealing, ect cleans his life up and from that moment on lets just say for arguments sake ,never sins again will he go to heaven ? no and why not ? Because simply by living a good life and doing good is not how a person can go to heaven . They need to recieve Jesus.He is the only way . Yes He has died for their sins 2000 years ago but unless they receive the atonement and are sealed by the Holy Spirit until when ? the day they sin lots ? no until they grieve the Holy Spirit ? No .. what does it say ? UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION ( THE ADOPTION IN ROMANS 8.23 ) So if a unbeliever who has sinned really badly all his life after he simply believes the Gospel ,recieves Jesus ( John 1.12 ) on Monday, dies on Friday and goes straight to be with Jesus . Why are you saying if a believer who sins badly can't go to heaven . I'm stating the obvious here to help ,but your theology is saying sinners can be saved unless they sin ?

actually we must interpret Scripture with Spirit also. if any interpretation goes against the Spirit of God (what He reveals to us personally) how can we accept it? we can't. those who Worship God must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

but Some are on Milk, some are on Herbs, some on Meat. some are on a diet of a Combination of things mixed in with Falsehoods and Guesses ..

how will we know the the Falsehoods from Truth? how will we ever discover our Errors, we who are so far down here below God in Knowledge and True Understanding?

1 Corinthians 13:12

“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

We must Seek the answers from Him my friend and not Rely only on our Own interpretations, Teachings, Dogmas, Ideas, Beliefs.

Jeremiah 29:13
…12Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. 13You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.

with ALL your Heart. so how much are you searching my friend?

a heart involved in in too much Evil and Wickedness will certainly be Far from Him and His Kingdom, and from Finding more and more Truth.

Psalm 145:18-20
The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth

Psalm 34:17
16But the face of the LORD is against those who do evil, to sever their memory from the earth. 17The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears; He delivers them from all their troubles. 18The LORD is near to the brokenhearted; He saves the contrite in spirit.…
 
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Yes because whosoever believe Will be save and forgiven, don't do murder anymore

John 8:11
“She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”

Jesus Said sin No more. Jesus not say keep sining
If you commit any sin, according to the law your guilty

stop focusing on murder and start focusing on the sins you commit
 
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If you commit any sin, according to the law your guilty

stop focusing on murder and start focusing on the sins you commit
Good point .

No such thing as violating part of the law. Or him giving us a unknown remnant of grace. Anything that does not come by the labor of His love. Christ's faith working in us is sin . He makes the load lighter so we can rest in His labor of love. restoring our souls, repenting our hearts. .

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

We bear witness to the work of his Spirit of faith and not that of our own selves falsely. We are His work of workmanship.
 

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Yes because whosoever believe Will be save and forgiven, don't do murder anymore

John 8:11
“She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”

Jesus Said sin No more. Jesus not say keep sining
should he have said" go sin some more it will make things better"? Wasnt adultery the issue at hand ? Don't make more of the verses than they say .
 

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If serial killer or serial liar or serial adulterer accept Jesus and repent, die in the next second, he go to heaven.
So one sin makes you un born again , unsealed by the Holy Spirit , unjustified, un sanctified, unbaptised in the Holy Spirit , un predestined to Glorification ect ? and then we repent ( change our minds . And then we become born again , again , sealed by the Holy Spirit again , justifed again , sanctified again , predestined again.
And this happens every time we sin ? we should write every sin down and change our minds about it ? God must be exhausted having to repeat this process everytime everyone sins in thought ,word and deed . After all doubt is sin , things we say were going to do ,but fail to do . Not witnessing, not sharing the good news , hate in our heart . I mean what if we forget one sin un changed our minds about. What if I sin and die before I get a chance ? Or did Jesus already deal with sin on the cross 2000 years ago so that we don't have to go to hell ?
 

Jackson123

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If you commit any sin, according to the law your guilty

stop focusing on murder and start focusing on the sins you commit
I agree, Galatians 5 give list of sin that make us not inherit the kingdom of God, not only murder

So If we commit those sin, we better repent or not inherit

Bible never Lie, If It say Not inherit KD mean not inherit.

Prove our faith in our work.
 

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We need forgiveness I never say we don't need cross. We need cross.

But Jesus forgive only people who believe in Him

We know the tree by It fruit

Killer, stop murder bear fruit of love tell the tree is Jesus and save

Murderer keep murder is like a branch that not bear fruit Will be Cut and burn

I add one more verse now

John 15:6

Gal 5
Ephesians 1:7 "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace." OK this what happened at the cross , THROUGH HIS BLOOD , not by asking for forgiveness. Thats Islam and Catholicism.
 

Jackson123

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So one sin makes you un born again , unsealed by the Holy Spirit , unjustified, un sanctified, unbaptised in the Holy Spirit , un predestined to Glorification ect ? and then we repent ( change our minds . And then we become born again , again , sealed by the Holy Spirit again , justifed again , sanctified again , predestined again.
And this happens every time we sin ? we should write every sin down and change our minds about it ? God must be exhausted having to repeat this process everytime everyone sins in thought ,word and deed . After all doubt is sin , things we say were going to do ,but fail to do . Not witnessing, not sharing the good news , hate in our heart . I mean what if we forget one sin un changed our minds about. What if I sin and die before I get a chance ? Or did Jesus already deal with sin on the cross 2000 years ago so that we don't have to go to hell ?
Base oN Galatians 5 those sin make you not inherit the kingdom of God

All we need is stop murder and repent.
 

Jackson123

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Ephesians 1:7 "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace." OK this what happened at the cross , THROUGH HIS BLOOD , not by asking for forgiveness. Thats Islam and Catholicism.
His blood redemed whosoever believe

Back to Galatians 5

No repent, murder, envying etc not inherit kingdom, mean not save
 

throughfaith

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We not in heaven now my brother.

And Will not If we do Gal 5
Eph 1 3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4¶But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselfs : it is the gift of God:
9NOT OF WORKS , lest any man should boast.